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Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ
    #5444958 - 03/26/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does Copelandia Cysnescens grow in New Zealand in the Summer or the Winter? I'm getting conflicting answers as a lot of people say no Actives grow in New Zealand past Autumn/Winter.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5446275 - 03/27/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Where I live (mediterranean climate) we have dry summers and wet winters, during spring and summer its way too dry for panaeolus mushrooms. They tend to show up when there is a lot of humidity, around autumn before it gets too cold. So unless you live in a sub/tropical area than I doubt you would see copelandia or panaeolus mushrooms fruiting during spring or summer.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5449749 - 03/28/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ive heard of it growing in NZ but no one has ever posted here proving it.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5449770 - 03/28/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I always hear a lot of people around my area finding "Blue Meanies" in paddocks so I'm quite sure they are around here. You could argue some get them confused with wood-chip psilocybes as one young lad pointed out a while back when he referred to a P. Makarorae as a "Blue Meanie" but then again wood-chip psilocybes don't grow in/around dung/cow patties.

I am going to have an educated guess and say they grow around Autumn (Right now) because it's still warmish due to being the few months after summer and there seems to be more rain around this time as it has bin raining constantly for 10 days in my area so far.

Warmish temps + rain = Wet and Humid --- Which as far as I know is what these dung loving psilocybes grow well in.

I have another question - I keep referring to these as Copelandia Cyanescens, is that an old classification? Is the new one Pan. Cyanescens? Or is it a transexual and can be called both?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5449798 - 03/28/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hey there, im in new zealand too, some body gave me this diagram telling me thats what i should look for in this park place looking for blue meanies... is that right??


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #5449815 - 03/28/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That picture looks similar to the "Pouch Fungi" that not many people know about in NZ. People have said this particular fungi can display intense blueing so it's reasonable that these would also be called "Blue Meanies". Which part of NZ do you live in?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5449832 - 03/28/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i live in wellington, and a friend told me to check out this place for them (white ones) and said they are blue meanies and get you prety triped


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5449895 - 03/28/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well Blue Meanies are in New Zealand and so are liberty caps.

One liberty cap was even collected from a lawn in Auckland.

Go to http://www.erowid.org and read Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealand.

There are several woodland species similar to p. subaeruginosa and there are no P. cubensis in New Zealand unless they were grown indoors in someones cellar or atic.

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5452272 - 03/28/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't trust my life with that diagram.
MJShroomer - any chance of finding Cyanescens here in Tasmania
sorry, this isn't NZ, but it's close enough geographically.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: indica]
    #5452397 - 03/28/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The closest distance between Tasmania and New Zealand is nearly 1,700 kilometers. This is slightly more than 1/24th the equatorial circumference of the globe. Might as well say you are geographically close to Brisbane.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: baycafe]
    #5452542 - 03/28/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A liberty cap found in Auckland. That's bloody terrific. Last year I was searching for liberty caps around fields etc. until I read on multiple websites they only seem to grow in the South Island where it is cooler. I live in the Bay of Plenty, which is further south than Auckland so I'll have to keep my eyes open.

As for finding Pan./Cop. Cyanescens I've also read they grow around coastal areas - Does that mean they don't -have- to grow in Cow Shit?

I read Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealand multiple times in the past, it's well done and if you live in those countries you should give it a read.

Does anyone know of any extensive Mushroom Identification books that are up to date and have a huge list of New Zealand mushrooms? I've already got a guide but it's hardly extensive, just covers the most common mushrooms with only one psilocybe listed.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5452844 - 03/28/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No I'm closer to antarctica than Darwin


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #5452862 - 03/28/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That drawing does look like the hallucinogenic NZ Weraroa (pouch fungi) species which is called "Blue Meanies" by the locals. I am pretty sure the species or that it is psilocybin active hasn't been documented in the scientific literature.



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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Workman]
    #5453159 - 03/28/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

oh true, is the pouch fungi hallusinagenic? where abouts can you find it? is it dangerous?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #5453557 - 03/28/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of people say it produces a different trip to the more well-known psilocybes. It does contain psilocybin as evident in the bluing but I wonder if there are other alkaloids that have a synergistic effect on the trip.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5453768 - 03/29/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hey there, i found what i think are the pouch fungi... one pic is of one freshly picked, the other is of bruised blueish ones (crap pictures i used my fone camera) but can any one tell if these are proper ones? picked them in bark not even in a bushy area..


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5453786 - 03/29/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and does anyone know if these are blue meanies
? i picked them also in bark and they dried up, they have like greyish blue caps and black gills and white stems (when there dried)




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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #5453860 - 03/29/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mr_Mushie_12345 You really need a better description than a few photos for a decent ID but I'd have to say those aren't blue meanies. For one, blue meanies don't grow in bark.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: MagicalKnife]
    #5453957 - 03/29/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mr_mushie, mate, those aren't the pouch fungi, they are not even close. Those are coprinus, aka 'inky caps'. Common as hell and 100% useless. They are a fungal equivalent of a weed. And as for your other ones, waaaay off the mark as well, definitley not anything useful and even if they were they are way past their prime.

