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Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues.
    #5450815 - 03/28/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys,
I've been running my martha for a while with an ultrasonic and coolmist. I have them both come on for ten minutes every hour. My casings have been a liile funky, I've gotten some different results. Some of them have had decent flushes, others have stalled out as pins. I'm looking at the mycellium coming up in a new casing and it looks funky, like thin strands with bulbs on the ends. In the past it has been much more fuzzy.
When I run the coolmist by itself it seems to dry out the casings. Should I try the coke bottle technique to dilute the ultrasonic fog, lower the time on the cycle, try running just the coolmist again?
I'm not sure of the best way about this everyone has their own technique. It does seem that the ultrasonic fog is too thick. Any advice would be stellar. Take 'er easy --


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5451486 - 03/28/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ten minutes every hour seems a bit much. I've seen them run at 10 minutes every 3 hrs.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Magash]
    #5451517 - 03/28/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dont listen to Magash he knows nothing! =)

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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5451623 - 03/28/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Bikerfool said:
Hey guys,
I've been running my martha for a while with an ultrasonic and coolmist. I have them both come on for ten minutes every hour. My casings have been a liile funky, I've gotten some different results. Some of them have had decent flushes, others have stalled out as pins. I'm looking at the mycellium coming up in a new casing and it looks funky, like thin strands with bulbs on the ends. In the past it has been much more fuzzy.
When I run the coolmist by itself it seems to dry out the casings. Should I try the coke bottle technique to dilute the ultrasonic fog, lower the time on the cycle, try running just the coolmist again?
I'm not sure of the best way about this everyone has their own technique. It does seem that the ultrasonic fog is too thick. Any advice would be stellar. Take 'er easy --




HAHA! I had the same problem... the problem is that you cannot get a short increment appliance timer for cheap. What you need to do is run the coolmist for 1-2 minutes every 10-15 minutes. Try finding a timer that does that without spending $300 and having to manually wire things by hand. ARGH! Here is what i did to fix the soggy martha issue......... i had a friend who works for a certain company that makes Instruments and is based in TX *wink* make me a customized appliance timer. IT WORKS GREAT! You plug it straight into an outlet and then plug your coolmist in it. It has two knobs, one is the "ON" timer and the other is the sleep timer. I have my ON timer set to 1.5 minutes and my sleep timer set to 12 minutes. No soggy martha and no saturated casings! He made the prototype for me free of charge, however, he mentioned selling them to shroomers for 50 bucks. PM if anyone is interested. I'll get him to make his presence on here so you guys can do business directly.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: rezin8r]
    #5451678 - 03/28/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. Short cycles is the key. I'm running mine about a minute on, then about six minutes off. The link below will get you a good prewired timer for $120. Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the Cyclestat 4 timer. It's what I've used for two years now and it's still working great. http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls2.shtml
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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5451725 - 03/28/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just run my Coolmist 24/7. Great source of FAE and keeps my Martha at a steady 86%-88% RH, no soggyness. I have the Ultrasonic on a timer though (15 minutes every 3 hours), which I only really use during the pinning cycle to keep the Martha at 95% RH.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Akira]
    #5565552 - 04/28/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Question to Magash and everyone else.

My martha is at a steady 98% with a single coolmist hooked up to it. If I leave the front cover unzipped a little I can get the humidity right where I want it around 95%

Is this a good/safe idea? (considering contams and whatnot)


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: nuk1m]
    #5565798 - 04/28/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

YES . I leave mine un-zipped all the time to lower humidity . The cool mist is forcing air out , so nothig bad will enter.

Screw the US's with a Martha or Green House . I run a single Cool Mist on 2 1/2 hours , off 1/2 hour . Repeat the cycle all day . My Green House stays a constant 94% humidity .

These are the results



You DON"T need a US with a Martha or Green House . My Cool Mist on one of my Green House's burnt up the other day . I didn't replace it for a day or two just to see what it would do . It stayed around 82% with no outside source of humidity and it only had 2 casings in it . Green Houses are made to increase humidity . QUIT making this harder then it is . A cool mist hooked up to a Green House or Martha is all you need . Too much actually . It's more for FAE then humidity . My big Green House , when full , would more then maintain the proper humidity . :thumbup:

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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5566444 - 04/28/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I really love those pictures, HippieChick! Such a gorgeous flush. It makes me get tingles.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5566467 - 04/28/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Blue :grin:

Take some of the credit , learned a LOT from you . :thumbup:

