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Really... [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5455374 - 03/29/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

According to the picture referencing I have done, the scale-capped mushrooms I have photographed appear to be P. retirugis. I am by no means SURE of that. Nevertheless, I find your assertion that they are (without a doubt) sphinctrinus to be presumptuous at the very least, considering a notable lack of workable evidence that we are given to work with in this setting. In all honestly, I find your words arrogant and slightly antagonistic.


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Re: Really... [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5456245 - 03/29/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats your perrogative.

Alot of inexperienced hunters would aggree with you too. you should get together with them and formulate a
dissertation.

antangonism is purely in the mind of the antagonized, in this case.

If it eases your mind that I complement you for something, then I will say this.
Your photography skills are top-notch. Better than 90% of the pics that come on here. And therefore your specimines are quite a simple task to ID.



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Hmm. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5457540 - 03/29/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I must say I am a little bemused. Perhaps my youth has gotten the best of me. In truth, as I was hiking after my last post I felt I had been a bit rash. In all likelihood I was probably just holding onto the hope of having found a psychoactive mushroom. Either way, it was in fact my error in raising issue, not yours in asserting your views. It is to my disgust that I observe people becoming defensive or emotional when it comes to addressing a difference of opinion, and here I find myself engaging in the same behavior! Please accept my apology~


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Re: Hmm. [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5464214 - 03/31/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

none needed. :smile:


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Re: Really... [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5482424 - 04/05/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Had to edit this today to reload pics as they had been mistakenly deleted from this identification.......

word link
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5472081/an/0/page/1



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Mitchnast said: your specimines are quite a simple task to ID.





Hey Mitch.....appreciate your reply......this is how we learn is by disscussing the inevidible disagreements on the different points and details of trying to I.D. something from usully blurry pictures over the internet _"..........considering a notable lack of workable evidence that we are given to work with in this setting............"_ especially within this complex but I'm sure I aint tellin you nuthin you haven't already known.....probably a lot longer than I.....I think you as I did in this case as soon as you saw the picture had that immediate ON SIGHT recognition which after a certain point we all do......like so many people after encountering Chanterelles or Morels after a few times, how many need to go spore it first .....usually its like bam......"Thats a Chanty!"........on sight........ I mean I know I sure tend (not sayin you do) to glance over mushrooms a bit quik sometimes cause instantly recognize that group....and Im sure (not sayin you are)I'm probably wrong half ? the time.....(NOTE with that said:) NO ONE SHOULD EVER EAT A MUSHROOM BECAUSE SOMEONE IDENTIFIED IT FOR THEM FROM A PICTURE OR OVER A WEBSITE!........you must KNOW for YOURSELF FIRST!!!


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Mitchnast said: No, those are Pan sphinctrinus





Wish I could give a more specific reply to your two identification replies.....but all the things you had stated said nothing to the WHY of the I.D. of the mushrooms (all guilty) other than no blueing reaction ruling out Copelandia (just curious on what criteria DID you use to delineate from Papilionaceus, Campanulatus, and Retirugis?) ......nor did you reply to some of the observations made on this thread as possibilities for another species/ variety such as the what I considered extremely insightful ( as you will see) (inexperienced?) observations in the field.....and on a continuing basis......I mean he had these illicit little fungal fugitives (fungitives?)(Pans)under observation for days ! .........(well probably actually only a couple hours in total)......but I mean they werent gettin away with nuthin !.....P. I. Word.....anything for a positive I.D. of the suspected.......how many years would all our ongoing surveilances of our local favorable habitats add up to?..........can pay off tho........people been finded morels for weeks now......(tho we can find them every month of the year here).............Through this he was able to observe changes over maybe a liittle more extended range of growth and environmental factors.......


Didnt realize at time of I.D. but this mushroom was already run through an earlier post.....this is from that original thread "Old Man Manure".......
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5426767/an/0/page/2

(put the pertinant in CAPS)....
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WordlessNature said:
"....... They weren't shriveled panaeolus; THE ENTIRE PATCH HELD THAT APPEARANCE EVEN THE THE YOUNGER CAPS. Moreover, THE CAPS ARE SCALED, NOT AT ALL SHRIVELED, and the stems are healthy. Definitely not a scaly coprinus. The stems are not white, nor are they hollow. The inside of the stem is rather woody. In fact, the color is a reddish brown, further resembling wood. Here are a couple more shots of others in the group. The young caps (group of 3 in first pic)...... BRUISE PURPLE..... Rather pretty."




just with these observations alone gotta at least consider at least for a microsecond there might at least a lotteries chance Retirugis



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Mitchnast said: "Alot of (likeminded (edited out) and inexperienced hunters would aggree with you too. you should get together with them and formulate a
dissertation..................."



so I did.............



this was a follow up post to "Old Man Manure" thread attached to the end this thread in another attempt at I.D. for the Old Man.........
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WordlessNature said:"I have since observed YOUNGER SPECIMENS TURN ONCE AGAIN INTO THE CRACKED LOOKING OLDER - CAPS RELATIVELY QUIKLY WITH NO VARIATION IN DEVELOPMENT DESPITE MORE STABLE WEATHER............. "






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shroominDole said:
....and that texturing on the cap (though not always apparent) is one of the common characteristics of this species..... and on the younger ones you can already (though vague) see the beginning of the longitudinal(up and down) "wrinkling" beginning and then of course the typical......







