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InvisibleVvellum
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silkscreening
    #5442684 - 03/25/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

anyone into silkscreening? how exactly do you do this? I want to make my own tshirts instead of buying them.


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
    #5443075 - 03/26/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i've been looking into this for awhile... seems like you could get a decent setup for around $1000, 500 for the cheapest... there is a site that i was looking at that has videos on it, it's a silk screen supply site, but i dont remember the address.


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Phychotron]
    #5443092 - 03/26/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thats alot of dough. any non-commerical setup available?


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
    #5443128 - 03/26/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah like why don't you go to a silk screening place and pay them to do it for you?


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
    #5443407 - 03/26/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We did a cheapo version in highschool that was pretty fun.

First translate your design into stencils, making a separate stencil for each colour in the design. This can be as labour intensive as you want it to to be, depending on the intricacy of your design.

Then take a frame like this (which you can buy at an art supply shop or build yourself):



Lay down the t-shirt (with cardboard between the front and back of the shirt to eliminate bleed-through). Put the stencil on top of the shirt, the screen on top of the stencil. Pour your paint over. Then you take something the width of the inside of your screen, say a squeegie or even a piece of cardboard cut to size, and force the paint through the screen, through the stencil, on onto the tee-shirt! Change out your stencil for each layer of colour you wish to add and viola! You gots yerself a custom printed tee-shirt!

This is the ultra-low tech way. It's fun as hell but can be time consuming and messy. Also depending on the nature of the paints used your design may need special washing to avoid total deterioration.

Another way to go would be to buy a kit from an art supply place.
http://www.artsupply.com/headerpages/silkscreen.htm has some cool kits at good prices.


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Re: silkscreening [Re: mrsautoman]
    #5443991 - 03/26/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

cool thanks!


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Re: silkscreening [Re: backspace1111111]
    #5443995 - 03/26/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

backspace1111111 said:
yeah like why don't you go to a silk screening place and pay them to do it for you?




I want to do it all myself and not pay anyone. that's the point of this thread.


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
    #5444034 - 03/26/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



I screened this shirt ^^^^ from a design I made on my computer:




nothing beats wearing a super-cool shirt that nobody else has.


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Re: silkscreening [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5444041 - 03/26/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

very cool!

how much would you sell one for?


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Re: silkscreening [Re: exclusive58]
    #5444050 - 03/26/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

actually, I lost the screens and it would take a while to make new ones (you have to print the image backwards, trace it onto the screen, then cut it out wth an exacto)

but eventually, I will need to make a new one for myself, because its one of my favorite shirts and its already getting haggard, so when that day comes, I'll let you know.

actually, I've considered setting up a tshirt store on the internet because I have a lot of cool ideas like that one, but if I did that I would have to get them screened en masse from some third party in order to keep production costs low. Also, I'm not sure of the legalities in selling shirts with trademarked logos on them (even if they are modified)


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Re: silkscreening [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5444070 - 03/26/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

alright, well let the shroomery know when you have your little business running!


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Re: silkscreening [Re: exclusive58]
    #5444323 - 03/26/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I screen print shirts sometimes, but am starting to do concert posters for local bands. Hopefully I'll have my site up soon, but in the meantime if you want something done, let me know, we can work something out..


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Vvellum]
    #5444581 - 03/26/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys

just had to pipe in here. 

Making the screens is easier than all that cutting with an exacto knife....even with text and stuff.

What you do is create your design with whatever digital means you have, and for simplicities sake, make it black and white.

Then when you are satisfied with your image, you print it out, and photocopy it at your local printer or copyshop onto a transparent sheet...

Then get yourself some of this junk.  It seems expensive, and it actually is at some places, but most art stores have reasonable prices... It's called photoemulsion: 

With this stuff you can make a really clean image without having to cut a stencil at all.  It runs about 25 bucks for the bottle and the activator.  Once you mix the two, it says it lasts a month or something, but I've used it like 5 months later with success, it just has to stay in the fridge.  It lasts a loooong time and will do a bunch of screens.

