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#5442684 - 03/25/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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anyone into silkscreening? how exactly do you do this? I want to make my own tshirts instead of buying them.
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5443075 - 03/26/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've been looking into this for awhile... seems like you could get a decent setup for around $1000, 500 for the cheapest... there is a site that i was looking at that has videos on it, it's a silk screen supply site, but i dont remember the address.
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thats alot of dough. any non-commerical setup available?
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5443128 - 03/26/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah like why don't you go to a silk screening place and pay them to do it for you?
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5443407 - 03/26/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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We did a cheapo version in highschool that was pretty fun.
First translate your design into stencils, making a separate stencil for each colour in the design. This can be as labour intensive as you want it to to be, depending on the intricacy of your design.
Then take a frame like this (which you can buy at an art supply shop or build yourself):

Lay down the t-shirt (with cardboard between the front and back of the shirt to eliminate bleed-through). Put the stencil on top of the shirt, the screen on top of the stencil. Pour your paint over. Then you take something the width of the inside of your screen, say a squeegie or even a piece of cardboard cut to size, and force the paint through the screen, through the stencil, on onto the tee-shirt! Change out your stencil for each layer of colour you wish to add and viola! You gots yerself a custom printed tee-shirt!
This is the ultra-low tech way. It's fun as hell but can be time consuming and messy. Also depending on the nature of the paints used your design may need special washing to avoid total deterioration.
Another way to go would be to buy a kit from an art supply place. http://www.artsupply.com/headerpages/silkscreen.htm has some cool kits at good prices.
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cool thanks!
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backspace1111111 said: yeah like why don't you go to a silk screening place and pay them to do it for you?
I want to do it all myself and not pay anyone. that's the point of this thread.
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5444034 - 03/26/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I screened this shirt ^^^^ from a design I made on my computer:

nothing beats wearing a super-cool shirt that nobody else has.
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Re: silkscreening [Re: DoctorJ]
#5444041 - 03/26/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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very cool!
how much would you sell one for?
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actually, I lost the screens and it would take a while to make new ones (you have to print the image backwards, trace it onto the screen, then cut it out wth an exacto)
but eventually, I will need to make a new one for myself, because its one of my favorite shirts and its already getting haggard, so when that day comes, I'll let you know.
actually, I've considered setting up a tshirt store on the internet because I have a lot of cool ideas like that one, but if I did that I would have to get them screened en masse from some third party in order to keep production costs low. Also, I'm not sure of the legalities in selling shirts with trademarked logos on them (even if they are modified)
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Re: silkscreening [Re: DoctorJ]
#5444070 - 03/26/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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alright, well let the shroomery know when you have your little business running!
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I screen print shirts sometimes, but am starting to do concert posters for local bands. Hopefully I'll have my site up soon, but in the meantime if you want something done, let me know, we can work something out..
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5444581 - 03/26/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey guys
just had to pipe in here.
Making the screens is easier than all that cutting with an exacto knife....even with text and stuff.
What you do is create your design with whatever digital means you have, and for simplicities sake, make it black and white.
Then when you are satisfied with your image, you print it out, and photocopy it at your local printer or copyshop onto a transparent sheet...
Then get yourself some of this junk. It seems expensive, and it actually is at some places, but most art stores have reasonable prices... It's called photoemulsion:
With this stuff you can make a really clean image without having to cut a stencil at all. It runs about 25 bucks for the bottle and the activator. Once you mix the two, it says it lasts a month or something, but I've used it like 5 months later with success, it just has to stay in the fridge. It lasts a loooong time and will do a bunch of screens.
I've just bought cheap frames and used a staple gun to stretch the polyester screen material over the frame like a canvas. You just have to get it relatively tight and even, and use a half-way decent frame to get good registration and even contact with the shirt/paper/whatever.
Just go to a fabric shop and look for the polyester sheers, I have purchased fine fabric with a pretty high mesh count, although it's not the recommended type of weave or material, for as little as a dollar a yard....experimentation is good, and there are some resources on the net, although i will say that "ghetto" methods aren't expounded upon too much anywhere.
