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Foul_Breath
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Hmm......Nuke experiment detected.
#5444846 - 03/26/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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K guys, here's the deal. i like to gather knowledge about biochemistry and it seems that you guys are much smarter than the idiots i have had to deal with (*cough* freevibe *cough*). I was wondering if you could tell me the answer to this question: what do mushrooms use psilocin,etc... for? is it for processing certain chemicals, blocking certain wavelengths of lights, etc...?obviously it contains an evolutionary advantage, otherwise they wouldn't have it. i was wondering if anyone knew that. because it seems to me that you can force-evolve super shrooms if you somehow simulate the conditions that shrooms need to create psilocin, etc...
for example, lets say shrooms use the active ingredients so that they can block UV rays. so, by putting them in a UV ray filled area, they will likely increase production of the psychoactive ingredients, thus making them more potent. eventually their descendants will grow naturally more potent than others that were simply left to grow as they pleased.
kind of like marijuana, and how THC blocks UV (lol incase you didn't know).
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Mezcal
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5444857 - 03/26/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure we can agree it confers an evolutionary advantage by keeping animals who eat it feeling ill and confused... thus acting as a protection mechanism against predation.
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Akira
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5444871 - 03/26/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think this belongs in the advanced mycology section. Definately a question for the vets.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5444895 - 03/26/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i never thought about the psilocybin being protection against predators. i do know the bright colored ones use their colors as a warning to predators though.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: stelthvue]
#5444912 - 03/26/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ever heard of a symbiotic relationship? This is what these mushrooms have formed.
With people.
For thousands of years.
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Mezcal
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5444915 - 03/26/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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To elaborate: animals that are sensitive to the effects of psilocin will likely choose to avoid eating it.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5444920 - 03/26/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry, but psychoactive mushrooms have not been cultivated for thousands of years... Maybe 50... Maybe 100.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5444941 - 03/26/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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snyder said: Sorry, but psychoactive mushrooms have not been cultivated for thousands of years... Maybe 50... Maybe 100.
You should read "Food Of The Gods"
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5444948 - 03/26/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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cultivated for maybe 50 or 100 years but they have grown for 1000s and people always have eaten them clutivated or found naturaly
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Mezcal
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5444950 - 03/26/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My understanding is that McKenna's theory does not say anything about cultivation (which would be the essential component for symbiosis rather than simply consumption), but rather says that proto-man used naturally growing fungus.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5444956 - 03/26/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, he used the cows to get the mushrooms.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5444981 - 03/26/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure psilocin is created to ward off predators, who are presumably smaller than humans. When you are spending your day looking for food you might have a harder time doing so if on a major trip.
EquilibriuM , your theory sounds like some hippe bs. No offense, but I think you are digging too deep with that one.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ke1n]
#5444993 - 03/26/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ke1n said: I am pretty sure psilocin is created to ward off predators, who are presumably smaller than humans. When you are spending your day looking for food you might have a harder time doing so if on a major trip.
EquilibriuM , your theory sounds like some hippe bs. No offense, but I think you are digging too deep with that one.
I think your not digging deep enough. And its not my theory. Seriously its a damn good book. The mushrooms helped us learn and find food and hunt and grow a much more powerful brain then the other animals. Its sacred.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5445083 - 03/26/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well there is an obvious diference in the thinking styles of a human and say, a rabbit. rabbits would freak out bcuase they follow survival insticnts, and we dont.
and also, you cant force-evolve this. youd have to put shrooms in a UV rayplentiful place for hundreds and thousands of years before one of them would accidentally have a gene mutation that would prove to be dominant. pretty cool concept though
i just reread my post and it sounds mean, id ont mean it to be!
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5445189 - 03/26/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It might ward off certaint animals, but I've also read that deer will readily eat them. Now, shrooms make me feel incredibly good, perhaps that's why the deer eat them. By providing large mammals a reason to eat them, they're not only distrubiting spores in an efficient manner, they're getting these animals to mix them in with EXCELLENT substrates. If it weren't for wild and domestic animals, I imagine cubensis would have a rough life. So that's my answer, shrooms get animals high in exchange for their poo.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Rahz]
#5445227 - 03/26/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Reindeer sometimes eat amanita muscaria fruiting bodies. Not sure where you heard about deer eating psilocybes, but please post a source if you've got one.
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Akira
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5445255 - 03/26/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What if psilocin is simply consciousness manifested in matter....?
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Rahz
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
#5445268 - 03/26/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Deer eat a wide variety of mushrooms, many of which are deadly to humans. I don't know if there's info specific to cubensis on the net, but it seems a logical assumption to me. The idea that cubensis would be a poison to animals that can provide optimal growth conditions doesn't seem logical.
