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OfflineDICK
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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: Redstorm]
    #5454820 - 03/29/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not one man will decide the outcome of all others... It will be all united into one voice that decide 'what stays' and 'what goes'. Is it really that hard?

I know we might never agree totally into one thing or another... But by communicating I KNOW we can reach an understanding.

Same thing for the set of standards... We as humans are already born with a conscience... But through life, we often callouse it, so even though we have one, its uneducated. Make sense?

The means of getting there.

Only that, time will tell :smile:

But isnt it worth fighting for?


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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: Redstorm]
    #5454861 - 03/29/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
We just need a government who will allow us to do what we wish, as long as we do not harm others.




Of course...! isnt it just ridiculous how many silly rules there really are out there?

Legislators will only legislate

Here are just some from the state of california and city of los angeles I live in:

It is illegal for a man to beat his wife with a strap wider than 2 inches without her consent.
You cannot bathe two babies in the same tub at the same time.
You may not hunt moths under a street light.
It is illegal to cry on the witness stand.
Toads may not be licked.
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Explanation
The toad that is referenced in this law secretes a poison that some people were licking to produce an effect like heroin to become "high".

I mean, it even sounds like a joke!!

This government is only but one single minded strict parents that wont let their kid play ball outside because they 'can scrape your elbows' they say they mean well for him... but in the end their just smothering him..

The kid well just retaliate in the future.

Thats how rebels are born


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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: DICK]
    #5454869 - 03/29/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats what is messed up about this world. Its all about control.(if anyones seen instinct you know what im talking about.) But the thing is no one has control to start with. its an illiusion. some one might think they have control over you, but whats to stop someone from killing them in their sleep? that means there was no control, or it wouldnt have happend. just like the goverment. they assume they have control over the shit they do, but if that was true, why does it leak out to the public? because they never had control. its an illusion..
this worlds messed up..


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one branch of man turns away what has made us who we are, the other,excepts it for how its made man. which path do you choose?
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Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?


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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: DICK]
    #5454881 - 03/29/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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DICK said:
Not one man will decide the outcome of all others



What of this terrorist/freedom fighter?  Is he not deciding the outcome?

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DICK said:
It will be all united into one voice that decide 'what stays' and 'what goes'. Is it really that hard?



Yes.  Why do you think these thoughts of revolution are in your mind?  It is impossible for all to unite and decide what is right or wrong on all issues.  IMPOSSIBLE.

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DICK said:
I know we might never agree totally into one thing or another... But by communicating I KNOW we can reach an understanding.



What good is an understanding?  Someone will always be plotting to have it their way unless everyone is happy.

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DICK said:
Same thing for the set of standards... We as humans are already born with a conscience...



Source?

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DICK said:
But through life, we often callouse it, so even though we have one, its uneducated. Make sense?



I get what you're saying.

Quote:

DICK said:
The means of getting there.

Only that, time will tell :smile:



Then it is impossible for me to decide if I am with, or against, your leader.

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DICK said:
But isnt it worth fighting for?



We still haven't sufficiently established what "it" is in my opinion.


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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: daimyo]
    #5455099 - 03/29/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"it" in my calloused and subjective opinion, is the ability to live out ones life, without another entity or human being having say in what actions one takes, as long as one does not harm the persons or property of another human being. This means limiting government to a central economic power, and having an enforcer role to the extent of all crimes not consensual. This means if an action that damages ANOTHER persons property is commited, without the consent of said victim, the government takes action only against commiter of crime. If, however, two agree to the destruction of their own persons or peoperty in a socially or perhaps a governmentally recognised contract, no crime is commited. On the same note, if one commits an act of destruction against ones self or property it is consensual with the said individual and not a crime. All crimes of emotional damage are null and void, unless there is physical evidence of the destruction of persons or property.

That is freedom to me. And it takes care of all those rednecck crackhead assholes, they can get together and do whatever they want, as long as they don't destroy persons or property. And then we can trip balls all year long and live on sustainable farms, as long as we don't hurt somebody or their property we don't get in trouble.

How this affects drug sales, any sale is a contract between buyer and seeller, so any bodily harm from said substance was buyers fault, not sellers, thus no crime commited. However, any substance given to said buyer that was not previously agreed upon (baking soda in yer coke) makes the seller commit a crime, if of course damage is incurred.

Another big plus, if you can directly show that big corporation "X" is producing tetrafluorocarbons in the air, and prove he is hurting people or their property, its a crime, bye bye "X".

I have though hard and long on this, and I think this philosophy will stick with me regardless of my political preference or spiritual beliefs throughout my life...meh...

But remember, this is totally idealism, and I am an idiot.

**edited because...well..you know why...


Edited by wery67564 (03/29/06 01:02 PM)


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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: DICK]
    #5456891 - 03/29/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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His/her motive wouldnt be to then become 'president'/dictator and take over the country... his motive would be pure and simple... to bring true freedom to the people who live in this land and to let them shape the country as they, THE people see it right... as a TRUE democracy





There was a big popular movement, particularly around the start of the 20th century to establish a government where everyone was equal. Everyone shared everything, had the same advantages, and nobody dominated one another. Most advocated violently overthrowing the government to establish this wonderful new government.

Of course as soon as the government was overthrown, someone took control, and as with pretty much every single violent overthrow of a government, no matter what the original intentions are, it turns into a horrible dictatorship where all dissenters are killed.

You can't get the entire population of a country to agree on one way to run things. It just doesn't happen. So once you use violence to try and impose YOUR way of doing things, people are going to try to stop you, and many of them will be very well intentioned people, and the only way to take control will be to kill them.

So you're going to be killing off perfectly decent people left and right.

Most people go through a phase where they feel that the way things are run is terrible, and something needs to be done, at any cost to change things. They don't realize that the society we live in may seem shitty, but compared to ANYTHING in the past it is miles ahead.


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OfflineDICK
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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: Phluck]
    #5457506 - 03/29/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

...ive been thinking alot about that... man why cant we humans just agree on one thing all together??

that one thing would be, DONT BOTHER ME PLEASE

i mean, if along as what were doing isnt causing harm of any kind to someone else, does everything else really matter?

we need to learn how to keep ourselves away from everybody else. wars in reality start over the SILLIESTS of things... one of the world wars was started because of the murder of ONE man. Millions die each day and  millions other are born. does anybody give a fuck?

perfect harmony sounds like a thing of fiction...

or hippies

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Re: Down with the system!! [Re: DICK]
    #5457508 - 03/29/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i haven't read anything in this post but yeah, i feel ya. Fuck the system or something!


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