I've just bought cheap frames and used a staple gun to stretch the polyester screen material over the frame like a canvas.  You just have to get it relatively tight and even, and use a half-way decent frame to get good registration and even contact with the shirt/paper/whatever. 

Just go to a fabric shop and look for the polyester sheers,  I have purchased fine fabric with a pretty high mesh count, although it's not the recommended type of weave or material, for as little as a dollar a yard....experimentation is good, and there are some resources on the net, although i will say that "ghetto" methods aren't expounded upon too much anywhere.

When you've got a good screen and a good mono image on transparency, you set up a lamp of high wattage, like 200 or so, and expose the photoemulsion at close range with the light for 45 mins to an hour, depending on how high the wattage and how close to the screen.  You expose it through the transparency so that the part of your image that is black prevents the emulsion from solidifying on the screen underneath.  You use a heavy piece of glass to make sure your image is flat on the screen during burning....
When the burn is done, you go to the tub and wash the emulsion away, leaving the burned image in place.  Someties gentle scrubbing is necesary, but with practice and a movable shower head or spray nozzle, it's pretty easy to just rinse away the unfixed emulsion.

then when you're done , dry the screen and it's ready for printing....

I'll try to get some pictures of some mushroom shirts and screens i have made soon, and come back to this thread to share.

i know it sounds hard, but in the end you can make hundreds of shirts for almost nothing but the price of the shirt.  I have made screens that cost me $2-5 apiece that would print tons of shirts... i still have my first screen, i used this image to make the shirt....

Guess which panel i chose for the shirt?  I'm actually wearing the sweatshirt i made right now :smile:

good luck.   
if i need to clarify something i will.
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Re: silkscreening [Re: remediator]
    #5444909 - 03/26/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm guessing you used the top right panel


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Re: silkscreening [Re: Konnrade]
    #5446883 - 03/27/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

me too


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Re: silkscreening [Re: funkymonk]
    #5446894 - 03/27/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow

I want to make my own T-shirts

And I'd say top left


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Re: silkscreening [Re: funkymonk]
    #5446898 - 03/27/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

or you can buy special paper for your printer and print your own shit use iron and put t on shirt


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Re: silkscreening [Re: SCOBYSNACKS]
    #5446913 - 03/27/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I thought it was top right too. SOMA! With the photoemulsion you need to use a non-black shirt correct?


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Re: silkscreening [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5446934 - 03/27/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well,

to correct your use of the  screen, that is a very bad way of treating a screen (exacto knife). Most art supply centers offer a light sensitive emulsion which allows for a cleaner screen, and the ability to clean your screen after use. Goes something like this:

1. Make screen
2. Apply thin layer of emulsion to both sides, let dry in a DARK place for ten minutes.
3. Using a transparency of desired image, lay on top of screen in desired position.
4. Put glass pane on top of transparency to prevent wiggling and loss of clarity in print.
5. Put into a "light box" or keep under BRIGHT light for 7-10 minutes.
6. Immediately remove glass and transparency hose down image with a medium-high ppressure faucet, this will remove the emulsion only where a dark line on the transpaarency was covering it.
7. let water dry.
8. PRint away, any places where ink won't push through just use a fine needle and GENTLY poke out image.

This is how i've been doing it for a while.

I don't post here a lot, but looks like the nook is shut down fer a while... :frown:

**edited to say im an idiot, i didnt get to the second page because the last post on the first scared me in ways only someone who loves silkscreening can understand, and second i forgot to add, its CHEAP.
I recommend not starting out with shirts, but rathe cut up old or "free-pile" clothes and making patches. I have my "patch jacket and always a couple of my prints in my pocket, they make good trades at festivals or even on campus for some chapstick...wow, this edit is long....


Edited by wery67564 (03/27/06 10:52 AM)


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Re: silkscreening [Re: wery67564]
    #5446973 - 03/27/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, i really need to read whole fsking threads, but madconductor, no you don't need only black t-shirts. You can use any of a wide variety off colors on your screen, speedball offers a HUGE variety of ink colors madee specifically for screening. Also, for those of you who try this, remember, throw that printed product into the dryer first or iron it so it can heat set before you wash it, other wise you get runny ink and lost designs :frown:


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