Edit: I was refering to reindeer/muscaria in my previous post, but I don't think you'll find articles stating that cubensis is poisonus to mammals... other than humans, which is of course a big sham to "keep us safe".
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Rahz]
#5445272 - 03/26/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are trying to attract us not repel us. Just ask them.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: gogrowgo123]
#5445556 - 03/26/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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gogrowgo123 said: well there is an obvious diference in the thinking styles of a human and say, a rabbit. rabbits would freak out bcuase they follow survival insticnts, and we dont.
and also, you cant force-evolve this. youd have to put shrooms in a UV rayplentiful place for hundreds and thousands of years before one of them would accidentally have a gene mutation that would prove to be dominant. pretty cool concept though
i just reread my post and it sounds mean, id ont mean it to be!
first, I think that veryone still has an instict of survival in addition to the many other aspects of life that drive us to survive.
second, I dont think his theory was based on evolution. The way I understood it, the shrooms will be placed in an environment that forces them to change in a short amount of time, take for instance, a tree. A tree grows different layers for bark during certain seasons, so if you grew a tree in ideal conditions, you could theoretically grow a tree with just one layer of bark (no rings). THEN if this species was continued to be grown like this, it would procede to evolve (which like you said would take a long long ass time)
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: endlesswinter77]
#5445664 - 03/26/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If some mushrooms have evolved to be poisonous to predators(is this even the right word?), then it doesn't seem a far leap to consider that some evolved for the opposite reason. I think it would all hang on the fact of how destructive or benefitial the eating of the mushroom was to it's lifecycle. Nothing 'hippyish' there. If Cube myc grows in an animals digestive tract(I've read this but don't know if it's true) it seems 'wise' (from a survival/adaptation sense of the word) to encourage said animals to eat them. If the spores are just deposited out the ass of an animal into a nice warm, 'pre-prepared' substrate, that seems wise as well. A free meal AND a free house!
I find it less likely that cubes have evolved so that people will eat them. If that was the case, more identifiable coloring would probably increase the chances that they were picked and eaten. People can't smell a wild cube from a half mile away, but if it was bright, they might see it.
Who knows. My $.02
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ke1n]
#5445668 - 03/26/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ke1n said: I am pretty sure psilocin is created to ward off predators, who are presumably smaller than humans. When you are spending your day looking for food you might have a harder time doing so if on a major trip.
EquilibriuM , your theory sounds like some hippe bs. No offense, but I think you are digging too deep with that one.
He was wrong how he said it. I'll try to summarize half a book in one paragraph. Humans started farming cattle and breeding them and the mushrooms began to grow out of the cattle's shit. They ate them, opened their minds, created speech, and its all natural history after that. The mushrooms thrived and lived well in the dung, and humans provided a very convenient place for the mushrooms to grow, hundreds of cow pies right next to each other.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5445691 - 03/26/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think I was wrong how I said it. Symbiotic relationship is a main focus of the book. And if I remember correctly, it was more like... Man finds mushroom. Man likes mushroom. Mushroom helps man think. Man discovers mushrooms grow in cow dung. Man domesticates cow and holds them sacred...
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5446336 - 03/27/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So basically, you're saying that man domesticated cows in order to cultivate psychedelic fungus??? I don't want this to sound like i'm flaming but that really is the most ridiculous thing i've heard all year! Is there a reason that the roman or greek civilisations have no reference to the use of psychedelic fungus?? Or the egyptians for that matter. Furthermore, going even further back, the great south american civilisations pre-dating the aztecs and the myans left no record of ritualistic use of psychedelics, they were too busy sacrificing each other. The earliest record of domesticated cows comes from africa, dated to around 3000BC. There is no concurrent evidence of any dung loving psilocybin mushrooms being present.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Jaicen]
#5446687 - 03/27/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jaicen said: So basically, you're saying that man domesticated cows in order to cultivate psychedelic fungus??? I don't want this to sound like i'm flaming but that really is the most ridiculous thing i've heard all year! Is there a reason that the roman or greek civilisations have no reference to the use of psychedelic fungus?? Or the egyptians for that matter. Furthermore, going even further back, the great south american civilisations pre-dating the aztecs and the myans left no record of ritualistic use of psychedelics, they were too busy sacrificing each other. The earliest record of domesticated cows comes from africa, dated to around 3000BC. There is no concurrent evidence of any dung loving psilocybin mushrooms being present.
