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is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing?
    #5438862 - 03/24/06 06:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

im going to be spawning 2.5-3 qts. of WBS to 5lbs of tenn. stud 50/50 mix substrate. I will be using no casing layer and using a double tub set up with perlite/misting for humidification. Im also going to try roger rabbits wax paper idea. ok now, here's my idea: i want to put some holes about 1/2 way into my substrate and then put drinking straws into them. After it colonizes i could add water into the straws and let it absorb into the center of the substrate to hydrate it. Would this work, or would it be better to just mist directly onto the substrate?


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: jtk]
    #5438892 - 03/24/06 06:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ive heard of people doing this whith cakes. i assume it works is it better the misting? i just don't know. thats where experiments come in.haha


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: skeletor]
    #5438902 - 03/24/06 06:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Your trying too hard man. If you do the DT there is no upkeep. Go read the tek!


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: StopGo]
    #5438914 - 03/24/06 06:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

trying to hard as in that is probably overkill?
thats kind of what i thought, but i read it's beneficial to dunk the entire substrate between flushes if there is no casing layer. I thought maybe the straw thing would allow me to just hydrate it like that and not have to dunk that huge 12qt. dish pan of horse poo


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: jtk]
    #5439009 - 03/24/06 07:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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im going to be spawning 2.5-3 qts. of WBS to 5lbs of tenn. stud 50/50 mix substrate.  I will be using no casing layer and using a double tub set up with perlite/misting for humidification.  Im also going to try roger rabbits wax paper idea.  ok now, here's my idea:  i want to put some holes about 1/2 way into my substrate and then put drinking straws into them.  After it colonizes i could add water into the straws and let it absorb into the center of the substrate to hydrate it.  Would this work, or would it be better to just mist directly onto the substrate?




Like Stopgo said, if you're doing a true double tub, you don't need perlite OR misting for humidification. The substrate and casing layer provide all the humidity needed. The polyfil provides the air exchange. I think people are getting either the teks or the terminology confused. Don't try to modify the tek. It wouldn't be archived if it didn't work.


12qt double tub. Puerto Rican strain. WBS spawned to coir, no casing layer, no misting, no fanning:





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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: FooMan]
    #5439544 - 03/24/06 11:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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im going to be spawning 2.5-3 qts. of WBS to 5lbs of tenn. stud 50/50 mix substrate.  I will be using no casing layer and using a double tub set up with perlite/misting for humidification.  Im also going to try roger rabbits wax paper idea.  ok now, here's my idea:  i want to put some holes about 1/2 way into my substrate and then put drinking straws into them.  After it colonizes i could add water into the straws and let it absorb into the center of the substrate to hydrate it.  Would this work, or would it be better to just mist directly onto the substrate?




Like Stopgo said, if you're doing a true double tub, you don't need perlite OR misting for humidification. The substrate and casing layer provide all the humidity needed. The polyfil provides the air exchange. I think people are getting either the teks or the terminology confused. Don't try to modify the tek. It wouldn't be archived if it didn't work.


12qt double tub. Puerto Rican strain. WBS spawned to coir, no casing layer, no misting, no fanning:





All you have to do is follow directions! :wink:




I have a mono-tub but really dont want to do a casing layer as my substrate is very contam resistant, and my growroom has a decent amount of mold spores in it. I know I will get more flushes out of my setup without a casing layer, but what can I do to keep it hydrated?

Saturate between flushes?


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: cokaznrebel]
    #5439644 - 03/24/06 11:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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im going to be spawning 2.5-3 qts. of WBS to 5lbs of tenn. stud 50/50 mix substrate.  I will be using no casing layer and using a double tub set up with perlite/misting for humidification.  Im also going to try roger rabbits wax paper idea.  ok now, here's my idea:  i want to put some holes about 1/2 way into my substrate and then put drinking straws into them.  After it colonizes i could add water into the straws and let it absorb into the center of the substrate to hydrate it.  Would this work, or would it be better to just mist directly onto the substrate?




Like Stopgo said, if you're doing a true double tub, you don't need perlite OR misting for humidification. The substrate and casing layer provide all the humidity needed. The polyfil provides the air exchange. I think people are getting either the teks or the terminology confused. Don't try to modify the tek. It wouldn't be archived if it didn't work.


12qt double tub. Puerto Rican strain. WBS spawned to coir, no casing layer, no misting, no fanning:





All you have to do is follow directions! :wink:




I have a mono-tub but really dont want to do a casing layer as my substrate is very contam resistant, and my growroom has a decent amount of mold spores in it. I know I will get more flushes out of my setup without a casing layer, but what can I do to keep it hydrated?

Saturate between flushes?




I guess you can dunk in between flushes with an uncased substrate. That particular grow was an experiment. I usually use a casing layer and I would recommend one.

The casing layer isn't there to protect from contaminants. A fully colonized substrate will fight contaminants very well. A casing layer, according to TMC:
1. Protects the colonized substrate from drying out.
2. Provides a humid microclimate for primordia formation and development.
3. Provide a water reservoir for the maturing mushrooms
4. Supports the growth of fruitification enhancing microorganisms

To state that you aren't using a casing layer because your substrate is very contam resistant is misguided. If anything, the casing layer makes a grow more succeptable to contaminants.


