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mungojerry
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just like a cake right?
#5450221 - 03/28/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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when this is done colonizing can i just hook my cool mist up to it and be done with it? can i dunk it like a cake? I'm not using a casing layer because i had bad some luck last time

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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: mungojerry]
#5450232 - 03/28/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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mungojerry said: when this is done colonizing can i just hook my cool mist up to it and be done with it? can i dunk it like a cake? I'm not using a casing layer because i had bad some luck last time
What happened last time? Did the casing layer get contaminated?
Maybe try a thinner casing layer, or put it on at the last possible moment? I guess one could use wax paper in lieu of a casing layer, but I think that works better with one... *shrugs*
After reading hypahe's pinning strategy a few times, I would think that a great casing layer is truly essential in prolific, even pinning... But yet, alas, my friend has not yet personally involved himself with casings; so, my thoughts are only based in that which I have read here and not in direct experience (which sucks! ). 
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if you have an automated system then you can just plug in and go.
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mungojerry
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: thenewguy05]
#5451821 - 03/28/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well man i didnt incubate my casing last time and it didnt colonize the top layer and after a while everything just died i tried to spray it with water and the water jus sat on top the casing wouldnt absorb it... so ive been scared ever since
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: mungojerry]
#5451973 - 03/28/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the water just sat on top of the casing layer? what kind of casing was thing? casing should soak water right up and if it doesn't then its saturated and more water will invite contams and actually drownd the myc. UNless you have overlay then you casing is esentially gone.
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mungojerry
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: skeletor]
#5452237 - 03/28/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well it was peatmoss/verm/oyster casing i read up on overlay and it said dead cells can collect on top and not allow moisture in
thats pretty much what happened but it failed to colonize(prolly because i didnt incubate)
i put it in the fruiting chamber after i cased and i started to see mycelium pop out then someone told me id loose to much water if i incubated so i took it out and it stopped colonizing and just died...
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Rahz
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: mungojerry]
#5452299 - 03/28/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The difference between a casing, and no casing, is HUGE. You're basically resigning the grow to overlay without a casing.
Here's what I've been doing on the last few grows: Let the sub colonize completley while covered with foil, add casing and continue to incubate. I put the casing on at field capacity. Once I see some mycelium poking through I sterilize a fork. I use the fork to move dirt around and cover up any visible mycelium. The unseen mycelium usually isn't far behind, and there's barely enough casing to cover the visible stuff without uncovering the invisible. This has been consistant, and produces an excellent pinset. Once the dirt is moved around, I mist the whole thing and place it in the FC.
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: Rahz]
#5452327 - 03/28/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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why wouldnt it have the same principles as a cake?
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Rahz
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: mungojerry]
#5452411 - 03/28/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I've only done a couple cakes, and didn't stick with them enough to be knowledgable about them. I do know from pics I've seen that often, most of the shrooms are comming from the bottom where it's resting on wet verm. Also, if cakes were good at retaining moisture, people wouldn't dunk them and roll them in verm.
Going further, cakes are birthed and placed in a FC. When incubating a sub, you're likely to have water dripping onto it which causes overlay. Misting mycelium directly will cause overlay, so misting a non-cased sub is about pointless. That means you're stuck with the original water content.
Non cased subs WILL produce, straw logs are testament to that. But compare the yield of a straw log to a casing of the same size, big difference. This is expecially true on 2nd and subsequent flushes.
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: Rahz]
#5452436 - 03/28/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok u and the pictures ive seen have convinced me to give casing another try it better fucking colonize and fruit properly or im gonna shit
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Rahz
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Re: just like a cake right? [Re: mungojerry]
#5452479 - 03/28/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, casing's not a big deal.
The main reason casing is added after the sub is fully colonized: even pinset. Patience is essential. Once you see white poking through the casing in several places, do the fork thing and you'll get a great pinset.
You don't want to wait until big areas of the casing are showing white. Once you see some white, poke around in the uncolonized area gently with the fork, and you will see how close it all is to surfacing.
Rahz
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