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thelorax121
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Are Salvia Victoria active?
#5435726 - 03/23/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was browsing through Walmart today, and this package of seeds caught my eye.

Does anyone know if these are psychoactive in any way? I know that other strains of Salvia (besides divinorum) have psychoactive properties, and I was wondering if these were as well.
Also, I picked up a few packs of Morning Glory seeds, made by burpee, and I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not they are coated with fungicide or whatnot. It doesnt mention it anywhere on the package, but I wanted to be sure. If there is, is there any way to get it off without planting them and harvesting the seeds. Would an extraction help? Thanks for the time
Heres a pic of the Morning Glory package if it helps...
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: thelorax121]
#5435779 - 03/23/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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97 cents? Fuck, I need to go to Wal-Mart more!
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: whatever123]
#5435798 - 03/23/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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nope only salvia divinorum is active. you will never find seeds for divinorum at any public retail store....
viable seed is very rare and hardly ever offered
there is talk of another active salvia......poke around on shaman australis....that is where i recall seeing some discussion and bioassay taking place...
edit in: salvia splendens was the other i was thinking of...
(taken from shaman-australis.com)
Salvia splendens: The presence of diterpenes (compare Salvia divinorum) has been documented, but little is known whether these are responsible for the mild activity. Daniel Siebert concluded from his controlled experiments that any activity is probably due to placebo effect. However the percentage of placebo was stated at well above scientifically accepted limits. Upon correction of this data, it appears that Salvia splendens is active in at least some proportion of trialled subjects. Those people who confirm activity also state that not all varieties are active. In our experience we found that 'Bonfire' and 'Blaze of fire' are active, while the multicoloured 'Sizzler' series is not. It took many years to confirm the validity of the psychoactive claims of Salvia divinorum, which was complicated by a number factors, including administration techniques (especially combustion temperature) and 'set & setting'. Salvia divinorum is now generally accepted as a very strong and effective hallucinogen, even though there are still many people who fail to get effects from it. Salvia splendens has a much, much weaker effect and thus it is reasonable to assume that it's effects will not be felt by everyone - possibly not even by the majority of subjects. This should however not discredit the many positive results people have obtained from it. Research on this and several other salvias continues.....
Do a search on splendens over at the SAB forum...
Here is a neat comparison of isolates from s. divinorum and s. splendens 
Salviarin:
Splendidin:
ok...i need to go to bed now....
Edited by Schwip (03/23/06 08:13 PM)
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thelorax121
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: whatever123]
#5435876 - 03/23/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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whatever123 said: 97 cents? Fuck, I need to go to Wal-Mart more!
yea man, thats what I said. They had other packs of morning glories too, I just picked these boys up.
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: thelorax121]
#5435886 - 03/23/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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umh, you actually never said it. It was on the package.
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thelorax121
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: whatever123]
#5435910 - 03/23/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, i mean that I was equally suprised when I saw them in the store 
Aslo, I heard that salvia chiapas also have some kind of active chemicals, but maybe that's just a rumor
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: thelorax121]
#5438124 - 03/24/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's been one more Salvia that someone should search. It is called salvia melissodora. I've read that the Oaxaca natives use this plant exactly for the same medical/divination purposes just like Salvia divinorum.
Of course as it grows in the same place as S. divinorum, it is bit difficult to grow. The good part is, that it produces seeds.
I have found some seeds searching in google but it would be nice someone to try growing this at home/greenhouse.
A sourch about it's terpenes : http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:AndH...gr&ct=clnk&cd=1
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1919.html///
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: Schwip]
#6219685 - 10/27/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, there is only one way to figure out whether or not it is active. You got to take some with the Ayahuasca or shrooms. I've been looking all over for those molecular structures and couldn't find them. They are definitely some kinda drug for some kinda disorder(s). The ? is which ones.
Edited by Cerebro (11/02/06 02:32 PM)
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: Cerebro]
#6219742 - 10/27/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cerebro said: Well, there is only one way to figure out whether or not it is active. You got to take some with the Ayahuasca or shrooms. I've been looking all over for the those molecular structures and couldn't find them. They are definately some kinda drug for some kinda disorder(s). The ? is which ones.
sorry, what? that might be dangerous, for all you know it could contain high concentrations of tyramine, and kill you for eating the maoi in aya.
lorax if your looking to trade, i would gladly send u some other active morning glories and things to plant for that pack of salvia victoria.
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6220602 - 10/28/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im not sure i follow your logic Cerebro. Are you saying that the only way to figure out if salvia victoria is active is to take it with another powerful hallucinogen? Shroomie, I think I lost the package of seeds, considering the age of the thread, but I just bought them at walmart, so you can probably find them there
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: thelorax121]
#6220870 - 10/28/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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eh, no money. yeah, not even 97 cents. this is why i prefer trading
cerebro didnt make any sense, dont take his advice seriously.
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6221747 - 10/28/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie said: eh, no money. yeah, not even 97 cents. this is why i prefer trading
cerebro didnt make any sense, dont take his advice seriously.
I make perfect sense. I am saying that the only way to figure out if ANY salvia sp. is active is to take it with another powerful indole type hallucinogen. So who cares if it has tyramine in it. I drink a little beer and eat what I want while on Ayahuasca with no ill effects. Don't be afraid to mix stuff with Aya. I understand what you are saying though too. For someone not to be all willy nilly about mixing up strange drugs. I wouldn't mix E with Aya though. I hope that clears things up. I mainly respond to this thread to get my posts passed the 25 mark.
Edited by Cerebro (10/28/06 07:07 PM)
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Re: Are Salvia Victoria active? [Re: Cerebro]
#6221924 - 10/28/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nah, dude, I'm sorry but you really don't make sense. Salvia doesn't need anything else to accompany it. Salvia divinorum is perfectly active by itself so, that being the case, why would you need other shit to test if other salvia sp. are active? You wouldn't. Although I tend to doubt anything else could hold a candle to salvia d.
That salvia victoria is pretty though. The leaves seem to be much more slender than those of salvia d.
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