Please don't go and just pick any mushroom that you find and then post pictures here asking if it's magic...it clutters up the board and is just a general pain in the butt. I mean I am not a mod or anything but just after seeing so many hundreds of these kinds of posts it just gets a little tiring.

I'm all for people asking for IDs if they have obviously already made an effort to research it and ID themselves first. Read the FAQ, read MJ's guide, read last years NZ thread and look at all of the pictures. Then, go and look for mushrooms. If you find any, check to see that they at least roughly fit the description of what you're looking for. Then, take some decent pics, take a spore print, and post up as much of a description as you can give. That is how you will make progress.

And MagicalKnife, yes, copes do have to grow in cow shit. When coastal areas are mentioned, it referrs to dairy farms of the North Island which often come very close to the coast if not right up to the beach.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5458083 - 03/30/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

MJ - your basing that on anecodotes - I highly doubt that Paneaolus cyanescens grows anywhere in New Zealand simply because it isnt a warm and humid environment like that in northern NSW southern QLD.
Maybe up North near Whangarai would be your safest bet. But even then if youd been there i think youd agree that its nothing like the kind of environment where panaeolus cyanescens are found.
From what ive heard the mushroom people talk about as blue meanies in NZ is either a woodlover or a strange qhite blob-like thing that stains blue. I have no idea what that is and the dude who sent me pics disappeared.
I could be wrong - so post some pics and finds and prove it, but dont take stock on books that report Ps.australiana as a seperate species when studies demonstrated in 1993 that it wasnt.

You wont get Panaeolus cyanescens in Tasmania - its way to cold down there. I doubt youd even get cubies which makes me wonder how that strain is supposed to come from there...




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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5458086 - 03/30/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Whoops im behind - that pouch fungi is what im talking about.
That is what id say the reports of panaeolus cyanescens was really on about - interesting fellas.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5458156 - 03/30/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

After asking around, many people who live in New Zealand (North Island) have reported finding Copelandia Cyanescens inside cow paddocks growing on and around cow shit. The fact that any mushroom is growing on that kind of substrate proves NZ can be humid enough when it wants to.

The problem is the average shroomer around here doesn't know the latin names, many have over-used the term "Blue Meanie". Some lads brang in a haul of P. Makarorae + P. Subaeruginosa and called them Blue Meanies. Bloody richards.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5458770 - 03/30/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Blue Meanie,

Copelandia cyanescens is common in New Zealand. Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen has picked both Copes and liberty caps in New Zealand when he was A professor at the U of Auckland. He has collected them on Khomenii beach there before his teaching assignments moved him to Oxfrrd in England.

Copes occur in NZ at these locations. Herbarium deposits at the U of Auckland collaborate the species in the country:
In New Zealand, this species is mainly found on the west coast of the North Island in the New Plymouth area especially in the paddocks near the airport and in the dunes at Khomenii Beach. Also at Whatipu beach near Auckland and some west coast beaches near Wellington (Otaki and Foxton). They tend to occur in the lupin covered zone between pasture and sand.

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5458787 - 03/30/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

WEll I was reposting to blue Meanies comments before he posted his post and this is what happens sometimes we both reply to the wrong post.

\Sorry BM,

have a shroomy day.

AS for thepouch fungi bluing.

It is dangerous to eat a mushroom because one sees bluing in it. Remember there are deadly poisonous shrooms which stain blue and do not have psilocine or psilocybine int hem.

Unless someone has actually done the taxonomy on those pouch fungi and then completed some chemical analysis of the species, no one knowns what is in those shrooms.

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Very dangerous to eat something because ones friends said they are good to consume.

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5460906 - 03/30/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

too bad your' photo's aint better


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5464093 - 03/31/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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AS for thepouch fungi bluing.

It is dangerous to eat a mushroom because one sees bluing in it. Remember there are deadly poisonous shrooms which stain blue and do not have psilocine or psilocybine int hem.

Unless someone has actually done the taxonomy on those pouch fungi and then completed some chemical analysis of the species, no one knowns what is in those shrooms.





I agree that the first consumers of the pouch fungi were taking a risk. But Weraroa species are in the Strophariaceae family and are not likely to be dangerous. From the specimens I've examined combined with anecdotal reports, I'd say the evidence that they are psilocybin active is pretty strong. That doesn't mean I'd eat them just yet, but so far it looks good.


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    #5465572 - 03/31/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #5466764 - 04/01/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone posted any trip reports for these Weraroa pouch fungi? I would be very interested in learning more about these, especially their chemical composition.

