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OfflineFoul_Breath
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Hmm......Nuke experiment detected.
    #5444846 - 03/26/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

K guys, here's the deal. i like to gather knowledge about biochemistry and it seems that you guys are much smarter than the idiots i have had to deal with (*cough* freevibe *cough*). I was wondering if you could tell me the answer to this question: what do mushrooms use psilocin,etc... for? is it for processing certain chemicals, blocking certain wavelengths of lights, etc...?obviously it contains an evolutionary advantage, otherwise they wouldn't have it. i was wondering if anyone knew that. because it seems to me that you can force-evolve super shrooms if you somehow simulate the conditions that shrooms need to create psilocin, etc...

for example, lets say shrooms use the active ingredients so that they can block UV rays. so, by putting them in a UV ray filled area, they will likely increase production of the psychoactive ingredients, thus making them more potent. eventually their descendants will grow naturally more potent than others that were simply left to grow as they pleased.

kind of like marijuana, and how THC blocks UV (lol incase you didn't know).


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
    #5444857 - 03/26/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure we can agree it confers an evolutionary advantage by keeping animals who eat it feeling ill and confused... thus acting as a protection mechanism against predation.


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OfflineAkira
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5444871 - 03/26/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think this belongs in the advanced mycology section. Definately a question for the vets.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
    #5444895 - 03/26/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i never thought about the psilocybin being protection against predators. i do know the bright colored ones use their colors as a warning to predators though.


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OfflineEquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: stelthvue]
    #5444912 - 03/26/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ever heard of a symbiotic relationship? This is what these mushrooms have formed.

With people.

For thousands of years.


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InvisibleMezcal
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5444915 - 03/26/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

To elaborate: animals that are sensitive to the effects of psilocin will likely choose to avoid eating it.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5444920 - 03/26/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry, but psychoactive mushrooms have not been cultivated for thousands of years... Maybe 50... Maybe 100.


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OfflineEquilibriuM
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5444941 - 03/26/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

snyder said:
Sorry, but psychoactive mushrooms have not been cultivated for thousands of years... Maybe 50... Maybe 100.




You should read "Food Of The Gods"


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OfflineDr_Mcgillicuddy
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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5444948 - 03/26/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

cultivated for maybe 50 or 100 years but they have grown for 1000s and people always have eaten them clutivated or found naturaly


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5444950 - 03/26/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding is that McKenna's theory does not say anything about cultivation (which would be the essential component for symbiosis rather than simply consumption), but rather says that proto-man used naturally growing fungus.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5444956 - 03/26/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no, he used the cows to get the mushrooms.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5444981 - 03/26/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am pretty sure psilocin is created to ward off predators, who are presumably smaller than humans. When you are spending your day looking for food you might have a harder time doing so if on a major trip.

EquilibriuM , your theory sounds like some hippe bs. No offense, but I think you are digging too deep with that one.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: ke1n]
    #5444993 - 03/26/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ke1n said:
I am pretty sure psilocin is created to ward off predators, who are presumably smaller than humans. When you are spending your day looking for food you might have a harder time doing so if on a major trip.

EquilibriuM , your theory sounds like some hippe bs. No offense, but I think you are digging too deep with that one.




I think your not digging deep enough. And its not my theory. Seriously its a damn good book. The mushrooms helped us learn and find food and hunt and grow a much more powerful brain then the other animals.  :mushroom2: Its sacred.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5445083 - 03/26/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well there is an obvious diference in the thinking styles of a human and say, a rabbit. rabbits would freak out bcuase they follow survival insticnts, and we dont.

and also, you cant force-evolve this. youd have to put shrooms in a UV rayplentiful place for hundreds and thousands of years before one of them would accidentally have a gene mutation that would prove to be dominant.
pretty cool concept though

i just reread my post and it sounds mean, id ont mean it to be!


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Foul_Breath]
    #5445189 - 03/26/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It might ward off certaint animals, but I've also read that deer will readily eat them. Now, shrooms make me feel incredibly good, perhaps that's why the deer eat them. By providing large mammals a reason to eat them, they're not only distrubiting spores in an efficient manner, they're getting these animals to mix them in with EXCELLENT substrates. If it weren't for wild and domestic animals, I imagine cubensis would have a rough life. So that's my answer, shrooms get animals high in exchange for their poo.

Rahz


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Rahz]
    #5445227 - 03/26/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Reindeer sometimes eat amanita muscaria fruiting bodies. Not sure where you heard about deer eating psilocybes, but please post a source if you've got one.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5445255 - 03/26/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What if psilocin is simply consciousness manifested in matter....? :smile:


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Mezcal]
    #5445268 - 03/26/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Deer eat a wide variety of mushrooms, many of which are deadly to humans. I don't know if there's info specific to cubensis on the net, but it seems a logical assumption to me. The idea that cubensis would be a poison to animals that can provide optimal growth conditions doesn't seem logical.

Edit: I was refering to reindeer/muscaria in my previous post, but I don't think you'll find articles stating that cubensis is poisonus to mammals... other than humans, which is of course a big sham to "keep us safe".

Rahz


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Edited by Rahz (03/26/06 09:07 PM)


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: Rahz]
    #5445272 - 03/26/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They are trying to attract us not repel us. Just ask them.


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Re: Hmm......Nuke experiment detected. [Re: gogrowgo123]
    #5445556 - 03/26/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

gogrowgo123 said:
well there is an obvious diference in the thinking styles of a human and say, a rabbit. rabbits would freak out bcuase they follow survival insticnts, and we dont.

and also, you cant force-evolve this. youd have to put shrooms in a UV rayplentiful place for hundreds and thousands of years before one of them would accidentally have a gene mutation that would prove to be dominant.
pretty cool concept though

i just reread my post and it sounds mean, id ont mean it to be!


first, I think that veryone still has an instict of survival in addition to the many other aspects of life that drive us to survive.

second, I dont think his theory was based on evolution. The way I understood it, the shrooms will be placed in an environment that forces them to change in a short amount of time, take for instance, a tree. A tree grows different layers for bark during certain seasons, so if you grew a tree in ideal conditions, you could theoretically grow a tree with just one layer of bark (no rings). THEN if this species was continued to be grown like this, it would procede to evolve (which like you said would take a long long ass time)


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