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uncle_rico
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on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify.
#5453762 - 03/29/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello everyone. This is my first day on this site. I am trying to identify some mushrooms and will attach photos. Habitat was Hawaii, Island of Maui, on a grassy hillside, pasture land, lots of cow dung. Mushrooms growing on older cow dung surrounded by taller grass. The caps ranged in diameter from 3/4" to 1 1/2", overall length ranged from 1 1/2" to maybe 4". Stems were 'woodier' than Cubensis that I was familiar with. Thinner too. Color was buff and white. The photos will be better than my description. Mature mushrooms had dropped spores and the spores were black. Mature mushrooms had dried to a black color. Scent was not unpleasant, actually good, like edible mushrooms. I had been on some websites and thought I had found Copelandia Cyanescens. When picked these mushrooms did not stain blue. (rats!) I still thought they might be Copelandia Cyanescens (maybe not very potent and not bruising blue.?) (Sorry) but I ate approximately 5 mushrooms. No stomach discomfort at all and a pretty good taste. I didn't feel anything for about an hour ..... still didn't feel much but the colors seemed to intensify (saturate)(I thought maybe it was wishful thinking and then later decided, "No, I am definately experiencing something." Very mild.). Went home and watched the Olympics and felt more 'emotional' than usual and the evening colors seemed more intense. But really no body symptoms. I would say 'Level 1'. I had the impression that I was still slightly 'altered' 7 hours after ingestion. I have had experience with invitro cubensis and this was very light compared to what I have experienced before. I read on the internet that people in Hawaii were eating 25 mushrooms which was puzzling as I thought Copelandia Cyanescens were very potent (I also read about people eating only a few and tripping hard). Now I am thinking these may be impotent Copelandias or might not be Copelandias at all. Well... now to the photos ... hope I can figure out how to attach them.
I am having touble attaching them (I wanted to attach them and keep writing, but can't figure it out.) ... so I will wrap the text part of this up and then try to attach 5 images.
Thanks for any help any of you can offer.
Uncle Rico
I see now that I can only attach one image. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.p...ction=viewthumb
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uncle_rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5454105 - 03/29/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Greetings. My second time on this message board. I found and linked to MJ's articles: 'A guide to Hawaiian Mushrooms' and 'Close Encounters of the Panaeolus Kind'. Very informative. But I am still very new to field identification. Figure 6 in the Hawaiian guide looks like some that I collected. (The darker border around the outer edge of the cap looks very similar.) Any help is still appreciated. Thanks, Uncle Rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5454120 - 03/29/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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They do look like and sound consistent with panaeolus, however if they were copelandias you should notice an unmistakable blue bruising. That link that you posted only went to my own photo gallery for some reason. I see that you have shared images though, so I'm guessing that you mean these images in your shared photo gallery: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php?gallery=156903 As for your experience, I don't know, maybe it was a placebo effect - or perhaps your specimens are active to a more minor extent than Copelandias. Either way eating unidentified specimens is not a very good idea! Maybe someone more experienced with panaeolus/copelandia of Hawaii would be of more help, as I've never been there.
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: eris]
#5454440 - 03/29/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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aren't Copelandia Cyanescens more whitish and with a slenderer stem. In your pictures they seem to be a dull yellowish brown with a thicker stem but i'm no expert and neather grow in my area. And the god damn national Audubon field guide has neather of those.
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5457802 - 03/29/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like you might have a mixed bag there. Some of them resemble Panaeolus subbalteatus. Of course, mushrooms of the same species can look very different. Much more detailed information will be necessary if you want to id those (if there are any left). To put pics in a post click "my pics" at the top left hand corner, under each pic there is a box with text, left click to highlight, right click, click copy then paste the text right in your post. That link that led me to my pics really freaked me out
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: Purple_spore]
#5458575 - 03/30/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Copelandia can have both white stems and redish brown stems and a brownish stem as seen in some of the photos at the Mj shroom site. Their caps can also be a yellow brown to pale white to bluish white or even topped with tinges of blue it the caps or thr caps can become pitted and cracked with age.
