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InvisibleveggieM

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Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes
    #5449511 - 03/27/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes
March 27, 2006 - theage.com.au

Smoking three cannabis joints will cause you to inhale the same amount of toxic chemicals as a whole packet of cigarettes, according to research published in France today.

Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide, the French National Consumers' Institute concluded in research published in the April edition of its monthly magazine.

The institute tested regular Marlboro cigarettes alongside 280 specially rolled joints of cannabis leaves and resin in an artificial smoking machine.

The tests examined the content of the smoke for tar and carbon monoxide, as well as for the toxic chemicals nicotine, benzene and toluene.

"Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide than tobacco smoke," the institute's magazine "60 million consumers" said.

Someone smoking a joint of cannabis resin rolled with tobacco will inhale twice the amount of benzene and three times as much toluene as if they were smoking a regular cigarette, the study said.

Smokers of pure cannabis leaves will also inhale more of these chemicals than from a normal cigarette, though the amount varies depending on the quantities.

"Smoking three joints every day -- which is becoming frequent -- makes you run the same risks of cancer or cardio-vascular diseases as smoking a packet of cigarettes," the magazine said.

Cannabis is "by far" the most popular illicit drug in France, it said. The number of cigarette smokers and people drinking alcohol fell in 2005, while the number of cannabis users has increased in France over the past five years.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: veggie]
    #5449553 - 03/27/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. Didn't they just release a study that said cannabis did not cause lung cancer? Is this contradictory?


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5449563 - 03/27/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

haha sorry I dont believe the French on this one, they like smoking cigs way too much..


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: veggie]
    #5449949 - 03/28/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Since they didn't bother to include any sources, allow me:

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Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports:

TOBACCO-----340,000 to 450,000
MARIJUANA---0





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U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist.




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On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known.




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In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."




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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: Seuss]
    #5450381 - 03/28/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sure, you may be inhailing more tar (i find myself coughing more from ganj then cigs), and carbon monoxide is bad for you. but nicotine is worse, and addictive. and the negative effects from it suck. you can smoke 20 bowls and be fine, but if u smoked 20 bowls of tobacco youd be DEAD.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5450393 - 03/28/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

were they filtered joints? I doubt it
were they filtered cigs.? I bet they were


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: scribble]
    #5450445 - 03/28/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Who the hell smokes cannabis leaves anyways?


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: scribble]
    #5450490 - 03/28/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

these kinds of studies are stupid. thanks for the info scientist-guy... i was unaware that inhaling smoke was harmful.  :smirk:


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: veggie]
    #5450543 - 03/28/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

...and i think it's kindof disturbing that so many cannabis smokers go into defensive mode when something like this comes out, and start preaching the weed gospel about the harmlessness of their favorite plant...

it's a bad point to argue on. hippy, smoking your sacred plant is not harmless, but it doesn't matter... don't try to argue that cannabis smoke is harmless, because you'll lose, and implicit in this defense is a concession to the idea that the harm it may cause actually matters and might be valid grounds for prohibition. it's not. that's what you should be arguing.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: veggie]
    #5450997 - 03/28/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have a couple problems with this study.
One: those ciggarette testing machines dont cover the small holes in the filter which your fingers cover when you smoke, this allows them to achieve lower toxicity results, A joint doesnt have those holes.

Two:
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veggie said:

cannabis resin rolled with tobacco will inhale twice the amount of benzene and three times as much toluene as if they were smoking a regular cigarette, the study said.



Of course, smoking an unfiltered ciggarette will have more tar than a filtered one, whether it contains hash or not. Now if they tested a handrolled tobbacco cig next to one with hash, that would be different, but they said they used a marlboro, which has a filter.

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Smokers of pure cannabis leaves will also inhale more of these chemicals than from a normal cigarette, though the amount varies depending on the quantities.




They dont give specific amounts here, also some of these chemicals may be in the rolling paper to help it burn evenly, that compounded with the fact that the joint isn't filtered allows them to achieve these test results.

It's obvious to me that this is another of those politicly motivated studies, rather than one done for pure reaserch purpouses.
For an accurate test, to see which is more toxic, they should filter the smoke the same way for the tobacco and the cannabis, they should also eliminate the paper in a seperate test and compare results.
I'm sure this has been done before.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: TheWay]
    #5454008 - 03/29/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What a pointless study. They keep doing these types of study - pitching an unflitered joint against a filtered cigarette.