LMAO. There are tons of references to it. Your just reading the wrong history books. Don't let them brainwash you like that dude! Wow... Thats just too easy... 
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5446711 - 03/27/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, i'm quite happy to be proven wrong if you'd care to point me to some links. I'd like to see some evidence contaradicting the scientifically determined dating of the domestication of cattle for any use other than food and milk. Until then, I don't think you're gonna be anti-brainwashing anyone. One book does not a fact make.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Jaicen]
#5446749 - 03/27/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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food / milk / mushrooms / clothing / weapons
cattle were indeed a great asset.
As for convincing you, If you want to know the truth you will seek it. Symbols to the mushroom are everywhere and always have been.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5446942 - 03/27/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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psiocin and psilsocybin are both secondary chemicals in the mushroom they dont do anything more than produce it for it effects on other beings.these things are not just an accitdental chemical that was made by the plant that happens to these things to us. as for cattle for mushrooms that is one of the reasons.people began to cultivate catle because of mushrooms is a reasonable idea i think because the mushroom helped man step out of animal consinous and realized that mushrooms grow from the cattle. the mushroom teaches in the way that it grows to it grows in dung useing the waste of animals not destroying. It has been documented that many cultures used mushrooms and even if major cultures didnt use them you have to think about how most cultures now dont. the breaking up of psychedlic cults started along time ago.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5446976 - 03/27/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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and just remember, what you may be thinking of subconsiously as "cultivation" during our times with the uses of pumps and lights and all of this fancy "technology"
thousands and thousands of years ago... maybe letting them grow naturally in a large field in cow poo WAS their way of culitvation.
just with out the technology.
as long as the IDEA is there, the route you take does not matter as long as the end result is the same.
we grow shrooms in labs today, yesterday they grew them in open fields with proper sunlight.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5448387 - 03/27/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Foul_Breath said: obviously it contains an evolutionary advantage kind of like marijuana, and how THC blocks UV (lol incase you didn't know).
Not to say you're absolutely wrong by any means, but you're oversimplifying things to a painful extent.
The only SCIENTIFIC statement you can make about the role of psilocybin is that it: "obviously did not cause enough of an evolutionary disadvantage to cause the plants extinction"
I have no specific education in matters of mushroom evolution, but another possibility could be: "psilocybin is a residual chemical byproduct of the organism's metabolic/reproductive system"
Your marijuana claim makes the same error, although THC may in fact help the plant block UV light, that explanation falls short when trying to explain the 1-1,000,000 times potency variation in different marijuana plants. (There is no way one plant is subjected to anywhere near that much more UV light than another plant.)
Consider the statement: "All humans have pubic hair, this is clearly an evolutionary advantage or else it would not exist"
Clearly erroneous.
Get it?
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5454530 - 03/29/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not that I want to wade into this thread again, since it's pretty ridiculous anyway, but I just thought i'd add another 2c  Humans retained their pubic hair as it did confer an advantage, namely it keeps the genitals clean. It also serves as a warning of anything crawling around down there, ie when you're crouched naked in the woods! Additionally, it's thought that the oil producing sebacious glands on the hair follicles is a major producer of pheremones. It's been proven that the odour of sweat is most unpleasant when it comes from close family members, which it's believed supports the idea that pheremones are involved in attraction. Perhaps a primitive anti-inbreeding device.
Potency variations in strains of cannabis (marijuana is a slang name originating in south america fww)has indeed been linked to uV and environmental factors. There are currently three (another is believed to have been isolated) land races, Indica, Sativa and Ruderalis. Their relative potencya and growing habits are heavily infulenced by their environments. That said, most wild strains have a potency of 5% or less. Anything higher can only be achieved through selective in-breeding.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Jaicen]
#5455276 - 03/29/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your marijuana claim makes the same error, although THC may in fact help the plant block UV light, that explanation falls short when trying to explain the 1-1,000,000 times potency variation in different marijuana plants.
