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Pashasan
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Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency?
#5451294 - 03/28/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/7953 found this... anyone tried this
Potentiating is prolly a bad idea if your not the end user, E.G. someone else gets ahold of them and eats a normal dose. But for the small grower who just wants to make for him/her self it seems like it might be a miracle.
If this is common knowledge and everyone Else does it please don't throw pasteurized poo at me
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IGnosticAbhorI
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: Pashasan]
#5451354 - 03/28/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's not common in BASIC cult...
However it is in Advanced...Might want to post it there.
And as far as I know, yes it has been tried. What were the results? No idea to be honest. But they can help you in advanced no doubt.
Take care man

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Pashasan
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#5451383 - 03/28/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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still i mean up from .06% to 3.35 jesus christ taht would be one ever fucking powerfull shroom right there.
pash
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buckallyall
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: Pashasan]
#5451440 - 03/28/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read somewhere on here that it has to do with radiation and its illegal to have in the U.S
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: buckallyall]
#5451481 - 03/28/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroms are illegal in the us..
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buckallyall
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: bongtoke]
#5451503 - 03/28/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes, and the tryptamine.
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Qavl
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: buckallyall]
#5451641 - 03/28/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The tryptamine's just hard to come by.
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ManianFH
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: Qavl]
#5536265 - 04/20/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually it is available through several online chemical distributers =)
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: ManianFH]
#5536278 - 04/20/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read a tek somewhere a while ago where they add quinoa to the substrate because it has a much higher tryptamine content then normal grains... and that trytamine is what the cubes metabolisize into psilocybin. I still have a few bags of it that I'm waiting to experiment with, but I got them at a local health food store.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: buckallyall]
#6585301 - 02/19/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with radiation, and it's not illegal. What are you talking about?
In the experiment, Gartz irradiates the tryptamine in order to determine what proportion of the psilocin comes from the tryptamine he added.
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mycocurious
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: figgusfiddus]
#6585400 - 02/19/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK, so, what would backyard chemists do to locate Tryptamine HCL.
As for Tryptamine being related to potency, it all makes relative sense to me. Tryptophan, the chemical which is found in turkey meat, bananas, etc. is a precursor amino acid to seratonin and melatonin production.
It's all brain candy... but the real question is how do you find and locate a reliable and descrete source for experimentation.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: mycocurious]
#6585446 - 02/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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i get my tryptamine (not sure how to spell it though. lol) at the vitamin cottage, and have experimented with using it, and melatonin as ingredients in casings. the melatonin made the mushrooms smaller and thicker mutantsat about 150mg per 4x8 casing, which is pretty cool if your bored. It also made the trip more intense, but shorter, and i really felt tired at the end every time. The Tryptamine was used at the same rate, and had similar effects (mutations, ect...) but not as bad. The shrooms were soo blue that they were almost black were i cut them! they were stronger too. i dont know how much stronger, but lets say they were less potent than Pan Cyans, but quite a bit more potent than the untreated Cubes.
there could have been tons of variables, but hey, thats how it worked for me.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: shroomsynergy]
#6585601 - 02/19/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try adding kelp... thats all im ganna say.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: MADPANTSDOME]
#6585711 - 02/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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All of this has been discussed ad nauseam in advanced and still there is no consensus. In my experiments with isolated, single sector strains, none of it made a difference. Potency remained the same. I've used tryptamine HCL, triptophans in everything from rye grass seed to seaweed, and melatonin. There was not one bit of difference between those and the control trays in my experiments. No mutants, no increase or decrease in potency.
People using multispore inoculation are going to have potency that's all over the scale anyway, regardless of substrate, or additives.
This thread is nearly a year old. RR
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6586061 - 02/19/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: juggalacious12]
#6588272 - 02/20/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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...ahhh, if what roger is saying is right, then maybe my 'mutations' and potency differences were from the 'inactive ingrediants' in the melatonin pills??? i bet that may be the case, since i deffinatly had some funky monkys when i used that stuff. maybe it was how i used it??? i dont know, but i'm totally convinced that something worked. lol who knows though.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: shroomsynergy]
#6588628 - 02/20/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read that tryptamine is abundant in barley grain. I am sure this has been discussed, but if barley is used as spawn/substrate this should have some effect on the potency of the mushrooms. Right now I am experimenting with organic untreated barley (bought from an animal feed store). It is colonizing pretty fast and I see no reason why it should not work. Don't know if it will affect potency but it sure works in jars.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: geko]
#6589511 - 02/20/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: Blutjager]
#6620176 - 02/28/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a complicated topic--there's nothing dead horse about it, it's just something that needs more study.
The crux of this matter to me is the psilocin/psilocybin distinction. Note that the tryptamine addition increased psilocin dramatically (10-15x) while cutting psilocybin in half or less. Now, these are both actives, but how do they affect the nature of the trip? Is one of them metabolized less quickly than the other (hence duration change), or is one more responsible for certain "parts" of the trip (e.g. visual hallucination as opposed to the shift in thought patterns). Who knows? Not us.
Not yet anyway. That's what makes it exciting.
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Re: Anyone ever tried this adding Tryptamine HCL to increse potency? [Re: figgusfiddus]
#6620204 - 02/28/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is a dead horse and there is not a single shred of evidence that it increased potency at all. Every attempt to duplicate those 'experiments' has failed. It has been discussed, argued about, flamed about, tried, tried, tried and tried again and again by growers with many years of experience, with absolutely no consensus.
A basic rule of science is that an experiment must be able to be duplicated by disinterested parties to be taken seriously. Just grow mushrooms. RR
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