Have 2 LC's going on my stirrer right now :wink:

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Oh , by the way , Home Depot has a new timer out right now . I think it has 24 on/off settings a day . Minimum time on , 1 minute . So you could turn something on for a minute , 24 times a day . I think it runs $30 . :thumbup: Perfect for those using US's.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5566535 - 04/28/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is about time for a 24-event timer to come out! I kept wondering why Intermatic didn't just jump to 24 settings right off. Last one I got was 20 settings for like $15 at Wal-mart, and then Wal-mart stopped carrying them (as usual the stuff they carry gets worse each year). What I'd REALLY like is a repeat timer. You know one you can set for 2 hours off, 1 minute one and it just repeats it. I haven't seen one like that, but that way you wouldn't have to set 24 settings to change your pattern.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5566585 - 04/28/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What I'd REALLY like is a repeat timer. You know one you can set for 2 hours off, 1 minute one and it just repeats it. I haven't seen one like that, but that way you wouldn't have to set 24 settings to change your pattern.




Right here bro. I have two of them and they work wonderful. Scroll down to the bottom of the page to the cyclestat 4 timer. There's also some other neat stuff we use on that page. The pre-wired humidistat is also a winner, but bear in mind, when it gets clogged up with spores it will die a horrible death and need to be replaced. If you use the humidistat, be sure to pick your flushes on time. http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls2.shtml
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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Bikerfool]
    #5567836 - 04/28/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that timer is nice, but the price is too steep for me to justify it. I'd rather just spend the three extra minutes it takes to set the other type.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5600878 - 05/07/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I use 3 humidifier. I have super-badass sealed connections to my martha... (cut a sqaure piece outta tupperware, stick the L pipe connection through the middle (cut), superglue the effin crap outta both  sides, then stick that into the martha with the duct tape hole, then just duct-tape around the squars to make a full seal...

I use a cheap store brand cool mist from Walmart on 24/7

Cheap store-brand walmart Ultrasonic turned about 5-10% on, on 24/7

Ventasonic ultrasonic, each knob about 50-60% up, on 10 min every 2 hours.

Mu humidity remains constantly 87+

Never too much wetness!

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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5601395 - 05/07/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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YES . I leave mine un-zipped all the time to lower humidity . The cool mist is forcing air out , so nothig bad will enter.

Screw the US's with a Martha or Green House . I run a single Cool Mist on 2 1/2 hours , off 1/2 hour . Repeat the cycle all day . My Green House stays a constant 94% humidity .

These are the results



You DON"T need a US with a Martha or Green House . My Cool Mist on one of my Green House's burnt up the other day . I didn't replace it for a day or two just to see what it would do . It stayed around 82% with no outside source of humidity and it only had 2 casings in it . Green Houses are made to increase humidity . QUIT making this harder then it is . A cool mist hooked up to a Green House or Martha is all you need . Too much actually . It's more for FAE then humidity . My big Green House , when full , would more then maintain the proper humidity . :thumbup:

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Don't mean to sound harsh , I'm a little buzzed , lol. :grin:

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Remember not all people have the same environmental conditions US's may be necessary in some cases people this also includes semi filled GH's and Martha's.


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: hyphae]
    #5601709 - 05/07/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My other green house only has one casing in it right now and still stays at 95% with only one cool mist :thumbup:



The ambient humidity is only 33% right now also .

Might include semi-filled marthas, don't know about them , never used one , but not semi filled green houses :grin:

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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: HippieChick] * 1
    #5601772 - 05/07/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe it may be slightly higher than that (47%) just a guess? :wink: But the fact remains not all situations are the same so please don't knock it just be thankful you got it going GF.  :thumbup: very impressive too!


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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: hyphae]
    #5602190 - 05/07/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've found in the very dry months it helps to have a humidifier running 24/7 in the room your greenhouse is in. If you can bring the whole room up a bit, it makes the greenhouse easier to regulate without flooding it.
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Re: Martha Humidity Is Too High!? Casing Issues. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5608241 - 05/09/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, some further tweaking led me to a better solution... less moisture, always 90%+ humidity...

Keeping the cool mist on 24/7
Keeping ultrasonic all the way low coming on for 1 hour 15min, then going off for 30 min, then on for another 1hour 15min, etc.

This has kept me more moisture free with assuring no drops in humidity (i have a record low\high on my humidity gauge, never drops below "HI" which means its 90%+)

Good luck!

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