It's your claim that makes an error, dude. THC does possess VERY high UV-B (280-315 nm) absorption properties. Not MAY, but DOES. If you have ever tried growing yourself you would never doubt it, in fact, you would wisely use this knowledge, if you get what I mean. Your 1000000 times potency variation statement is just ridiculous. If you used common sense, you wouldn't even need to educate yourself on boring phytochemistry of cannabis - it would be enough for you to understand that 0,000005% THC content can't even be registered. Well, I admit you might have just been joking, but in this case it is painfully difficult to dig in. As for SCIENTIFIC explanation of the role of psilocybin/psilocyn in magic mushrooms, I will share a secret with you - such has not been elaborated by science so far. Science has no idea why this indole is produced in mushrooms since there is no obvious advantage for the mushroom out of the complex pathway engaged in its synthesis. In this view, McKennas' theory may seem lame to a hard-minded individual, but it's still the best one that currently exists. And it is damn well thought-of, which you would easily understand yourself if you took an effort to read the book. Your own "by-product" theory is childish and confirms you do lack specific education in matters of mushroom evolution. An accidental by-product never engages highly specific and complex synthesis process that does not occur in any other plant, fungi, viral or animal species on the planet. Especially when it supposedly serves no purpose.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5456438 - 03/29/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that psilicin is not a deterrant. As was stated earlier, when a cow or such animal eats the mushroom, it gets high(which i myself enjoy, dont know about the cow). Now i dont know if spores will survive through the stomach, but if they did they are born into a perfect environment to thrive. And even if the spores did not survive, the animal(if it enjoyed the experience) would return to find more. And where cows hang out, they shit, which leaves an enviroment fot the fungus to thrive. just my 2 c though My roomate showed me this book he had a while back. Had some really interesting evolution theories. It said that our brains may have evolved from use of psycidellic substances. For example: some cro-magnon is looking for food and mows back some shrooms, he has no concept of drugs or alteration of conciensous. He starts thinking in these crazy though patterns and after playing around he discovers that a pointy rock cuts better than a dull one. Im sure thats not exactly how it went but you can see what i am gettin at. I dont know about everyone else, but amidst a trip, i am thinking on very different level, i get appafianies, i am on a total paradigm shift. In this same book it talked about a computer programmer. He remained anonymous, along with his very successful company. In the mid 80's during an acid trip he wrote the basic structure of his program on a massive chalk board. He woke up the next day spent a few weeks making it usable, and is now apparently a millionaire(billionaire..?)
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Akira]
#5456525 - 03/29/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Akira said: What if psilocin is simply consciousness manifested in matter....?
What if?
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: doxhevex]
#5458603 - 03/30/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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k well i think that most life on earth has a common starting point, excluding maybe bacteria, viruses, and those silicon based life forms(I think these exist, i remember my bio teach going off).
Whether this was a proto-cell(Ball of lipids with RNA in the middle), or a seed-cell put here by E.T.s, it matter not. The point is that when the evolutionary lines of psilocybian mush and mammals separated maybe there was some sort of proto-dmt\psilocybin molecules present. Dmt is present in alot of things, its used as a neuro transmitter in mammals, maybe psilocybin is used as some sort of hormone or transmitter in mush?
And because our brains are hard wired to use DMT as a neurotransmitter that effects our perception, psilocybin has a effect on our perception
Hmmmmmmmm..... i just thought of this now, i think I'm going to go look up some info on the the use of DMT in non-human organisms.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: shneck]
#5458654 - 03/30/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your marijuana claim makes the same error, although THC may in fact help the plant block UV light, that explanation falls short when trying to explain the 1-1,000,000 times potency variation in different marijuana plants.
It's your claim that makes an error, dude. THC does possess VERY high UV-B (280-315 nm) absorption properties. Not MAY, but DOES. If you have ever tried growing yourself you would never doubt it, in fact, you would wisely use this knowledge, if you get what I mean. Your 1000000 times potency variation statement is just ridiculous. If you used common sense, you wouldn't even need to educate yourself on boring phytochemistry of cannabis - it would be enough for you to understand that 0,000005% THC content can't even be registered. Well, I admit you might have just been joking, but in this case it is painfully difficult to dig in. As for SCIENTIFIC explanation of the role of psilocybin/psilocyn in magic mushrooms, I will share a secret with you - such has not been elaborated by science so far. Science has no idea why this indole is produced in mushrooms since there is no obvious advantage for the mushroom out of the complex pathway engaged in its synthesis. In this view, McKennas' theory may seem lame to a hard-minded individual, but it's still the best one that currently exists. And it is damn well thought-of, which you would easily understand yourself if you took an effort to read the book. Your own "by-product" theory is childish and confirms you do lack specific education in matters of mushroom evolution. An accidental by-product never engages highly specific and complex synthesis process that does not occur in any other plant, fungi, viral or animal species on the planet. Especially when it supposedly serves no purpose.
Get it?
Very clever!!
So what about lawn mower mushrooms? They're perfectly edible and contain trace amounts of psilocybin. I suppose that psilocybin must be there so that... um... yeah ok you'd better to explain it to me, clearly I'm not self assured enough to make up a correct reason, like yourself.
