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Rahz
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Going to grow Reishi, advice needed
#5445211 - 03/26/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've ordered spores, and I've also ordered Stamets book. I already have The Mushroom Cultivator, and while it provides a wealth of info, I note that when it came to cubensis substrates, it can't hold a candle to the info found here at the shroomery.
I imagine that it will be the same with reishi, and the subs listed will be the ones commonly used in the commercial business. I know a general formula is beech chips with some bran or grass seed added. Are there others? Anyone experimented with various subs for growing reishi?
Also, what's the contam potential with reishi/wood chips?
Final question... for now Cubensis is generally considered easy, Reishi is considered moderately hard. Why is this? Less variation in temp/humidity or something else?
Rahz
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MycoshackC
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5445363 - 03/26/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oak is your best bet, and reishi's require darker enviroments. I'll look for some more info for ya!
Here is something to get you going....
http://www.canited.com/reishi97d-10.htm
Edited by MycoshackC (03/26/06 09:36 PM)
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GnuBobo
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5445411 - 03/26/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Rahz said: I've ordered spores, and I've also ordered Stamets book. I already have The Mushroom Cultivator, and while it provides a wealth of info, I note that when it came to cubensis substrates, it can't hold a candle to the info found here at the shroomery.
I imagine that it will be the same with reishi, and the subs listed will be the ones commonly used in the commercial business. I know a general formula is beech chips with some bran or grass seed added. Are there others? Anyone experimented with various subs for growing reishi?
Also, what's the contam potential with reishi/wood chips?
Final question... for now Cubensis is generally considered easy, Reishi is considered moderately hard. Why is this? Less variation in temp/humidity or something else?
Rahz
Cubies are pretty easy to grow, but reishi mycelium is just tenacious. It's freakin' hardcore. I am having problems with my antlers stalling out.
WHY MUST THE ANTLERS STALL OUT INTO STUBS!!??
Is that temp? Humidity?
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: GnuBobo]
#5445430 - 03/26/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could be both, whats your lighting like?
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: MycoshackC]
#5445442 - 03/26/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lighting is not optimal, I'd guess. I don't understand the recommendations from GGMM in terms of how much light reishi needs for fruiting.
Humidity can definitely be upped, as can temp, I'm just wondering what the hell is better. I'm thinking it's temp, as I've had some odd jar-growth antler stubbies appearing lately. Dunno.
I'm working under sub-fucking-optimal conditions, dude.
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: GnuBobo]
#5446160 - 03/27/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Growing Reishi on sterilized hardwood sawdust/chips substrate and getting them to pin is not very difficult. The difficult part is getting them to form conks like GnuBobo said.
I have success with growing Reishi on sterilized beech sawdust (60%), beech chips (30%) and wheat bran (10%) wit a water content of 60%.
See: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post3944469
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Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Owl]
#5447773 - 03/27/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the links, good bits of info like pieces of a puzzle 
Regarding the difficulty of conk formation, I understand a lot of the medicinal value is found in the spores. Is this the main benefit of conk formation, would reishi that didn't form conks still have medicinal value?
Rahz
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5451908 - 03/28/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Rahz, check out this reishi grown by zeronio . Burying sawdust blocks outside is good way to get really nice looking reishi.
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Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5452633 - 03/28/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh, yea I've been reading about that. I'd like to do something similar to this: REISHI 
So, can this be done indoors? Enough air circulation, and possibly an air purifyer in the room?
Even though it's only sawdust, it would basically be an exposed layer of uncolonized substrate... scarey. But possible?
Rahz
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5453049 - 03/28/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's a lot of reishi. I don't know if that could be done indoors.
Looks possible and scary.
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mattymonkey
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5454900 - 03/29/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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that is indoors.. just in an environment created specificially for growing mushrooms, not an extra bedroom..
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: mattymonkey]
#5456536 - 03/29/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes it's indoors, the shelter looks portable. I was wondering about this today, whether they move the shelter after a grow and set up in another spot for the next grow. Or do they use the same spot, with new logs.
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5462141 - 03/30/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some great links there. I would love to grow some reishi someday. Question. If growing from spores, is it possible to do it with a spore syringe to inoculate either sterilised grains or woodchips? Or does one have to put the spores onto an agar plate and then use a wedge of that?
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: zee_werp]
#5470800 - 04/02/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi zee_werp,
Question. If growing from spores, is it possible to do it with a spore syringe to inoculate either sterilised grains or woodchips?
