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Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS!
    #5445158 - 03/26/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heres my idea. I have a TIT setup and a 55 gallon rubbermaid fruiting chamber. The plan is to run a pump from the TiT through some hosing into the FC. That way you could controll the temp inside the FC by adjusting the TIT heating tempature. It would be fine as long as you go from incubating to fruting. Otherwise obviously adjusting the temp of your incubator is not that great of an idea =)! heres a shitty drawing I drew in about 5 mins, but it will help you get an idea about what im saying.
Post your comments. Im going to post my new FC pics in a little while here as well.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5445191 - 03/26/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you where going to go that route. It would probably be best to pump the heated water out of something like a heat bomb.

Personally if I needed to heat an FC I would probably just find a way to hook up a coolmist and a warm-mist humidifier and work out the timing so the temp and humidity was right.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: musher_420]
    #5445345 - 03/26/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was looking at this for an Incubator then I realized a electric heated blanket would be cheaper and easier. Would this system be able to heat the substrate to a good temp by placing the lines under casing containers for green house use? It wouldn't be hard the make this a big system.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5445435 - 03/26/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Crack, Im not sure how well plastic tubing would transfer heat to the casing containers. If you used copper pipe then im sure it would work. My idea was just to have the hose running right under the straw/myc matt so the heat is in almost direct contact.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5445634 - 03/26/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I bet copper tubing would heat those Aluminum foil tray things well. I didn't think of using copper.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5445653 - 03/26/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you could run it through a flat radiator. one that was flat and long enough for your needs (they make tons of different sizes). so you'd have it go from your res to your pump to your radiators and back. use like 1/2 inch tubing and make sure your water is 60% water 40% alcohol to combat algae gunking everything up.

Just set them under your casings and it should transfer the heat through the metal fins of the radiator to your casing's. Might be ideal to use metal containers for your casings (i use aluminum tins) for maximum heat transfer.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: LegalizeTodd]
    #5445713 - 03/26/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That would work but last time i checked radiators cost some phat $$$.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: LegalizeTodd]
    #5445792 - 03/27/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is their a certain kind of radiator to use? I really don't know about this, could you enlighten me? Are we talking about a car radiator or ...


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5445922 - 03/27/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ya I'm talking about car radiators or I'm sure you could find some that are for different applications that meet whatever size specifications you need.  ill google some links real fast and see what i can find.

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some radiator place

scroll through that and you'll see some different radiators of different dimensions.  look around I'm sure there are other companies with different prices to.

I got this idea from the practice of water cooling overclocked processors on computers and stuff.  If you have any questions on heat transfer or any type of radiator question www.extremeoverclocking.com has a cooling section in there forums with tons of info.  and I know a good bit of information if you want to just ask me : )


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: LegalizeTodd]
    #5446049 - 03/27/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So as I understand it, water is pumped from the resivior through copper(or whatever) tubes and then the water runs through a radiator back to the resivior. I see that a radiator is cooled with a fan but how would we heat it. Sorry if I completely misunderstood. I just want to know what functionality a radiator would have?


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5446083 - 03/27/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you'd heat the water in the reservoir with an aquarium heater of some sort that way the radiator will be the same temp as the heated water. as the aluminum casing tins touch the (say 85 deg) water it too will rise in temperature. if you can keep the sides of our casing touching the tin at all times you should get a pretty even heat distribution.

You could also hook a fan up to the radiator and keep the room temp at that temperature (if your net loss is = to your net gain in temp).

alcohol conducts heat better than water and kills bacteria thats why you want some in the tubes. but remember its very very very very flammable so diluting is a necessity.

edit - so the functionality for this would really be a way to keep your casings at a constant temp no matter what the air temperature is. also it would probobly heat the container to a certain degree. I have a Martha setup so its a relativly big space im thinking of with a good amount of air exchange.


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: LegalizeTodd]
    #5446156 - 03/27/06 02:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Copper isn't the cheapest material and if someone were to hook up a whole martha with this it would be pricey. What else are some good materials to use that conduct heat well?


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5446178 - 03/27/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well water and metal are your two best bets. also. you want as much surface area as possible to exchange as much heat as possible. you can allways build your own radiator assuming you can weld or sauter and have the correct tools and supplies.

This may be getting in to deep

something else you could do. Have your casing trays sitting in a bath of water/Hydrogen Peroxide at whatever temp you want. to escape possible contam issues or RH issues you could seperate the water from the casings/air just like an incubating tub id imagine; two rubbermaids one in the other with the bottom one having water and an aquarium heater to keep temps set.

but dont think rubbermaids think removable tins (whatever you case in)in a trough. Maybe 3/4 casings per shelf per trough each trough would need either set up a. its own heater) or b. if you want moving water with a resevoir a rubbermaid with a heater and a pump that would pump the water through all of the troughs.

Another thing to think about is what benefit is this going to bring you and is it even worth it?


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Re: Sweet Idea for FC temp control. PICS! [Re: Crackalack]
    #5446179 - 03/27/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heres something I found.

Conductivities vary for material being greatest for metallic solids, lower for nonmetallic solids, very low for liquids, and extremely low for gases. The best ordinary metallic conductors are (in decreasing order) silver, copper, gold, aluminum, beryllium, and tungsten. Diamond beats them all, and graphite beats diamond only if the heat can be forced to conduct in a direction parallel to the crystal layers. The material with the greatest thermal conductivity is a superfluid form of liquid helium called helium II, which only exists at temperatures below 2.17 K. Since it is highly unlikely you will encounter this substance, it is really not worth thinking about except in the fact that it is an exceptional material.

-http://hypertextbook.com/physics/thermal/conduction/

Alluminum tubing is cheaper than copper and readily available.


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