And I'd say the fact that THC has strong absorption properties definitely indicates beyond ANY doubt that there can be no other reason for its existence.
Do you think that 'god' has decided to put absolutely every chemical in every plant there for a specific reason, complex or otherwise?
Your arrogance astounds me.
I say that human wisdom, even in the form of almighty 'science' can not explain the great question 'why?'... and you snap back that what *I* am saying is ignorant and I am uneducated!
At least you gave me a good laugh. Your genius must just be too hard for me to understand.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5459445 - 03/30/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Read your post, re-read it, then re-read again. What did you want to say anyway? In my view, it's just blissfully free of any meaning apart of mocking and offending.
And, BTW, if you don't want to be snapped back at, try not snapping at others in the first place. If you don't understand what I mean, read your original post that I have referred to.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: shneck]
#5460255 - 03/30/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shneck said: Read your post, re-read it, then re-read again. What did you want to say anyway? In my view, it's just blissfully free of any meaning apart of mocking and offending.
And, BTW, if you don't want to be snapped back at, try not snapping at others in the first place. If you don't understand what I mean, read your original post that I have referred to.
My initial post wasn't intended to be arrogant, or mean. Maybe it came off badly.
My tone may have been slightly sarcastic, but it was supposed to be for humor's sake.
It seems to me that a guy came in looking for a decisive answer... to a question as indecisive as evolution... my only message was supposed to be 'there is no right answer, theories are the best we can do'
And if you didn't mean to insult me, then I didn't mean to insult you either.
Peace man.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5460415 - 03/30/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Peace is what we all need. Mine was deliberately kind of harsh and I did mean if not to insult then to provoke you, 'cause I really liked the topic and I am absolutely sure Foul_Breath deserves best attitude - his thread shows curiosity and desire to dig into things, not just another case of "How I can get high for less buck, hey, anyone?" or "Wow, guys, I'm so fucked up, but I want more!". I can't agree with you that he looked for a decisive answer, I rather believe he put forward a challenging question for everyone to express themselves and give their own opinions, which is what forums are actually for.
Mate, I'm absolutely with you on the matter that we all know nothing except that we know nothing. Don't blame me for pretending to be a genius, you're wrong here 'cause I know I'm not and I know it better than anyone. Also, I deeply believe that science cannot and will never be able to explain Universe, the only thing it can do is solving our pressing daily routine issues in a dumbly mechanical way. This is exactly why I stated that science has no explanation as to why shrooms produce psilocybin, and this is why I am so fond of McKennas' brilliant attempt to provide an unorthodox yet VERY logical explanation. Giving advices is sort of a move-tone these days, but I still suggest that you find The Food of Gods and give it a read - even if you disagree with Terence, it can be a great mind aerobics, and an extremely enjoyable one. As for THC, I just know that if I want my babies to be a knockout, I scorch 'em with my expensive lamps to the limit and they respond busily producing as much THC as they can. The causal-consequential relation is absolutely obvious in this case, isn't it? Anyway, the essense is that there is no right answer, and theories indeed are the best we can do.
Peace.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: shneck]
#5460487 - 03/30/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i didn't read anything but the first post. but i think mushrooms have it because they knew humans would be the most likely to eat them, therefore they took the easy way out. create a substance they thought would soob be illegal so that we would create laws to take our freedoms away ect. not only would we not eat them anymore there would be a huge punishment for past crimes on there civilization.
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5460551 - 03/30/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hopefully now that humans arent obsessed with searching for food and warding off tigers, we will settle down our crazy survival instints and our brains will be more accecpting of psychedelics.. i think that is the next evolution for man.. that and plant hair that photosynthesis
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: swampthing]
#5504948 - 04/11/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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just as a final note to kind of wrap up this topic, although i hate to revive old posts lol... thanks for everyone who offered their....theories on why this chemical exists. it's true, my post does seem like a "how do i get fucked up for less" kind of teenage thing, but hey, i'm only human and like my ansestors before me who weren't satisfied with their conditions, i too don't see why i shouldn't try to improve something. ( imagine if only 1 shroom could send you on a lvl 5 lol) well. once again, thanks for the replies.....now to check on my shroom babies to see how they are doing
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5630998 - 05/15/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's kind of silly to think that eating a mushroom would be beneficial for its prolificity... stomach acids, digestive track, etc. - very harmful to the spores / mushroom flesh.
I believe that it makes the most sense to assume that psilocin/etc. are utilized by mushrooms in order to discourage creatures from eating them. After all, mushrooms are very efficient organisms, I think it's more likely to assume that their psychoactive properties are set up to keep us away from them.
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