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Zen Peddler


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5458086 - 03/30/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whoops im behind - that pouch fungi is what im talking about. That is what id say the reports of panaeolus cyanescens was really on about - interesting fellas.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5458156 - 03/30/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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After asking around, many people who live in New Zealand (North Island) have reported finding Copelandia Cyanescens inside cow paddocks growing on and around cow shit. The fact that any mushroom is growing on that kind of substrate proves NZ can be humid enough when it wants to.
The problem is the average shroomer around here doesn't know the latin names, many have over-used the term "Blue Meanie". Some lads brang in a haul of P. Makarorae + P. Subaeruginosa and called them Blue Meanies. Bloody richards.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5458770 - 03/30/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Blue Meanie,
Copelandia cyanescens is common in New Zealand. Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen has picked both Copes and liberty caps in New Zealand when he was A professor at the U of Auckland. He has collected them on Khomenii beach there before his teaching assignments moved him to Oxfrrd in England.
Copes occur in NZ at these locations. Herbarium deposits at the U of Auckland collaborate the species in the country: In New Zealand, this species is mainly found on the west coast of the North Island in the New Plymouth area especially in the paddocks near the airport and in the dunes at Khomenii Beach. Also at Whatipu beach near Auckland and some west coast beaches near Wellington (Otaki and Foxton). They tend to occur in the lupin covered zone between pasture and sand.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
#5458787 - 03/30/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WEll I was reposting to blue Meanies comments before he posted his post and this is what happens sometimes we both reply to the wrong post.
\Sorry BM,
have a shroomy day.
AS for thepouch fungi bluing.
It is dangerous to eat a mushroom because one sees bluing in it. Remember there are deadly poisonous shrooms which stain blue and do not have psilocine or psilocybine int hem.
Unless someone has actually done the taxonomy on those pouch fungi and then completed some chemical analysis of the species, no one knowns what is in those shrooms.
mj
Very dangerous to eat something because ones friends said they are good to consume.
Also very foolish of anyone who does
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
#5460906 - 03/30/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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too bad your' photo's aint better
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mjshroomer]
#5464093 - 03/31/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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AS for thepouch fungi bluing.
It is dangerous to eat a mushroom because one sees bluing in it. Remember there are deadly poisonous shrooms which stain blue and do not have psilocine or psilocybine int hem.
Unless someone has actually done the taxonomy on those pouch fungi and then completed some chemical analysis of the species, no one knowns what is in those shrooms.
I agree that the first consumers of the pouch fungi were taking a risk. But Weraroa species are in the Strophariaceae family and are not likely to be dangerous. From the specimens I've examined combined with anecdotal reports, I'd say the evidence that they are psilocybin active is pretty strong. That doesn't mean I'd eat them just yet, but so far it looks good.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Workman]
#5465572 - 03/31/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has anyone posted any trip reports for these Weraroa pouch fungi? I would be very interested in learning more about these, especially their chemical composition.
Is anyone aware of any non-Basidiomycota fungi that aren't generally known to be toxic that have psilocybin and/or other psycoactive alkaloids in them?
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I still reckon its probably something other than copelandia cyanescens but we will have to wait and see.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
#8682538 - 07/25/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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what ur pic looks like and your friend described are technically not blue meanies they are a rare pouch fungi found only in the north island of nz and even named after nz there full name is Weraroa novae-zelandiae they are phsyco active and if i could i would upload picture for anyone else lucky enuf to live in right area to find any but i cannot get into the right format
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Zen Peddler]
#8682552 - 07/25/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes they are called Weraroa novae-zelandiae found only in the north island of nz quite rare non toxic very phsycoactive quite often mistaken for blue meanies i have a great pic but wrong format to upload
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: djinnman1]
#8682557 - 07/25/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: mr_mushie_12345]
#12878363 - 07/10/10 03:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blue Meanies in New Zealand Wellington


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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
#12878449 - 07/10/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why the double-post? Pretty sure those are baby Coprinus or similar.Apparently these were frozen and that is probably ice.
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Blue_Meanie



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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Joie]
#12878491 - 07/10/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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im new to this forum dont know how to work it properly...my bad! so they aint blue meanies?
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
#12880895 - 07/11/10 01:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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WTF? This thread is moldy.
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Blue_Meanie said: im new to this forum dont know how to work it properly...my bad! so they aint blue meanies?
Define "blue meanies". What species are you referring to?
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: German Kahuna]
#12915774 - 07/18/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weraroa novae-zelandiae..the locals nicknamed it blue meanies!
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
#12915799 - 07/18/10 03:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's them. That illustrates the problem I have with common names quite nicely. Usually Panaeolus cyanescens are called "Blue Meanies". But then there is a Psilocybe cubensis strain that's been dubbed "Blue Meanies" for marketing purposes. Now you come along saying that you guys call Weraroa novae-zelandiae "Blue Meanies". So if someone posts something about "Blue Meanies" here it's completely uncertain what they actually mean.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: Blue_Meanie]
#12915825 - 07/18/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weraroa novae-zelandiae, is a hallucinogenic pouch fungus[1] of New Zealand, it may have been used by the indigenous Tohunga "shaman" of the Iwi (tribe) of New Zealand, though it has not been documented, nor has the use of any psychoactive substances by these people for shamanic purposes.[2] Recent phylogenetic analysis by Moncalvo (2002)[3] and Bridge et al. (2008)[4] has demonstrated the close relationship between the type species W. novae-zelandiae to the hallucinogenic blue-staining group of Psilocybe, particularly Psilocybe subaeruginosa. Furthermore, Borovička et al. (2010) have shown that this species is very close to Psilocybe cyanescens. Therefore, W. novae-zelandiae now appears to be only distantly related to other species of Weraroa and it is classified as Psilocybe weraroa Borov., Oborník & Noordel.
Weraroa novae-zelandiae is psychoactive. Psilocin and psilocybin are the chemical components considered to be responsible for its effects, as with other blue-staining fungus of the Psilocybe species.
Dosages may vary, as alkaloid content can vary, effected by size and age of the fruit. Usually two mature mushrooms are required to produce effects, though threshold dosage, and individual preference and tolerance is a factor. The experience is similar to an LSD trip, though typically more intense, and duration of the effects is approximately six hours, half the duration of a typical LSD trip.
Sometimes called "Blue Meanies", or specifically "Wellington Blue Meanies" - since they differ from cow-dung inhabiting species referred to as "Blue Meanies" also - the mushrooms are picked and eaten fresh, for stronger and more predictable effects, or dried. Active components are water soluble, and degrade in the air, hence drying reduces potency, a "tea" made from a boiled broth may be preferred. The texture and taste of the fruit are considered unpleasant.
Maybe still good to wait for chemical analysis to be done? looks promising though.
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Re: Copelandia Cyanescens (Blue Meanies) in NZ [Re: German Kahuna]
#12915918 - 07/18/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weraroa novae-zelandiae are pure white but when picked the blue bruising pritty much devours the white i guess thats why they call them blue meanies im not to sure. i got grilled for calling these blue meanies but i found out alot since joining this forum i should get the locals on here so that they are clued up more!
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