Home | Community | Message Board

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
InvisibleMoonshoe
Blue Mantis
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
What is the opposite position to moral relatavism?
    #5441476 - 03/25/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

5 shrooms for the answer to this question:

what is the correct term, in academic philosophy, for the position OPPOSITE moral relatavism, which is the "theory, especially in ethics or aesthetics, that conceptions of truth and moral values are not absolute but are relative to the persons or groups holding them."

realism? universalism? absoluteism? fundamentalism?

what ism is it please ? writing an essay

many thanks
peace

Moonshoe

:heart:


--------------------


Everything I post is fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: What is the opposite position to moral relatavism? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5441488 - 03/25/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Moral absolutism is the position that there are absolute standards against which moral questions can be judged, and that certain actions are right or wrong, regardless of the context of the act.

Moral relativism is a belief that moral truths are relative to social, cultural, historical or personal references, and to situational ethics, which holds that the morality of an act depends on the context of the act.

(courtesy of Wikipedia)


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMoonshoe
Blue Mantis
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
was kant a moral absolutist? and Mill? [Re: dblaney]
    #5441519 - 03/25/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks dbalney , you win the first prize. Now the question is: is kant a moral absolutist? what about mill?

5 shrooms for answers.


--------------------


Everything I post is fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledblaney
Human Being

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
Re: was kant a moral absolutist? and Mill? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5441539 - 03/25/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think Kant would fit easily into either category, he created his own morality called the Categorical Imperative, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant#Kant.27s_moral_philosophy

Don't know a whole lot about Mill.


--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBlueCoyote
Beyond
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
Re: was kant a moral absolutist? and Mill? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5441826 - 03/25/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think Kant leaves both sides, as he states his categoral imperative as an absolute into thin air out of his bare ass.


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleshroomydan
exshroomerite
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/04/04
Posts: 4,126
Loc: In the woods
Re: What is the opposite position to moral relatavism? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5442004 - 03/25/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

One could easily (and correctly I believe) argue that Kant's morality was absolute, in that a categorical imperative is a must do which applies to all members of a category. The category to which Kant's imperative applies is all rational beings. It is therefore absolute for all rational beings, including humans.

In reality, all morality is relative. The morality, ethics, or aesthetics which is called absolute merely implies there there is one thing to which everything else is relative. Hence "absolute morality" is that which is relative to the absolute. The absolute usually implies God, but for Kant, the absolute was the category of rational being, of which God was the foremost, however, God was but one of many rational beings who were legislators in the Kingdom of ends-in-themselves.

If you haven't read the Groundwork for a Metaphysics of Morals, the above may not make sense.

Simplified: Kant's morality is absolute in the sense that it applies universally to all rational beings. Because only rational being are capable of moral action, the category of rational beings encompasses the entirety of the moral universe, so the categorical imperative can be rightly called absolute morality.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEternalCowabunga
Being of Great Significance
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 7,152
Loc: Time and Space
Re: What is the opposite position to moral relatavism? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5444025 - 03/26/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not only is Kant's morality absolute in the sense that it applies universality to all rational beings, but for another reason too. Kant believed that a bad thing to do was always a bad thing to do - for instance, lying. For Kant, lying was ALWAYS wrong even if it would save a life. So yes, I think you could call Kant an absolutist, definitely.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Moral Absolutes
( 1 2 all )
Azmodeus 2,122 21 05/16/03 11:49 AM
by Azmodeus
* can you prove the existence of absolute, objective morality?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )
Anonymous 21,744 157 12/21/04 06:31 AM
by deafpanda
* Do Basic Human Morals Exist
( 1 2 all )
mrfreedom 5,078 24 05/28/02 07:55 AM
by Sclorch
* Are morals subjective?
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 5,852 35 04/24/03 05:58 AM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Absolute Truth vs. Science
( 1 2 all )
infidelGOD 2,474 20 01/14/04 01:27 PM
by muhurgle
* are there morals?
( 1 2 all )
CleverName 4,185 33 09/21/02 11:26 AM
by Albino_Jesus
* Bitterness towards the opposite sex.
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Phluck 8,267 104 01/28/04 06:26 PM
by DoctorJ
* There is no Universal, Absolute Truth
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Sclorch 5,761 61 07/09/02 05:03 PM
by llib

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
931 topic views. 0 members, 19 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.