Most likley you have picked the non hallucinogenic mushroom, Panaeolus antillarum or Panaeolus sphinctrinus, both common on Maui.
Where exactly did you go on Maui to find your shrooms? Hana, Kula highway, Ulapalakua Ranch, Ho'o'Kipa, Makawao, Pukalani, Wailuku/
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uncle_rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: mjshroomer]
#5461836 - 03/30/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Upcountry. Between Kula and Keokea. Mauka (uphill) from the Kula Highway on the flanks of Haleakala.
Rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5462073 - 03/30/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow those zoned caps are purdy. does subbalteatus grow in hawaii or is that another panaeolus?
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uncle_rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: Purple_spore]
#5463291 - 03/31/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have no idea. They looked, to me, like Subbalteatus (as seen in mushroomjohn's guide). I was hoping that he could identify them from my photographs .... I messed-up the link .... 'My chin' in the 3rd post has a proper link to the photos. Whatever they are, they are not particularly active which is a shame because there are tons of them! Rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5463829 - 03/31/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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maybee pan subs if you seing bluing after handling ,especially if in cow dung but without decent pics its hard to identifie unless you got a proper spore print!
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: mightyjoepipe]
#5466238 - 04/01/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aloha! From my experience, those are not the mushroom that you want. They are probably soem kind of panaeolus but you deffinitly want to eat some Copelandias You found these recently? I have been hunting in Haiku where it has been raining for weeks and there is absolutly nothing growing! It blows my mind, there haven't bene any mushrooms growing for months, kind of makes me sad. Maybe its too cold? Maybe its just not my time to be eating mushrooms. Who knows.
Another Mauian on the Shroomery. Haha I probably know you. Maybe one day I will see you in some pasture 
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uncle_rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: Chapter24]
#5467024 - 04/01/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aloha Chapter24 !
Yes, these were collected in March. I went out three times. Right after rains.

 These two photos are what I did in one hour, alone. The third time we did 3x as many ... makes sense, there were three of us. Hey! I learned how to attach images to this post so I will attach the others.

 I don't know why you haven't been finding mushrooms. I am only a few miles away from Kula. You know what they say about the 'many micro-climes' on Maui... I suppose our conditions are a little different.
So anyway .... I can go out and find lots (and have been this past month). Too bad for me I collect are the wrong ones. I do really enjoy getting out and tramping around. 
Aloha,
Rico
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: uncle_rico]
#5467063 - 04/01/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those lasts pics looks like subbs to me(reffering to you saying not picking the right ones)
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: Mead]
#5467387 - 04/01/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is because they are subbs.
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: mjshroomer]
#5467895 - 04/01/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have also found a lot of those ones that look like subbs, but they never bruised blue so I never ate them. Are the subbs active? Even if they don't bruise blue? I just never took the chance of eating a mushroom that I wasn't sure of, but if they are in fact active and there aren't any poisonus ones that look like that then maybe I should start picking those too
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. *DELETED* [Re: Chapter24]
#5467958 - 04/01/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: on cow dung in Hawaii, please help me identify. [Re: Mead]
#5469524 - 04/01/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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LouiseLouise said: Looks like you might have a mixed bag there. Some of them resemble Panaeolus subbalteatus. . Much more detailed information will be necessary if you want to id those
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MeadMadeMe said: Those lasts pics looks like subbs to me
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mjshroomer said: That is because they are subbs.
hey uncle....John was responding to Mead and those two "last pics" as identified subbs........not the first two large piles of mixed up mushrooms although some look they probably are subbs many are not at all visible......please refer to louise above.....god knows what might be lurking in your assemblage in the first two pics......I might possibly see some parts of poisonous mushrooms mixed in there in the middle......although Im not sure.......ARE you ????.....please refer to louise above.....god knows what be might be lurking in that assemblage......and the range of activity with that variety of subbs can range from somewhat strong to "actively" dead (oxymoron?)......from collection to collection......
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