Is anyone aware of any non-Basidiomycota fungi that aren't generally known to be toxic that have psilocybin and/or other psycoactive alkaloids in them?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #5469987 - 04/02/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I still reckon its probably something other than copelandia cyanescens but we will have to wait and see.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #8682538 - 07/25/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

what ur pic looks like and your friend described are technically not blue meanies they are a rare pouch fungi 
found only in the north island of nz and even named after nz there full name is Weraroa novae-zelandiae they are phsyco active and if i could i would upload picture for anyone else lucky enuf to live in right area to find any but i cannot get into the right format


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #8682552 - 07/25/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes they are called Weraroa novae-zelandiae found only in the north island of nz quite rare non toxic very phsycoactive quite often mistaken for blue meanies i have a great pic but wrong format to upload


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: djinnman1]
    #8682557 - 07/25/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
    #12878363 - 07/10/10 03:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
    #12878449 - 07/10/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Why the double-post?  Pretty sure those are baby Coprinus or similar.Apparently these were frozen and that is probably ice.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Joie]
    #12878491 - 07/10/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

im new to this forum dont know how to work it properly...my bad! so they aint blue meanies?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
    #12880895 - 07/11/10 01:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

WTF? This thread is moldy.

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im new to this forum dont know how to work it properly...my bad! so they aint blue meanies?




Define "blue meanies". What species are you referring to?


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: German Kahuna]
    #12915774 - 07/18/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Weraroa novae-zelandiae..the locals nicknamed it blue meanies!



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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
    #12915799 - 07/18/10 03:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that's them. That illustrates the problem I have with common names quite nicely. Usually Panaeolus cyanescens are called "Blue Meanies". But then there is a Psilocybe cubensis strain that's been dubbed "Blue Meanies" for marketing purposes. Now you come along saying that you guys call Weraroa novae-zelandiae "Blue Meanies".
So if someone posts something about "Blue Meanies" here it's completely uncertain what they actually mean.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
    #12915825 - 07/18/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Weraroa novae-zelandiae, is a hallucinogenic pouch fungus[1] of New Zealand, it may have been used by the indigenous Tohunga "shaman" of the Iwi (tribe) of New Zealand, though it has not been documented, nor has the use of any psychoactive substances by these people for shamanic purposes.[2] Recent phylogenetic analysis by Moncalvo (2002)[3] and Bridge et al. (2008)[4] has demonstrated the close relationship between the type species W. novae-zelandiae to the hallucinogenic blue-staining group of Psilocybe, particularly Psilocybe subaeruginosa. Furthermore, Borovička et al. (2010) have shown that this species is very close to Psilocybe cyanescens. Therefore, W. novae-zelandiae now appears to be only distantly related to other species of Weraroa and it is classified as Psilocybe weraroa Borov., Oborník & Noordel.



Weraroa novae-zelandiae is psychoactive. Psilocin and psilocybin are the chemical components considered to be responsible for its effects, as with other blue-staining fungus of the Psilocybe species.

Dosages may vary, as alkaloid content can vary, effected by size and age of the fruit. Usually two mature mushrooms are required to produce effects, though threshold dosage, and individual preference and tolerance is a factor. The experience is similar to an LSD trip, though typically more intense, and duration of the effects is approximately six hours, half the duration of a typical LSD trip.

Sometimes called "Blue Meanies", or specifically "Wellington Blue Meanies" - since they differ from cow-dung inhabiting species referred to as "Blue Meanies" also - the mushrooms are picked and eaten fresh, for stronger and more predictable effects, or dried. Active components are water soluble, and degrade in the air, hence drying reduces potency, a "tea" made from a boiled broth may be preferred. The texture and taste of the fruit are considered unpleasant.


Maybe still good to wait for chemical analysis to be done?  looks promising though.


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: German Kahuna]
    #12915918 - 07/18/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Weraroa novae-zelandiae are pure white but when picked the blue bruising pritty much devours the white i guess thats why they call them blue meanies im not to sure. i got grilled for calling these blue meanies but i found out alot since joining this forum i should get the locals on here so that they are clued up more!


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    #12916334 - 07/18/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's great that Jan Borovička has preserved the name Weraroa as the species name for this secotioid form!


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    #12916425 - 07/18/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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It's great that Jan Borovička has preserved the name Weraroa as the species name for this secotioid form!





Yup, treading new water here.


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    #12917839 - 07/18/10 11:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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It's great that Jan Borovička has preserved the name Weraroa as the species name for this secotioid form!






You mean this is now known as Psilocybe weraroa or is the original name of Weraroa novae-zelandiae being retained?


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    #12918032 - 07/19/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, the new name is Psilocybe weraroa, it belongs in section Cyanescens and is closely related to P. subaeruginosa and P. cyanescens.


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