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Hippie3
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the wax paper is just forming a micro-fruiting chamber, not a substitute for a casing.
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Psychoslut
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finally i see someone say it besides me. Ive always thought that casing layers are over rated for hpoo. I do hpoo in mono tubs with no casing and no wax paper and i get better pin sets than i see most folks getting with a casing. Im certainly going to use wax paper next time though, absolutely brilliant!
In nature there are no fairies flying around sprinkling 50/50 + oyster shell all over the horse turds, lol.
edit: ahhh i see you do use a casing layer, im usually too lazy to do it.
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Edited by Psychoslut (03/23/06 07:54 AM)
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hyphae
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Waxpaper may work well with substrates without casings but with casing layers it's totally not needed trust me. That is if your doing it right!
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Psychoslut
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5434163 - 03/23/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't use a casing layer because I always get a contam by the third flush because i have a wet moldy basement. I personally yield more mushrooms by not using a casing at all.
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Roadkill
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I agree...you don't need to use a casing layer with horse poo.
I didn't used to use them at all.
Alot of people don't use a casing layer with horse poo and compost.
The only problem that I see with not using a casing layer is uneven pinsets and flushes. The wax paper might help that...if I'm understanding Roger correctly.
Bulk horse poo without a casing layer...

another one...

and yet another one...

sorta hit and miss without a casing layer.
but some of the largest fruits that I have ever grown... have been off bulk horse poo without a casing layer. 21" long Orissa India with a 8" cap.
I'll be trying Roger's wax paper method.
tc
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Psychoslut
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: Roadkill]
#5434491 - 03/23/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love everything about not using a casing. There are allot more really huge knarly clusters. You dont have to worry about overlay, misting, patching, and all that none sense. You can dunk the bulk sub between each flush to off set the fact that you dont have a casing providing extra water. ALLOT less instances of contamination. IME you can get a even pin set without a casing layer easily by spawning the top 2 inches of the bulk with 20-30% of your spawn and initiating fruiting as soon as the top is 80-100 colonised (this also brings you shrooms 5-10 days faster for you shroomless noobs). No its not a even pin set in the same sence that every mushroom on the thing is touching one anothers cap like they are all holding hands or something like with a properly done casing but its still even.
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stelthvue
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so in essence, wouldnt this be like having a bottom layer of vermiculite and a layer of crush up cakes. then you wouldnt need a casing layer on top right? just the wax paper?
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Psychoslut
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No its more like a 4 inch thick flat cake made of horse poo with some wax paper on it.
But i get what you are trying to do though, you wanna use the no casing way with crumbled cakes. I suggest just go ahead and pasteurize some poo and spawning with the cakes instead of attempting to crumble cakes and throw some wax paper on it.
Dont be afraid of bulk, theres nothing complicated or advanced about it. And also i guarentee you them cakes will have a less chance of contaming if you spawn them to poo than if you just crumbled them and tossed under some wax paper.
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hyphae
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Quote:
Psychoslut said: I love everything about not using a casing. There are allot more really huge knarly clusters. You dont have to worry about overlay, misting, patching, and all that none sense. You can dunk the bulk sub between each flush to off set the fact that you dont have a casing providing extra water. ALLOT less instances of contamination. IME you can get a even pin set without a casing layer easily by spawning the top 2 inches of the bulk with 20-30% of your spawn and initiating fruiting as soon as the top is 80-100 colonised (this also brings you shrooms 5-10 days faster for you shroomless noobs). No its not a even pin set in the same sence that every mushroom on the thing is touching one anothers cap like they are all holding hands or something like with a properly done casing but its still even.
But ya gotta love the advantages of using a casing too?
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EonTan
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5435437 - 03/23/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice pic.
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Psychoslut
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5437426 - 03/24/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yes and one of these days ill get my lazy ass down into the basement and seal it so the air in my house isnt so damn thick with mold spores.
Im not saying that not casing is better at all, its just that it turns out that not casing works out better for me in my current situation.
Lovely pic, has it been nominated?
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hyphae
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Quote:
Psychoslut said: Oh yes and one of these days ill get my lazy ass down into the basement and seal it so the air in my house isnt so damn thick with mold spores.
Im not saying that not casing is better at all, its just that it turns out that not casing works out better for me in my current situation.
Lovely pic, has it been nominated?
No never nominated it is an older pic of a colleagues grow which I never get tired of looking at!
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mushboy
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5438052 - 03/24/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just put wax paper on two of my cases. I have 2others that are pinning as I type. I'llpost pics soon
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