Though any of us could have told them the outcome of such a 'study', the important point is that, unlike tobacco, cannabis doesn't cause cancer. Everything else is kind of academic, but it doesn't stop them releasing dishonest research like this, because they know they can't find anything really harmful.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: wilshire]
    #5454053 - 03/29/06 06:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wilshire... nobody is saying that inhaling smoke is a good thing... regardless of the substance, inhaling smoke is going to be hard on the body. However, the "research" done was 100% bogus, inaccurate, non-scientific, and right out misleading. Imagine a study that compares drivers using a cell phone with drivers not using a cell phone... but neglected to mention that the drivers using the cell phone were also blindfolded... the "research" presented above is just as biased. It isn't the results of the research I have an issue with... it is the unethical use of intentionally inaccurate research that gives me pause. Ask yourself, if the stuff is so bad, why do they have to lie in order to
prove their point?

When we get right down to it, nothing we put in our body is harmless. I can die from drinking too much water. Even the air I breath is full of harmful pollutants. If we are going to start outlawing things for being harmful, we might as well outlaw life and be done with it.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: veggie]
    #5454568 - 03/29/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, those jackasses over in France have obviously never heard of a vaporizer.

Hey, France, STFU and go back to what you do best: sucking ass and wearing berets.


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Re: Study: Cannabis more toxic than cigarettes [Re: DNKYD]
    #5455269 - 03/29/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

to say marijuana smoke contains a significantly greater ammount of toxic substance than tobacco is highly misleading and does NOT mean marijuana is more toxic.

marijuana may have more tar and carbon monoxide. and this would greatly outweigh all the toxic chemicals in ciggaresstes BY MASS. But that is simply due to combustion. vaporized or eaten, those substances are mearly trace.

You cannot eat tobbacco the same way however, its so toxic you will probably die.

Tobacco also contains smaller ammounts of much more lethal chemicals not found in marijuana (even when smoked) and when compared by wieght. one might be mislead to beleive that marijuana is more toxic. when in fact it is less toxic in measure of actual harm caused.

That and ciggarettes are more addictive. and nicotine causes changes in the body that lead to overall poorer health. such as poor circulation and hypertension, not to mention emotional disorders associated with withdraw.
Ciggarette smoke causes the lungs to instantly become less effective in oxygen absorbtion.
pot, does the opposite. which can lead to a greater and deeper absorbtion of harmful chemicals. but still, this isn't a problem with vaporized and ingested material.

I very seldom partake anyway, simply because being high is not greatly enjoyable to me in my day-to-day activities.

But I WOULD enjoy knowing that if I wanted to, I could do so legally, safely, and affordably.

Immagine a world where people were free to decide for themselves what to put in themselves. Prohibition is OBVIOUSLY supportive to organized crime. As long as criminals have a scource of high-profit, they will take advantage of that. and the criminally minded may not be as benevolent as the "Hippy"

Seriously, what's with the hippy bashing? where does that hate come from? That need to deride others who beleive in living their own way and being respectful; What's with it?
Make you feel cool that you are better or something?
Feel you gotta advertize your place on the social pecking-order?

Yeah, smoking weed isn't harmless. neither is breathing water. Yet people advocate saving our lakes and rivers so that future generations can enjoy them, Even though thousands drown in wetlands evry year. Are advocates of enjoying what nature provides and protecting the ability to enjoy it really so wrong?

If pot was legalized, it would be easy to grow your own supply or purchase it cheaply from your local chain vendor.
Organized crime simply wouldn't be able to compete with the low pices of industrial agriculture and good folks wouldnt have to associate with them and be exposed to more harmful and addictive substances. Hemp could be used as just about evrything, including fuel, which we will soon need.

WAY less money wasted on law enforcement and corrections.

We already live in an addiction-based economy. I think it's time we got a little more reward from that simple fact, and have it be more responsably managed.

obvious arguments, and already well represented, yet largely ignored and discredited by the illusion that opposition to such reform is somehow affluent. A lie that far too many insecure people fall for.


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