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cupevampe
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about strains
#5450201 - 03/28/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi there, I decided to create this post to ask you something about strains. A few days ago i posted someting about keeper's creepers, and someone told me it is likely KC doesn't exist. I am fine with that, as it seems quite likely. But the again, what about all those strains out there??? Take B+ for example. What kind of strain is it? Still a P. Cubensis, i know. But also definitely different from KC, both while growing and when tested. What do you say? Many thanks
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5450266 - 03/28/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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cupevampe said: Hi there, I decided to create this post to ask you something about strains. A few days ago i posted someting about keeper's creepers, and someone told me it is likely KC doesn't exist.
Is Keeper's Creepers a different name for Creeper? 
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But the again, what about all those strains out there??? Take B+ for example. What kind of strain is it? Still a P. Cubensis, i know.
From what I have gathered, different strains usually come from different locations on our planet, and as growing conditions vary in different areas, small differences are formed. I'm not a mycologist, so I don't know by what mechanism this is caused.
I think it is very similar to that of dogs. Hundreds and hundreds of different breeds of dogs, a huge amount of different traits within each breed, and with every breed existing as a distinct, uniform, consistent breed, but yet the genetics is almost exactly similar. A Norwegian Elkhound is a Canis lupus familiaris, as is a Great Dane, just as a Beagle is a Canis lupus familiaris.
All domestic dogs exist as a subspecies of wolf (Canis lupus), and I'd have to imagine that all the (legitimate ) strains of Psilocybe cubensis exist as distinct subspecies as well (perhaps its just not as documented, or the distinct traits are not as apparent).
*shrugs* 
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cupevampe
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Thanks for your reply. I didn't know there were different kind of creepers... I tought the only one was the keeper's one. As far as I know, the keeper's creeper is a strain made by some guy to make money off it. And probably it is not a new strain at all. If you know about a "creeper" strain, then the keeper's one is just the same, i guess. Now i start to understand thanks very much.
Another question, would it be hypotetically possible to merge to strains to create a new one? or the mutations are just due to the environment?
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5450450 - 03/28/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Roadkill
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5450857 - 03/28/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Keepers Creeper...is also called the Creeper.
The KC is probably just a renamed strain that Shane(The Keeper) renamed to his liking.
He renamed all these strains to his liking...
Tequila Spikes
Veracity Sincerities
Shooting Stars
Sanctuaries
Yin/Yang?s
Oasis
Northern Lights
Hairy Buffaloes
Illusion Weavers
Chimeras
Reality Benders
Blue Meanies (Cubensis) which is complete crap...because there is another species of mushroom that is nicknamed this. real Blue Meanies are Copelandia Cyanescens!~
Nj6
The Star Gazer
Z-Strain
all of these are made up names of other strains...for sure. I remember when he had pictures up with the real names of the strains still in the file name of the picture jpg!~ lolzz
I emailed him and tried to trick him into telling me where the KC was from. I told him I had a new strain of Cubensis that I'd like to trade him for a KC print...he was very interested in making the trade. He told me that the KC was from Jamaica.
But who really knows...or cares!~
tc
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Re: about strains [Re: Roadkill]
#5451132 - 03/28/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck the Keeper(Shane)! Is he still in business??? How is that even possible?? Bastard ripped me off of $100 a couple of years ago. Not a way to have your first spore purchase cherry popped. I was toooo much of an eager gung-ho neewby back then, but now its obvious he took p. cubensis prints from others and remarketed them under flashy strain names. He's an embarrassment to any credible and helpful mushroom business or knowledge source. Beware of him (*The Keeper*) NEEWBS....
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Roadkill
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Birthbytongue said:
Fuck the Keeper(Shane)! Is he still in business??? How is that even possible??
Yeah he is. I heard that he tried to sell his business...not too long ago. But I went and took a look today and he is still there. 
As long as there are newbies that are searching for ways to grow their own mushrooms... there will be a few that fall victum to the Keeper(shane). Plus his ads in High Times magazine really helps him snag the ignorant newbs that don't know any better... the poor bastards!~
tc
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cupevampe
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Re: about strains [Re: Roadkill]
#5451235 - 03/28/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So the spores I have, which out of ignorance i called keeper's creeper, what are they? just creepers? What a mess!
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Re: about strains [Re: Roadkill]
#5451248 - 03/28/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Roadkill said:
Plus his ads in High Times magazine really helps him snag the ignorant newbs that don't know any better... the poor bastards!~
tc
Hahaha... oh man... thats exactly what trapped me in . That damn HT magazine. I should have known since they advertise International Oddities products. I even wrote a complaint letter to the editors afterwards. Luckily, it taught me an invaluable lesson: Always do your homework first! TC and GL you crazy people.
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Roadkill
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5451253 - 03/28/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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they are called Keepers Creeper.
they were called Creeper to shorten the name and to keep Shane from sueing one of the Vendors that was selling them... as Keepers Creeper.
no biggie...most people know the Keepers Creeper = Creeper.
tc
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Birthbytongue
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Well Cupevampe, i think that basically we and you have no idea of knowing EXACTLY what strain you might have. But creeper is a common name. So yes, for future self identification purposes you have creeper. Trust me though, all you need to know is really discovered through repeated grows. If you've got a strain with short incubation time and high potency its a keeper, and you can call it any ol' flashy thing. The name is not important, and unless determined to be a specific subspecies by a trained mycologist(this word is not synonymous with vendor) its probably misidentified. Peace.