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: FooMan]
    #5439714 - 03/24/06 11:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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FooManShroom said:
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jtk said:
im going to be spawning 2.5-3 qts. of WBS to 5lbs of tenn. stud 50/50 mix substrate.  I will be using no casing layer and using a double tub set up with perlite/misting for humidification.  Im also going to try roger rabbits wax paper idea.  ok now, here's my idea:  i want to put some holes about 1/2 way into my substrate and then put drinking straws into them.  After it colonizes i could add water into the straws and let it absorb into the center of the substrate to hydrate it.  Would this work, or would it be better to just mist directly onto the substrate?




Like Stopgo said, if you're doing a true double tub, you don't need perlite OR misting for humidification. The substrate and casing layer provide all the humidity needed. The polyfil provides the air exchange. I think people are getting either the teks or the terminology confused. Don't try to modify the tek. It wouldn't be archived if it didn't work.


12qt double tub. Puerto Rican strain. WBS spawned to coir, no casing layer, no misting, no fanning:





All you have to do is follow directions! :wink:




I have a mono-tub but really dont want to do a casing layer as my substrate is very contam resistant, and my growroom has a decent amount of mold spores in it. I know I will get more flushes out of my setup without a casing layer, but what can I do to keep it hydrated?

Saturate between flushes?




I guess you can dunk in between flushes with an uncased substrate. That particular grow was an experiment. I usually use a casing layer and I would recommend one.

The casing layer isn't there to protect from contaminants. A fully colonized substrate will fight contaminants very well. A casing layer, according to TMC:
1. Protects the colonized substrate from drying out.
2. Provides a humid microclimate for primordia formation and development.
3. Provide a water reservoir for the maturing mushrooms
4. Supports the growth of fruitification enhancing microorganisms

To state that you aren't using a casing layer because your substrate is very contam resistant is misguided. If anything, the casing layer makes a grow more succeptable to contaminants.




Thats exactly why I dont want to case, because the casing layer will most likely be contamed by the 2nd flush. Thats why I was wondering how to keep a substrate WITHOUT a casing layer saturated enough to still fruit well.


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: cokaznrebel]
    #5439875 - 03/25/06 12:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

With dunking between flushes :cool:

i also use a fork to poke it a little then dunking comes in order  :crazy2:


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: strengthener]
    #5439937 - 03/25/06 01:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i think Agar just did a tek with 'soaker hose' inside the substrate!

just add water


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5440239 - 03/25/06 04:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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i think Agar just did a tek with 'soaker hose' inside the substrate!




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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5440545 - 03/25/06 12:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If the substrate dries out, you can always inject some water with a syringe. I tried all sorts of hoses, pipes with holes, and straws in the middle of substrates for hydration and had an increased rate of contamination every time. It seems that trich spores migrate into the well you cut, then grow there in the stale, still air until they ruin the project.
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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: StopGo]
    #5440697 - 03/25/06 01:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Your trying too hard man. If you do the DT there is no upkeep. Go read the tek!




Where exactly is this tek that you guys are referring to? Or what is it's exact name?? A link would be nice. Since a search on teks returns tons of results.

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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5440729 - 03/25/06 01:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I havnt really had any problems with non of my casing layers, and i got like 5 flushes out of them. I don't know why you would want to skip the casing layer, it makes a huge yield difference from what I've heard.


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: FooMan]
    #5440737 - 03/25/06 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If anything, the casing layer makes a grow more succeptable to contaminants.




Casing layers are non-nutricious...They wouldn't factor in at all when talking about contams...

DT's do rather well without a casing layer, to my surprize...You don't necessarily NEED one when using a DT, but it wouldn't hurt either.

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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: cokaznrebel]
    #5441100 - 03/25/06 03:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Thats exactly why I dont want to case, because the casing layer will most likely be contamed by the 2nd flush. Thats why I was wondering how to keep a substrate WITHOUT a casing layer saturated enough to still fruit well.




I didn't want to quote that whole thing again! :smirk:

The way I read it, I thought you were implying that you didn't need the additional protection of the casing layer. My mistake.

I would still recommend a casing layer. Even though you may get more contam-free flushes without one, it's within the first flush that you get the majority of your weight and a casing layer will help the cause big time. Anything after the 2nd flush is a bonus, but not worth stressing over IMO.


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5441128 - 03/25/06 03:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If anything, the casing layer makes a grow more succeptable to contaminants.




Casing layers are non-nutricious...They wouldn't factor in at all when talking about contams...





I disagree 100%. A casing layer is non-nutritious, but myc will still colonize it just like bacteria and mold will. Combine a wet casing layer that isn't completely colonized with myc and any kind of bacteria or mold spores and you have a breeding ground for contams.


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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5441385 - 03/25/06 05:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Where exactly is this tek that you guys are referring to?  Or what is it's exact name?? A link would be nice. Since a search on teks returns tons of results.





I'm assuming that "DT" is referring to a double tub. I don't know if  this  is what they are referring to, but its a double tub tek that I just came acrossed. :wink:

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Re: is this a good plan for my horse poo substrate with no casing? [Re: Jaeger]
    #5441397 - 03/25/06 05:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:cool:

Got it bookmarked, personally, it looks like the first, simple step to take once my friend starts casing, which should hopefully be soon. Taking one step at a time, should help develop patience as well. :smirk:

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