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I dont want to eat yo Pharmz.
    #5454681 - 03/29/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yo everyone.

Well, I got a little dilemma and I was seeing if any of the kind folks around here had words of wisdom pertaining to my situation.

Alright, well I dont know how many of you have got Social ANxiety Disorder, or Bi Polar, or Mania, or a similiar problem, but I do, and its like this weird pressure you feel in your head when youre in big crowds. Whoevers got it can relate. You cant breathe properly and shit, so your mind starts choking.

So because of this I had to leave school and started going to a pychiatrist. I told him my dilemma and he said it could be social anxiety disorder, or slight Mania, but also that he really did not know what my problem was and that he could not classify my dilemma as easyily as he could others.

Anyways, they got my on like 700mg of Seroquel a night. And then 1 prozac pill each morning, and Klonopin to help with anxiety felt throughout the day. Basically, I dont want all these pills in my fucking head.

Has anyone ever discontinued their meds themselves? I just heard Seroquel is a tranq, and thats fucked. Its used as an anti-psychotic.

Ill continue with the klonopin cause i just save those up till i have like 8 - 12 mg worth and eat em, cause their benzos.

I dont know about prozac. I just started it so it hasnt really done anything yet. Anyobne know about this?

Basically, I feel like shit that I have to take a synthetic shit everyday to keep my head straight.

Because i know i can do without them.

I dont know, but I think that having these pharms in my head is not so good, a little to0 unorganic, yaknow what I mean?

I rather practice meditation.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5454711 - 03/29/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone's situation is different with medication like that.
I went cold turkey off mine when I finally had enough, but that was a stupid decision.
If you're going to go off them, consult a doctor, and slowly lower your dosage. If you're not going to consult a doctor research all possible alternatives to medication, and put them to practice.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: Waffle]
    #5454728 - 03/29/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Seroquel doesnt even seem to do anything.

The Klonopin helps quiet the internal dialogue. So I kinda like that.

And the Prozac is an anti depressant and ive only been on it for a week.

I could tell my doctor that I want to come off the meds properly and he would tell me how. I just think its to much synthetic shit in my head. Doesnt feel good. It aint like im that crazy.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5454748 - 03/29/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Medication never felt good for me either, I only stayed on them for my mother, because I'm whipped like that. They hazed up my mind, dulled all my emotion and that jazz.

Asking your doctor is a good idea, make sure he knows your reasoning and all that jazz.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5454782 - 03/29/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i've been on medications for depression and panic/anxiety attacks like yours for 5+ years. less than two weeks ago i got clean and am off everything.

i feel better than i've felt in the past 5 years...

buddy don't get caught up in that, i don't care what people say or think, there are alternatives to pharmaceuticals. staying on seroquel for an extended period of time can cause parkinsins, all you'll do is sleep and feel like a robot. prozac is addictive and probably the most highly prescribed ssri. the withdrawl effects are terrible from anti-depressants - vomiting, vertigo, hallucinations (not pleasurable ones), abdonmal cramps constantly.

don't get caught up in it all. doctors are so quick to slap on a prescription these days. the klonopin is alright, but after a few months it won't even have an affect on you anymore, you're body will build a tolerance so quick to it and you'll be forced to up your dose or get off, but it's not easy to get off and most people just go up and get hooked. benzos are basically a legal form of opium, they're related in many ways.

i won't deny that anti-depresants will help for someone bedridden depressed - usually takes you out of the suicidal state and makes them too much of a zombie to kill themselves. and seroquel may stop your hallucinations (IF YOU'RE HALLUCINATING). to give a kid seroquel because he has anxiety is bullshit.


there is no cure for social anxiety, no pill is going to give you true confidence and things to say. panic attacks can be controlled, the last one i got was in october at a football game - and i was on the highest dose i'd ever been on for drugs helping for panic attacks.

avoid at all costs, especially when you're young like you. you need to develope you're actually personality and not get hooked on pills that create that personality for you. it's natural to go through anxiety in adolescence, try to ride it out - i wish i would have


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: badlydrawnboy]
    #5454841 - 03/29/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Have you thought about staying off the others, and just using klonopin when you feel them comming on?

I think I have similar (but far less severe) symptoms that you do, there has been numerous times I've 'fled' from a mall or a class in a theater because of all the people / pressure in the head / etc / etc / etc.

Its not a major issue for me, and can handle it just on my own pretty much fine. However, I do take Ativan (another kind of benzo) on rare occasion when I cant handle it on my own. Its not super strong, but its fairly fast acting - and normally, I can feel these feelings starting to build - and if I pop one, they'll stop building and I'll feel relaxed and not like such a spaz-case.

and half the time, just knowing that they are around is a big help.
But, regardless of your actions - its best to talk to your doctor about them.

However, I have a friend or two who are on various meds, and typically they said - for the first few weeks, it made them feel like shit, but once your body and mind start to adapt, they begain to feel better.

It may just be a matter of needing to stick with it for awhile. But, if you /really/ want to get off them, best to speak with your doctor and not unqualified people on message boards :smile:


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: kaniz]
    #5454974 - 03/29/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jeez is everyone on this forum fucked up in the head (no offense), It just seems like everytime I click on here someones talking about paxil or prozac or some shit. People get depressed just because you see those damned prescription drug commercials doesn't mean you need that shit.. They need to ban those fucking commericals. I bet alot of people that are on drugs don't even really need them!


