Home | Community | Message Board

Magic Mushrooms Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Wild Ipomea exctract
    #5449221 - 03/27/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i collected a bunch of 'wild' MG seeds from gardens etc.
and i want to do an extraction to see whats in there.

if i get anything at all, is there any chance im getting something thats not LSA?
does any1 know of any poisenous stuff in wild, or any ipomea plants?


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTinkal
Green Thumb
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 257
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5449897 - 03/28/06 03:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd suggest throwing your experiment away. There is a slight chance these wild ipomeas could have LSA.


--------------------
Ask me about my seed collection and trading!

"Of all the things I love the most, my mind is what I miss the most"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5449913 - 03/28/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well i dont realy care about yield or anything, im just satisfying my curiosity...

but can i run into anything dangerous from unknown strains of ipomea?


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejben
Don't panic, it's organic
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 931
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5450134 - 03/28/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wild ones could be toxic. I have a sweet link of the different species:

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=IPOMO

I won't do all the research for you but this should help identify what kinds you found. From that, you can identify, then research them individually. I hope this helps, it was the best link i could find.


--------------------
Don't panic, it's organic!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejben
Don't panic, it's organic
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 931
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: jben]
    #5450158 - 03/28/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here are a list of toxic plants in texas:


http://www.surgery.uthscsa.edu/stpc/plants-k-o.asp a few Ipomoea are toxic.

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/plantbio/1995-July/007398.html This one is weird?

http://www.nsis.org/garden/family/morning_glory.html morning glories found wild in florida, however it says none of these are toxic? yet in texas moonflowers are toxic? with all of this flimsy data, i would be careful if you plan on testing your extract.


--------------------
Don't panic, it's organic!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: jben]
    #5450178 - 03/28/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ahh moonflower is datura, very dangerous.
but ipomea is not related to that, strange to see the reference to ipomea there...

ipomea has pharbitin, does any1 know if that solluble in acetone?
is that the nauseating thing of the MG seed?


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegiz
daydreamer
Male

Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: EU
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5450187 - 03/28/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually moonflower is also common to call Ipomoea spp ie. Ipomoea alba and Ipomoea noctiflora.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5450194 - 03/28/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mmm well im not sure how to id mine since i dont have a lice sample.

they are commen weeds here though, they have a well erned rep for being a nightmare once they get in your hedge...


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleshroomydan
exshroomerite
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/04/04
Posts: 4,126
Loc: In the woods
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5450411 - 03/28/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What you are describing sounds like Bindweed (Convolvulus sepium). These wild 'morning glories' contain no LSA, but the roots have been used as a laxative.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTinkal
Green Thumb
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 257
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: shroomydan]
    #5450547 - 03/28/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Bindweed seeds actually have some LSA in them too, but only about 1/3 to 1/2 the LSA of the domesticated Morning Glory. Farmers hate both of them, for their vines can choke off other plants. BTW, they are related to the sweet potatos, but they are not related to the nightshade type potatos.


--------------------
Ask me about my seed collection and trading!

"Of all the things I love the most, my mind is what I miss the most"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Tinkal]
    #5453567 - 03/28/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mmm a 3rd would be a good yield imo.
the thing is these things act as 'hardy' here.
meaning the winter doesent kill the roots or seeds or whatever
and i can guerilla farm these things 1000X as much as i can grow
regular MG in my house and the gardens of avery1 know who has one...

i could turn the neigborhood into a LSA factory :P


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTinkal
Green Thumb
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 257
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454011 - 03/29/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes, but you could use HBWR or Ololiuqui instead!
A little more diffucult but way much better.
This year I am starting 4 HBWR and my Ololiuqui goes to the second year!
In my opinion, growing 10 ololiuquis in your neighborhood would be the BEST idea!


--------------------
Ask me about my seed collection and trading!

"Of all the things I love the most, my mind is what I miss the most"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454027 - 03/29/06 05:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

u think that would work in my climate?
im in zone 8...


