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Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p
    #5440981 - 03/25/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My computer had some serious errors and I had to use the installation cd to recover.
Before my computer started up really fast, and now the 'windows is starting up' screen takes a long time, like 1-2 minutes or something. How can I disable this/get it back to how it was so that my sucky windows xp starts up fast again?


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5441002 - 03/25/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Make sure your HDD is working in UDMA and not PIO mode

right click My Computer, then click on properties. Then go to;

hardware/device manager/IDE ATA.ATAPI controllers/Primary IDE Channel/Advanced Settings

You should be using an Ultra DMA mode, not a PIO mode

PIO is an old, slow protocol, that windows sometimes reverts to. If you're using it, it would take a long time to load the need OS files to your memory from the HDD, making windows take a long time to start up.


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5441304 - 03/25/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Go through your startup list and clean out everything that you don't need to start up your computer. You'd be surprised how much bullshit software most PC companies add to the startup list...

Go Start->Run... and type in "msconfig". You'll find the startup tab in there.

You should also go through your Services and turn off any that you don't need. Go to Start->Run... and type in "services.msc"


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5441331 - 03/25/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

^^^ :yesnod:

be careful though, disabling an essential service could potentially stop your machine from loading windows properly


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5441489 - 03/25/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you know when it started booting slow, you could also try a system restore to a previous date. System restore is one of the most useful and overlooked features for fixing XP.


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: trendal]
    #5441787 - 03/25/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

running msconfig is not safe. running services.msc is - that is the best way to modify services.

follow this guide to see what is safe and not safe to enable: http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=12


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: Vvellum]
    #5441866 - 03/25/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:
running msconfig is not safe.




What is unsafe about using msconfig? It's just a quick link to the HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Run registry keys.


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: trendal]
    #5442388 - 03/25/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

services.msc is more comprehensive and provides details on the services, while msconfig only shows a few select services and provide zero detail. msconfig can disable essential services that are essential to booting up, while services.msc does not, really. I see no reason why people should use msconfig while services.msc offers more and is safer.


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: trendal]
    #5442794 - 03/26/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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trendal said:
Go through your startup list and clean out everything that you don't need to start up your computer.




I was talking about the startup list, not the services. For the startup list you can only use msconfig or regedit.


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: Ythan]
    #5443193 - 03/26/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If you know when it started booting slow, you could also try a system restore to a previous date. System restore is one of the most useful and overlooked features for fixing XP.



"there are currently no restore points available" :smirk:

I will try the editing on services.msc with help froim the majorgeeks link :thumbup:

thanks everyone! I'll update what happened in this post.

oh and trendal I justdisabled some programs with msconfig :cool:


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5444067 - 03/26/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so I tried every advice from this post and it doensn't make a difference.
Trough google I found some posts on other forums from people with the same problem. And no one could fix it, exept when formatting an completely reinstalling windows.

When I get the "windows is starting up" screen my computer does absolutely nothing for like 1 minute and 30 seconds (no hard disk activity etc whatsoever) and then suddenly moves on and starts up. Also I don't think I got the "windows is starting up" screen before my pc crashed a few days ago.

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I used to make a partition for OS, and another one for data. I'd point all the windows folders (my docs, etc) to that other partition, and make a ghost image of the OS partiton. If anything went wrong, all it took was restoring the OS partiton. All of my files would stay in place, but it would be a fresh start for the OS.



That sounds like a good idea. So I could place Windows in 1 partition and all data and other programs, including the program files folder, in an other partition?


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5446970 - 03/27/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Try to remember which software you last installed prior to this slowdown, it might be the culprit. Anyway, lack of activity when booting might be due to some installed service that times out after a while, then the boot sequence is completed.

Which anti-virus are you using ?

If you want a "no-brainer" app to speed up things with windows, try this:
http://www.totalidea.com/frameset-tweakxp.htm

Install and run the automated process.

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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: stefan]
    #5447051 - 03/27/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It could be a device driver that isn't loading properly.

Boot into safe mode and see if it displays the message "Press Esc to skip loading [somefile.something]"

if it does, that could be the culprit


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Re: Need some help on win XP (startup speed) [Re: MAIA]
    #5447381 - 03/27/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It happened after my computer crashed and had to recover it with the windows cd. So I installed windows xp :smirk:
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Anyway, lack of activity when booting might be due to some installed service that times out after a while, then the boot sequence is completed.



sounds like that could be it, but what service, that's the question  :tongue:

I have donwloaded the trial of tweak-xp
and I will also start up in save mode like odiumjunkie said :thumbup:

what is even worse that my pc doesn't recognize a part of my soundcard (it's made of 2 cards). I think I will have to format and reinstall everything...

I have two partitions, on C: my programs (including windows) and on D: my data (music and other files). Can I install on C: and save the data on D:?


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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: stefan]
    #5447910 - 03/27/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Further on the UDMA and PIO mode:
CD ROMS can switch to/run on PIO mode. This forces everything else on the same data cable to revert back to that mode also. So if your HD is the master, and a CD drive the slave, you'll get slow performance. Make sure they are on different cables.

Btw, it could also have something to do with windows looking for a DHCP server. I know i've had problems with slow boot before, altho that mightve been a different issue. I know windows looking for DHCP servers can cause hangs.


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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: RuNE]
    #5447933 - 03/27/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also, perhaps trying to mount network drives that aren't connected?


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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: OJK]
    #5454975 - 03/29/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds like that could be it, but what service, that's the question




There's probably a way to know which one.
Open explorer and make sure you can see system files. Head to C:\ , you should see a file named boot.ini . First, right click, properties and uncheck the read only box, ok . Edit boot.ini with notepad, you'll see something like this :

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect

add /sos to the end of the line, so it goes:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /sos

Save the file, reboot your pc and watch the several drivers and stuff being displayed - it's the same screen as safe mode, but this way you'll see every driver being loaded in normal mode. If it hangs in one of them, write it down and report back to this thread.

To revert, just edit boot.ini again and delete /sos

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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: MAIA]
    #5454986 - 03/29/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

have you tried disabling the workstation service?

yeah, I know, Don't do it, but I did that with mine and it actually loads up much quicker than before, takes almost 2 minutes before I can click on anything.


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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: MAIA]
    #5455417 - 03/29/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks a lot for the help guys!
I fixed it now...
turned out that after the repairing with the windows cd all updates were lost, also service pack 2... after installing that one everything works fine again.  :blush:

my sound is back!
bootup is fast as ever!
:thumbup:

the only thing that is different than before is that I can't open windows explorer anymore with the hotkey (windows key + E). That shouldn't be too hard to fix right?

Also is it possible to move all my programs out of 'program files' to another partition? would everything still work? I want to have an only windows partition (in case anything goes wrong I can just reinstall only windows and not all the programs)

any other updates than service pack 2 that I should look into? :blush:


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Re: Need some help on win XP startup speed.. apparently no one can fix it:p [Re: stefan]
    #5455427 - 03/29/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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now the 'windows is starting up' screen takes a long time, like 1-2 minutes





Probably the best way to decrease the boot time of a computer running Windows XP is to remove windows from it. :wink:


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