I don't know. It might work with wood chips if you simmered them in potato broth with a little dextrose and yeast added, sort of like using cardboard instead of agar. I don't know if anyone has tried this yet. Are you thinking about trying this?
Or does one have to put the spores onto an agar plate and then use a wedge of that?
This is way or from a clone of a fruit body is the way most people do it.
~falcon
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5473540 - 04/03/06 04:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tips.
OK so if one was to put spores onto an agar plate and then use a wedge of that for inoculation, what are the chances of it being a fruiting strain? Highly likely? Or is it a bit hit-and-miss?
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Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: zee_werp]
#5474765 - 04/03/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reishi spawn can be cultured by syringe inoculation via hardwood sawdust or whole grains. I've been finding some info here at The Shroomery and at Mycotopia.
My spores have arrived!!! I'm still awaiting the book I ordered. Although I could probably learn to grow reishi without the book, I'm hopeing it has a lot of useful info. Other than the stamets book and one or two others, there's not a lot of reading material out there on reishi cultivation. Ancient Chinese secret I guess.
Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5481075 - 04/04/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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add 10% oatmeal and 3% dextrose and a knife tip of lime and gypsum to the sawdust.. peace siam



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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Thai_connection]
#5485395 - 04/06/06 02:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice reishi!! I can't wait to grow me some!
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: zee_werp]
#5488935 - 04/07/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am new this stuff - but saw dust blocks - what else is in there that may not be good to end up eating ? What holds the blocks together ? I hope not glue ? Ack - thanks !
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: liatris]
#5489079 - 04/07/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I bought some reishi from purelingzhi.com AWESESOME far more potent than any other Reishi I have tried, tried three other kinds which are good but dont really compare.
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Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Mirth]
#5490878 - 04/07/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What's it like? I've read it borders on being a "drug", as in you feel rather good after drinking a cup. I'm more intrested in it's long term effects, but I'm still curious as to what it's like.
How big a variance is there between brands? How big is the variance between mature caps, and just "antlers"? One reason I ask is that I plan on fruiting invitro for a couple months while waiting for the casing to flush. Invitro fruits can be harvested within a month of inoculation. They look all bloated, and I can't tell if anything resembling a cap forms, but I'll be consuming that until I get proper fruits.
Rahz
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5495944 - 04/09/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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First time I drank reishi - had a very strong cup of high quality tea, I felt like I was being cleansed and wondered why I would wear unclean clothes (my clothes were old stinky and the sort) I felt after three doses over three days that crap had been cleaned from by brain after clogging there for years . I love it .
Advice - dont eat proccessed sugar and do eat vitamin C with the Reishi that'll make it work better .
Yes different brands are very different.Ganoderma lucidum isnt always reishi although is practically always sold as such.Native american Ganoderma Lucidum normally has a white underside whereas chinese Reishi has a yellow(very yellow) underside, chinese say that the more yellow the better. So just research alot first.
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5497115 - 04/09/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about giving these a shot when I get free time this summer. Is it possible to start these from a liquid culture to either sawdust/logs or is agar the only seemingly feasable method?
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: demiu5]
#5497411 - 04/09/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi demius, Thai_connection has some hints in this thread, Reishi liquid culture, I haven't grown it this way, though I will do it this coming fall if I collect a good print.
-falcon
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5497446 - 04/09/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome, I didn't even think to look since this thread seemed alive and busy at the time.
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falcon


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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: liatris]
#5497462 - 04/09/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey liatris, the sawdust blocks are sterilized in bags. The bags hold them together until they are colonized and ready to fruit. Once they are ready to fruit the mycelium hold the blocks together, Reishi mycelium is very tough and leather like as it ages. The reishi fruits grow out of and away from the sawdust blocks. The blocks are usually supplemented with some sort of grain and gypsum.
-falcon
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liatris
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: falcon]
#5498786 - 04/10/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Falcon !
Thanks for the info ! I am new to all this but really want to buy reishi before I learn to grow it(because I do not want to wait to take it). I will do a lot of enquiring of prospective sellers. I guess the safest way is always to do it yourself. Among other things, I am trying to help my liver with it - not add to any burden of toxins that I understand mushrooms pick up into their tissues very readily. When I get more time, I am planning on posting a very interesting account of really beneficial reishi experience I have heard of recently form a new friend. Thanks again.
Liatris
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Re: Going to grow Reishi, advice needed [Re: Rahz]
#5541991 - 04/21/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Will this help?
I haven't tried my hand at reishi yet, though I plan to fairly soon. I'm going to get my feet wet with eaiser strains first, so I apologize for the lack of any first-hand advice.
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