Panaeolus sphinctrinus SaccardoSyllogeFungorum V. 1120 1887


Pileo = Cap / Levi = Smooth .............Stipite = Stem / Fuligeneo Griseo = Smoky Gray Color





Panaeolus retirugis SaccardoSyllogeFungorum V. 1120 1887


Pileo = Cap / Costis = Ribbed / Elevatis = Raised / Reticulato = Marked by lines etc......................Stipite = Stem / Carneo = Flesh colored / Purpurascente = becoming/ bruising PURPLE




Words stem:

STIPITE PURPURASCENTE







PANAEOLUS in the Pacific Northwest........(The Pertinant are in <CAPS>)


Pacific Northwest Key Council

Gary Menser, Oregon Mycological Society

Pacific Northwest Key Council


KEY TO SPECIES


8a. Cap WITH raised RETICULATIONS


...............................................................................P. retirugis
CAP 10-30 mm, globose, conic or campanulate, dark smoky becoming gray brown as it ages, darker when moist, shiny when dry, surface with <RAISED RIBS> or <WRINKLES> , margin incurved when young, appressed to the stem, fragments from the ringlike veil may be attached, appendiculate; flesh thin and fragile. GILLS pallid then becoming mottled and darkening as they age, adnate or adnexed, close, edge white and downy. STEM 40-60 mm x 2-4 mm, straight and equal, hollow, stiff and fragile, <WHITISH BECOMING PURPLISH> as it ages, darker near base, polished and finely powdered, no veil remnants, apex striate, base darker, may be slightly enlarged. Habit and habitat solitary to gregarious, often in large quantities in cow pastures, spring to fall. Remarks see discussion under P. papilionaceus sensu stricto below.

CAP: <RAISED RIBS> or <WRINKLES>..................STEM: <WHITISH BECOMING PURPLISH>



8b. Cap NOT RETICULATE


................................................................................P. sphinctrinus
CAP 10-30 mm, obtuse then broadly campanulate, never expanding to plane, hygrophanous, dark gray-brown or dark olive-gray or olive-black or lead gray or smoky gray, drying pallid buff, <SMOOTH> shiny when dry, margin appressed to the stem and incurved, appendiculate. GILLS pallid becoming mottled then darkening as they age, adnate, crowded, edges white. STEM 25-75 mm x 2-4 mm, straight and equal, hollow and fragile, <WHITISH TO DARK SMOKY GRAY> lighter near the top, darkening from the bottom as it ages, smooth, polished and covered with a fine white powder, apex substriate, base slightly enlarged and covered with white mycelium. HABITAT manured meadows, dung. Remarks see discussion under P. papilionaceus sensu stricto above.

CAP: <SMOOTH>......................................STEM <WHITISH TO DARK SMOKY GRAY>




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Mitchnast said: "P. Retirugis" does not appear in any pics you posted.
just so you know...............you have panaeolus sphinctrinus.
thats IS what you have."







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WordlessNature said: "According to the picture referencing I have done, the scale-capped mushrooms I have photographed appear to be P. retirugis. I am by no means SURE of that. Nevertheless, I.........."





Words shroom:


LOOK FAMILIAR?........this is a picture of an identified P. retirugis:





Words Old Man


LOOK FAMILIAR?........this another picture of an identified P. retirugis:





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shroominDole said: "..........but those should be classic Panaeolus retirugis("active" though some will argue)....and that texturing....."








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Mitchnast said: "just so you know. IT ISN'T ACTIVE ANYWAY."






Here is the reference for the chemical isolation of Psilocybin in Panaeolus retirugis
Fiussello, N. & Ceruti-Scarti, J. 1971/72.
Presenza di psilocibina edi 5-idrossi-indolderivati in Panaeolus retirugis. Atti Acc. Sci. Torino 106, 725-735.



http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=565



GAST?N GUZM?N, JOHN W. ALLEN & JOCHEN GARTZ
A WORLDWIDE GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE
NEUROTROPIC FUNGI, AN ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION
Ann. Mus. civ. Rovereto
Sez.: Arch., St., Sc. nat.
Vol. 14 (1998) 189-280 2000

In this paper, the world distribution of 216 known species of neurotropic fungi is discussed.

Basidiomycotina

Agaricales

Coprinaceae

44. PANAEOLUS RETIRUGIS




mushroomjohn.com says:

Revised May 1, 2002
Copyright 1998-2001 by John W. Allen

A List of the Known PSILOCYBIN mushrooms

BASIDIOMYCOTINA
Agaricales

Panaeolus Species

34. PANAEOLUS RETIRUGIS (Fr.) Qu?l.




the website EROWID says:

A List of the (186) Known Psilocybian Mushrooms
by John W. Allen
html by Erowid, 12/03/01
Last Modified - Thu, Mar 17, 2005

Phylum: BASIDIOMYCOTINA
Class: Hymenomycetes
Order: Agaricales

Family: Coprinaceae

Genus: Panaeolus

#30. PANAEOLUS RETIRUGIS

Have More................?



and oh ya......stumbled upon this on a web search....recognize this mushroom?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1879457

and in the mind of the intent antagonists (all are guilty).........


Edited by shroominDole (04/18/06 08:25 PM)


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