When you've got a good screen and a good mono image on transparency, you set up a lamp of high wattage, like 200 or so, and expose the photoemulsion at close range with the light for 45 mins to an hour, depending on how high the wattage and how close to the screen. You expose it through the transparency so that the part of your image that is black prevents the emulsion from solidifying on the screen underneath. You use a heavy piece of glass to make sure your image is flat on the screen during burning.... When the burn is done, you go to the tub and wash the emulsion away, leaving the burned image in place. Someties gentle scrubbing is necesary, but with practice and a movable shower head or spray nozzle, it's pretty easy to just rinse away the unfixed emulsion.
then when you're done , dry the screen and it's ready for printing....
I'll try to get some pictures of some mushroom shirts and screens i have made soon, and come back to this thread to share.
i know it sounds hard, but in the end you can make hundreds of shirts for almost nothing but the price of the shirt. I have made screens that cost me $2-5 apiece that would print tons of shirts... i still have my first screen, i used this image to make the shirt....
Guess which panel i chose for the shirt? I'm actually wearing the sweatshirt i made right now 
good luck. if i need to clarify something i will. peace
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I'm guessing you used the top right panel
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Konnrade]
#5446883 - 03/27/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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me too
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Re: silkscreening [Re: funkymonk]
#5446894 - 03/27/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow
I want to make my own T-shirts
And I'd say top left
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Re: silkscreening [Re: funkymonk]
#5446898 - 03/27/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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or you can buy special paper for your printer and print your own shit use iron and put t on shirt
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Yeah I thought it was top right too. SOMA! With the photoemulsion you need to use a non-black shirt correct?
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Re: silkscreening [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5446934 - 03/27/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well,
to correct your use of the screen, that is a very bad way of treating a screen (exacto knife). Most art supply centers offer a light sensitive emulsion which allows for a cleaner screen, and the ability to clean your screen after use. Goes something like this:
1. Make screen 2. Apply thin layer of emulsion to both sides, let dry in a DARK place for ten minutes. 3. Using a transparency of desired image, lay on top of screen in desired position. 4. Put glass pane on top of transparency to prevent wiggling and loss of clarity in print. 5. Put into a "light box" or keep under BRIGHT light for 7-10 minutes. 6. Immediately remove glass and transparency hose down image with a medium-high ppressure faucet, this will remove the emulsion only where a dark line on the transpaarency was covering it. 7. let water dry. 8. PRint away, any places where ink won't push through just use a fine needle and GENTLY poke out image.
This is how i've been doing it for a while.
I don't post here a lot, but looks like the nook is shut down fer a while... 
**edited to say im an idiot, i didnt get to the second page because the last post on the first scared me in ways only someone who loves silkscreening can understand, and second i forgot to add, its CHEAP. I recommend not starting out with shirts, but rathe cut up old or "free-pile" clothes and making patches. I have my "patch jacket and always a couple of my prints in my pocket, they make good trades at festivals or even on campus for some chapstick...wow, this edit is long....
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Re: silkscreening [Re: wery67564]
#5446973 - 03/27/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, i really need to read whole fsking threads, but madconductor, no you don't need only black t-shirts. You can use any of a wide variety off colors on your screen, speedball offers a HUGE variety of ink colors madee specifically for screening. Also, for those of you who try this, remember, throw that printed product into the dryer first or iron it so it can heat set before you wash it, other wise you get runny ink and lost designs
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#5447003 - 03/27/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Best screenprinting tutorial ever. This is the best screenprinting tutorial that I found to teach myself how to do it. It's really easy and fun to do. I have a 4-color process printer sitting right beside me.
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hey thanks everyone - great info & links in this thread.
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Hey I never knew you were into screenprinting blissed. I'm just getting into it myself. Thumbs up to you!!!
If you have any screens or a 4 color press you dont want anymore.....
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Re: silkscreening [Re: funkymonk]
#5513042 - 04/13/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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forgot to come back and say...
The third panel... of course,
With the caption : "The third day, the creation of plants..."