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegiz
daydreamer
Male

Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: EU
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454063 - 03/29/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think neither rivea or hbwr will do too well in your garden in netherland, hbwr beeing close to impossible for you to grow outdoors and rivea will not give you too much seeds allthough it might grow just fine in your garden otherwise.. morning glories is a far better choice for a garden in netherland. With morning glories you have the best bet for the highest yield of LSA outdoors. I dont concider any of these three plants to be suitable to grow indoors but I have a rivea and hbwr in my plant room but they have never flowered yet (3-4 year old plants) I havent really tried to flower them either. As for the other vines with small amounts of LSA they are simply not worth it because they have more of the crap that will give you stomach pains and stuff like that. Extration process is more difficult due to presence of other unwanted chemicals, allthough none of them concideret to be highly toxic as far as I know (so eating them will probably not kill you just gives you a trip with more discomfort)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: giz]
    #5454075 - 03/29/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well with this batch im doing an acetone wash and then an alcohol extraction, that should get rid of most of the nasty stuff...


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegiz
daydreamer
Male

Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: EU
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454085 - 03/29/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dont replace NP solvents with acetone. pet ether or xylenewill do a far better job at washing the seeds. Acetone will give you an emulsion.

and after wash:
Extract with ethanol/methanol
evaporate solvent
re-dissolve residue in distilled H20
Bassify to PH 8.5
Extract 3x w/ DCM

this will give you a much cleaner end result.


Edited by giz (03/29/06 07:40 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454095 - 03/29/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ehh im kinda new at this and im not sure what i have access to.

im a noob working with coffee filters and whiskey glasses here :P
(incidently the same glasses that served as jars in my fisr shrooming ventures)

can you explain the emulsion thing?
are you saying the acetone adds stuff?

also how about zippo fuel for washing? i know i can get that.

oh and whats DCM?


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegiz
daydreamer
Male

Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: EU
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5454157 - 03/29/06 08:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

emulusion doesnt add anything in the process, here is the wikipedia entry for it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsion

DCM:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloromethane 

The process is really not that difficult as it may seems and the solvents used isnt difficult to obtain. , im in a hurry now but i can explain it later or you can read the mother of all LSA extraction threads here, I hae found all my info for LSA extraction here mostly:

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001154&p=

zippofluid is naphta based fluid , i have been very sceptic to using this solvent
1) because of possible impurities in the lighter fluid,
2) because naptha is poorly non polar solvent to begin with

but I have not really looked much into zippofluid as solvent so others may answer that for you better,
:smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVertigo6911
Entheobotanist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1,834
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: giz]
    #5455031 - 03/29/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so this emulsion makes it so not 100% of the bad stuff can be flushed out?

though it may be easy to find these chems in the US, believe when i say it isnt here.
ill have a hard enuff time finding a hardware store employee who even knows wtf id be talking about...


--------------------
-Know ye not that ye are gods?-
My homepage


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegiz
daydreamer
Male

Registered: 02/08/06
Posts: 651
Loc: EU
Re: Wild Ipomea exctract [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5455281 - 03/29/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

so this emulsion makes it so not 100% of the bad stuff can be flushed out?




simply put, yes.

and as for gettin hold of chemicals, you might want to search\ask on this message board http://www.chemieforum.nl where you can hold of various solvents, they will know. . i belive that DCM is produced in netherland btw.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Opium exctraction from dehydrated pods. How afoaf did it. Rudiger420 5,228 7 12/17/05 01:33 PM
by Rudiger420
* IPOMEA SEEDS AIRDOG 988 1 10/05/11 05:02 PM
by cc2
* Wild Morning Glory found (i think) PICS!! paddo 1,673 3 07/05/02 02:03 PM
by nugsarenice
* No seeds on ipomea purpurea? Acaterpillar 1,082 10 01/03/08 02:24 AM
by Acaterpillar
* 3 leafed ipomea Vertigo6911 505 3 04/03/05 12:14 PM
by Hooty
* Wild lettuce opium mikl 2,788 9 06/12/05 09:24 PM
by mrjim202000
* Wild Dagga extraction Monkeh 9,196 9 07/23/17 02:47 PM
by JizzMasterZero
* Wild poppies galore!!
( 1 2 all )
esin 6,111 30 06/10/05 05:47 AM
by Vertigo6911

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Mostly_Harmless, A.k.a
3,133 topic views. 1 members, 8 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 16 queries.