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thenewguy05
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well where did you obtain this specimen of creeper???
if you got it from someone like ralph or ryche then it is creeper but if you got it from "the keeper" then it is prolly some random strain and you might as well give up on identifying it.
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cupevampe
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"If you've got a strain with short incubation time and high potency its a keeper"
a creeper, you mean?
Ok I got your point, thanks
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cupevampe
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5451336 - 03/28/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got my "keepers" from azarius.net
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5451342 - 03/28/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, my international friend. Sorry for the confusion. I meant "keeper" as in to keep. Sorry, unintentional pun.
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thenewguy05
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it's a real "creeper" then. i'm glad you didn't get a "keeper creeper" specimen.
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Magash
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PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS
B+ The B+ is a relatively fast colonizer that fruits very easily and produces some large fruits in abundace. A hardy forgiving strain makes this an excellent choice for beginners as it grows easily in a variety of conditions. Colonization temperatures are 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Ecuador The Ecuadorian is an excellent choice for the beginner as this cubensis strain produces some large fruits with nice flushes. The ecuadorian is just a beautiful fruit that will grow easily on most any substrate. This strain has very meaty stalks with beautiful caramel colored caps. Colonization temperatures are 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Thailand Koh-Saumi This cubensis form the Isle of Koh-Saumi produces small to medium fruits with potent effects. This one is a very good resistor of contaminants, a fast colonizer, and is a good choice for beginners. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Puerto Rican The Puerto Rican is known for it's VERY potent effects and extremely rizomorphic mycellium. A fast and aggressive colonizer that produces medium to large fruits. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
PESA The VERY potent PESA produces small to medium fruits. It was originally sold by pacific exotic spora as an azure hybrid, But it is just a really potent cubensis. Also a fast colonizer makes this one a really nice strain. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees. F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Treasure Coast A very prolific fruiter from the gulf coast of southern florida,The Treasure Coast strain of cubensis is known for it's characteristic of producing albino fruits. The Treasure Coast is a very fast colonizer, which produces some beautiful lightly caramel, sometimes almost white or albino fruits. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Mazatapec A hardy classic cubensis strain from deep in southern Mexico. The Mazatapec is sought for it's spirituality from within. An aggressive, rhizomorphic mycellium is another characteristic of this strain. Another good choice for the beginner. The Mazatapec also has the tendency to be an abundant fruiter.Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F is optimal.
Golden Teacher A beuatiful cubensis that is very hardy and produces large fruits especially in later flushes. Thick meaty stalks and dark spotted caps are another characteristic of this strain. Extreme bluing reaction upon any cutting or bruising of the fruit. It's no wonder it carries the name it does. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Tasmanian The Tasmanian strain of cubensis has excellent fruiting ability. The fruits The Tasmanian produces are large with some fruits reaching heights up to 8 inches. The caps on this strain are a light yellow in color. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Acadian Coast This Strain of cubensis from louisiana is an abundant fruiter with extremely rizomorphic mycellium. A prolific pinset is another characteristic of this strain. Fruits are medium to large. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
PES Amazonian A very Prolific fruiter with average fruits reaching over six inches. A good choice for beginners, the mycellium is very rizomorphic, and it is also a fast colonizer. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Huautla Psilocybe cubensis Huautla recently collected from southern Mexico in the Oaxaca region, close to the village Huautla de jiminez. It has long skinny stalks, and conic to hemispheric caps. An abundant fruiter with fruits from six to ten inches. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Cambodian An excellent strain from Angkor wat, the Cambodian is a very fast colonizer producing beautiful fruits. For a cubensis the Cambodian is thought to be very potent. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Plantasia Mystery A beautiful strain of cubensis with average size fruits. Colonization speed is average for a cubensis. This one is worth exploring it's mystery. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees is optimal.
Gulf Coast From the eastern coastal region of Florida, the Gulf coast strain of cubensis is very potent. An abundant fruiter the gulf coast strain has average to large fruits. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees F. is optimal.
Panama This one from Panama is an excelent cubensis. Potent as well as an abundant fruiter makes this one a nice choice for any collection. The panamanian is sure to please. Colonization temperatures 84/86 degrees F. Fruiting temperatures 74/78 degrees is optimal.
***Things I Noticed*** The Creeper strain seems to be missing, and I was under the impression that PESA and PES Amazonian was the same strain....am I wrong???
So lets have an overview shall we:
FAST COLONIZERS: B+ Thailand Koh-Saumi Cambodian PESA Treasure Coast Mazatepec PES Amazonian
ABUNDANT & PROLIFIC FRUITERS: B+ Equador Huaulta PES Amazonian Mazatepec Cambodian Gulf Coast Golden Teacher Acadian Coast Tasmanian
HIGHER POTENCY: Puerto Rican PESA Cambodian Gulf Coast Panama
AVERAGE: Plantasia Mystery
Creeper are fast colonizers, abundant fruiters, and Potent
Copy of one of my old posts
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fireworks_god
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I came acrossed his site the other day, advertised at break.com. I wanted to flame his guestbook, but the link didn't actually go to a guestbook. 
 Peace.
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cupevampe
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Re: about strains [Re: Magash]
#5451530 - 03/28/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So Golden Teacher are difficult?
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Re: about strains [Re: cupevampe]
#5451543 - 03/28/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'd recomend some GT's; great hardy beginner strain in my opinion. Fast colinization too... sounds like Magash has his shit more together though. THANKS MAGASH... your post is now in my favorites!
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