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: Linuxman]
    #5456336 - 03/29/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.crazyboards.org/

a great forum for exactly the questions/discussion you want


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5456426 - 03/29/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, like the strongest part of me knows I need to get off these pharmz.

Their fucking with my head yo.
I just am going to come off the seroquel slowly, and stop taking the prozac, and maybe drop some klonopin twice a week. and eat healthy.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5456448 - 03/29/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for the posts you guys can relate :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:

im dropping this synthetic shit.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5456521 - 03/29/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can do it. My brother went cold turkey off of about 3 years of Lithium and Venlafaxine with no and I repeat no bothersome side effects. It just goes to show that some depression is situational. We are with ya natu :sun:


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: Kerr]
    #5456587 - 03/29/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shit thanks for that post man. I can reeeeeeeaaaaallllly fucking feel the weight of 700mg or whatever the fuck I take a day of seroquel on my brain and it is no fucking a good feeling.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5457069 - 03/29/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah that was the worst part for him too, he hated having to rely on meds to get through the day and feel good. No one should have to live like that, stay strong :sun:


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: badlydrawnboy]
    #5457142 - 03/29/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

badlydrawnboy said:
. benzos are basically a legal form of opium, they're related in many ways.





Benzodiazepines are in no way related to opium. They arent even an opiate diravative. They are completely synthetic and work on completely different receptors in your brain.. Please get your information correct before haphazardly tossing potentially dangerous information out on the forum


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: trauma47645]
    #5458614 - 03/30/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

certain benzos probably act like opium.

he just wasnt being as scientific.

All I gotta say is, ANYONE out there taking 700mg of Seroquel, stop that shit.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5458923 - 03/30/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that sucks bro, when i first hit high school i had some problems like that, and a therapist recommended certain prescriptions (can't remember what) but my mom didnt want me on them.  im glad i didnt go on pills, but my anxiety/paranoia hasnt ever really gone away.  smokin weed helps me, but ive gotten to the point now that the best weed i can find only keeps me high for an hour or two. 

its just one of those things you've gotta deal with, be strong and remember its all in your head.  im sure your symptoms are a lot more severe than mine, so my heart goes out to ya.  good luck gettin clean. :thumbup:


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5458938 - 03/30/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks man. I like your sig pic. and the quote is rather intelligent aswell.

it sucks, but im learning aswell so its all good


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5459013 - 03/30/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that quote came from a GA State University professor who survived the Haulocaust. he wrote a book called My Reconstructed Life i had to read for a class. while the book is a pretty painful (boring) read, the man who wrote it can hold your attention all day, and he's 81. he actually came in and lectured my class one day, it was insightful to say the least.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5460045 - 03/30/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thought Id log my withdrawl for anyone interested:

first day - March 30
took 200mg less than usual last night (usual is 700mg). didnt take the prozac pill (20mg) or seroquel this morning. i already am feeling better than ever.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: natu]
    #5536286 - 04/20/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I totally feel you man! When I was younger they had me on all kinds of shit for OCD. Fucked me up. Permanently slowed down my metabolism, stunted my growth and I believe contributed quite a bit to certain other tendencies. Quite that SHIT cold turkey when I was 14 and never looked back. Still have OCD and anxiety, sometimes real bad, but it's a mental thing that I can most usually deal with, no pharmz needed. And if I ever again see the bitch that tested Paxil on me before it was ever authorized to be used on children I'll kill her. Shit fucked me up the worst!


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: EmpTyCLosEtSpAcE]
    #5546020 - 04/23/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

glad to see you decided to give up pharms. they are the worst man. in general, quick fixes are bad.

way too scary to even think about. i'd sooner try cyanide.

seriously, those fucks think people that are sad (depressed) are a problem to the rest (the ones that are too ignorant of everything to feel anything). so to make things simpler they make everyone robots. "depressed people" are just people that feel things too hard. that's all. i'd rather be someone that gets really happy and really sad because it's the relativity that makes it fun.

now the media is all like, "being sad is bad".

TRANQUILIZERS FOR DEPRESSED PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

WOW. just WOW.


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Re: I dont want to eat yo Pharmz. [Re: keefboy]
    #5546221 - 04/23/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Congrats on ridding them meds.

I get panic attacks too, for which I've got a prescription to xanax. But, I've never taken any for the use of ridding a panic attack or anxiety. I've been working on grounding my mind without any meds, with luck. I think having the case of xanax within reach helps ease my mind.

Get yourself off of the benzos as well, is my suggestion. They'll start to not work for you anyway. Keep the pills handy, but only as a placebo. Don't even take them if you feel uneasy. You've got to learn to rid the panic attacks/anxiety naturally, which is what I'm working on, with lots of luck.

Just the other day I was hiking through the woods down by a swampy area. I've got allergies, so I started getting really congested. My old feeling started to take place.. I began feeling like I my throat was closing up and I was suffocating, and started to have a panic attack, which made the breathing even more difficult. But, I recognized the panic attack symptoms and thought how ridiculous this is to freak out about. I started thinking about other things, and soon the panic attack went away completely.. so did the congestion. Which was weird.. made me think that I didn't have any sort of allergic reaction at all, but it was 100% in my head.


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