Yeah, don't forget to "set" the ink or whatever you use. I bought some kind of extender for the regular inks and mixed it with acrylic paint to make cheaper printing inks, cuz i had buckets of acrylic...it worked fine and the ink has been through tons of wahses. I have done the homemade route from start to finish with three colors - i used three identical sized frames and used dots in the corners for registration. It was somewhat ghetto, but the design took that into account  Yeah, this is a good thread, and, as someone has pointed out, you could just buy the paper to print iron-on stuff, but printing is WAY more fun.....
Did you guys know you can dye cloth with mushrooms? And if you can extract a permanent dye from mushrooms, couldn't you get it concentrated enough to suspend in a clear extender to use as an ink?
Any thoughts? I have wanted to do this for a couple of years, and i was wondering if anyone had... peace
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blissedout said: Best screenprinting tutorial ever. This is the best screenprinting tutorial that I found to teach myself how to do it. It's really easy and fun to do. I have a 4-color process printer sitting right beside me.
Wow digging up old news but his is a great link!
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Yeah, it has helped me alot! Thanks for bumping this back up! I was looking for it the other day and thought it had been deleted.
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I am looking to go out and pick up some supplies and order the rest. Looking for a deal on shirts too. I got so many scans i can play with. I just need to get the emulsion, screens, lumber, and paint. What else would i need? A couple boxes of shirts.
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Yeah, you can look at www.overstock.com for deals on some nice shirts. I have ran across some damn good deals on Fruit of the Loom Beefy T's. Those are some nice and sturdy t-shirts, too!
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#6666913 - 03/13/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know much about silkscreening... but I just buy blank stencils and whip out an Xacto knife.... draw my design, lay the trasparent stencil thing over it, trace, then use fabric paint and a sponge roller. I like that faded, worn texture and the roller sponger works best for that texture.
here's what I did to a boring dress shirt:

for the eyes/nose in the smaller skulls I just laid down my stencil, cut out the circle in masking tape, stuck them on the shirt, then rolled the paint on.
after I did the stencil I just splattered paint.
I have an airbrush kit too, so I could do my own graffiti or whatever. still learning airbrushing though
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Sweet!
Danksis has made a bunch of stencils. She's really good at it, too. Nice work!
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thanks...
I have a lot of gay guy friends and one of them is extremely fairy and he always makes a big production about my stuff. he's like "oh.mi.gah. you're tho talented! what the fuck are you doing working thucky ath telecom?"
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Are those iron on computer printed things shit? or not bad?
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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
#6667003 - 03/13/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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What's the best thing to make stencils out of? This has giving me some good ideas.. I am planning a blue green and teal aqua tye dye, and I would love to custom lay some prints over the already dyed shirt, some more colors... reds and oranges, greens and purple. Worth the time IMO.
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At any craft store or art supplies store in the stencils section the have just blank sheets of that plastic stuff for you to make your own stencils from.
shit they might even be at walmart, I never looked there though
Also, I think a print on top of tye dye is too busy
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So let me get this straight... first you have to 'burn' the fabric, so that it will hold the paint. Then with an 8xx or 10xx screen you apply the paint to the burn and it only sticks on the pre-set pattern and not the rest of the fabric??
I thought that you just made a stencil and then applied the paint to the shirt. Don't they make special paint for fabrics that will hold up to washing? ps- the link is broken
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You don't have to have an expensive set up to do silk screening at all! You've gotten some good help here already, so I won't elaborate too much, but I used to use just a basic frame and some Speedball ink (and I used wax paper for the stencil due to lack of better supplies). It was a lot of fun!
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I am going to my friends class today, to work on the computers. So i can scan and print up my patterns on acetate. This week I am going to get some sheer fabric, and frames. The school will let me use their photo emulsion. They got a 4 station print machine, and a lab for all the cleaning and developing. I should get ready!
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I like the skulls!
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Quote:
SirTokesALittle said: ps- the link is broken
Here's the new one.
Part 1-Constructing screens http://www.barrysfarm.com/?t=page1
Part 2-Applying a Photographic Emulsion to Homemade Silk Screens http://www.barrysfarm.com/?t=page2
Part 3-Silk Screen Printing with Multiple Colors http://www.barrysfarm.com/?t=page3
Also, the iron on images don't last for very long before they fade away.
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