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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5278272 - 02/08/06 04:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I see.

Well, I planned on fasting for about 12 or 24 hours prior anyway.

Then, drink the juice about an hour to an hour and a half before eating the mushrooms.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5278308 - 02/08/06 04:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Here's my suggestion since you're trying the same brand:

Wake up relatively early, and besides maybe some orange juice (no banana), fast the entire day. At nighttime drink the juice, wait an hour, and "lemon juice" 2 grams.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5278318 - 02/08/06 04:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to also soak them in Grapefruit juice and Lime Juice.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5310223 - 02/17/06 11:59 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i found this same thread on bluelight and found completly diffrent answers there,

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=231012

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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5324943 - 02/21/06 05:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I ma gonna try this soon ~


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: csyhomme]
    #5433100 - 03/23/06 06:40 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

im looking to try this soon but i dont want the trip shortened which is what seems to happen. i like to trip as hard as possible, aswell as as long as possible. what if i take the blackcurrant juice, then 1 hour later just eat the shrooms like i normally would? will this make the trip stronger but also keep it going for 4+ hours?

sorry if this has already been answered ive read through half the posts on this topic but not all of them as there is too many.

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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: giz]
    #5433450 - 03/23/06 09:18 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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i found this same thread on bluelight and found completly diffrent answers there




The bluelight thread - I read it and it is an absolutely disgraceful spectacle.

Let's be honest, I'm sceptical (with a C) about the gummiberries, but this is where an open mind ought to kick in.

Not so in that thread which is a disgrace to bluelight.

Our Infinitedot has been a tad speculative, rude and perhaps unreasonable over there but it was in defense against an onslaught of Skeptic (with a K) boo-ing.

You can argue against some of the theories, but to knock down the observations like it happened there... That's bad. Ugly. And the Lemon Experiment suffered a similar fate in an interforum-post there.

With all sorts of projects i've seen initiated on several "psychedelic" sites I've seen time and time again a mixture of apathy and rejection of the idea because it sounds outrageous.
We are VERY reluctant to change our minds, let alone have others change ours, and choose rattling the keyboard over experimenting ourselves.

Good grief people, are we so closed-minded?
I was considering unstickying this thread so I'm reviewing it. I'm sceptical (note the C) about some statements and the theorizing, and personally I believe it might be the Lemon effect (acidic predigestion and enhanced absorption) in combination with possibly the fasting which for the most part might be responsible.

I'm trying to get real gummiberry juice but the ogres took it all from the shops near here ^_^

For now, let's do a small poll here.


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Gummiberries!
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (03/23/06 09:18 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5435321 - 03/23/06 05:40 PM (18 years, 9 days ago)

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Reading the thread on bluelight made me so extremely depressed that I was really close to lose my faith in mankind.




Hmm, there's conservatism blended with peer group effects and bluelight vs. shroomery rivalry. I think that if an independant moderator had stepped in there and smacked the lid on hostilities and innuendo (from boths sides) on the moment it arose, their thread would have been more balanced and neither side would have gone to this tragic escalation that happened, resulting in the whole thread going up in flames.
Good science wasn't present on either side of the conflict.

Immediately it should be said that good science *cannot* be present because that requires double-blind trials.

So good science is out, but we psychedelic people must be able to meet in the middle between good science and a shouting match!

Not holier than thou: the Shroomery has threads like that too.


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I stickied this thread to see where it would lead. Because I was sceptical about it I decided to stay out of it. Since then the thread has grown in many ways and more information is available.
I just now reviewed it more thoroughly.

I didnt look at explanations but I did look at what was observed.
Here's my take on it:

I don't see the claim of 10x potentiation holding up.
If you look at incubaby_421's words he basically compared 4gr of "somewhat stronger" mushrooms with several instances of 28gr of "somewhat weaker" mushrooms. This by no means is a 10x potentiation even though the phrase 10x was used to describe the effects.

What I do see however further on are several things that point in the direction of a 3-6x potentiation, or what's pinned as "1.5-2x Lemon". Even the "10x" claim comparing 4gr with ounces falls into this realm if you let stronger and weaker deviate a reasonable degree.

Gummiberry method: 3-6x potentiation (estimated)
Lemon/Lime method: 2-5x potentiation (estimated)

Looking at this I think that whatever causes the Lemon effect might well be causing the Gummiberry effect, only more pronouncedly so.

My own personal Lemon theory is "acidic predigestion + more efficient absorption" and I think that holds true for Gummiberries too.

Still, it looks like the Gummiberry method is the stronger one of the two, but the Lemon method is more convenient.

So yes, I definitely think there is something in Lemons and Gummiberries, and while there is no scientific proof that these indeed potentiate the mushroom experience, the observations as seen in the two threads definitely point in the direction that this is occurring.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Asante]
    #5578300 - 05/01/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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With all sorts of projects i've seen initiated on several "psychedelic" sites I've seen time and time again a mixture of apathy and rejection of the idea because it sounds outrageous.





Can you blame people for that? Simple logic dictates, but not here on the shroomery, it seems. All I see are premature conclusions and fallacies.

If you want to state that there is some kind of actual potentiation going on, better come up with some hard proof, don't come up with anecdotal evidence.

I find it ridiculous that this thread now begins with the statement:
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MOD EDIT: thoroughly researched, of potentially high interest, 1.500+ views/150+ posts and independent verification required: stickied for now. Please note that independent reports are far more important than academic discussion at this point.




Independent reports mean squat. Thanks to the threads here with people stating that lemon and black currant juice definitively potentiate the trip through some unknown mechanism, you have created another myth, a very popular one as well.

As a psychedelic community you guys should be weary of anything like this, in this case it might not be dangerous, but mis-information is the last thing you want, there's already so much nonsense out there. IMO this is just like the myth that vit C or orange juice will stop a bad trip, correlation does not imply causation, just because your bad trip stopped because of it does not mean it actually did, power of suggestion.

In the case of lemon juice etc, it's simply the expectancy effect coupled with the method of administration and thus increased absorption, nothing more. A more logical explanation does not exist.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5580291 - 05/02/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's what I mean. Me trying it isn't going to make a difference here. Anecdotal evidence really doesn't mean anything. I'm in no hurry to try it, because I haven't taken any psychedelic for over more than a year now (with the exception of cannabis), all in due time.

I'm not saying that this method of administration doesn't feel stronger. Au contraire. But it's simply the method of administration. Just like with a tea. Increased absorption means higher plasma levels, means a faster onset, harder peak and fades more quickly. That is everything which has been reported in this thread, nothing more, nothing less. This is by no means "potentiation"..


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5581528 - 05/02/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, I AM from Bluelight. :wink:

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When 1 tripper gets 3g dry shrooms and another takes 1g in lemon juice, and the latter has a deeper trip than the former - what other proof one can possibly need?




Much more to from a definitive conclusion. As well as method of administration, set & setting might've played a big role in this as well.

I have taken many mushrooms and not once was it the same. One of the last times I tripped on mushrooms, I only took 15 gram of wet shrooms (cubensis) and had one of my strongest trips up to date, it was comparable to a strong 5-MeO-DMT trip, completely overwhelming. I attribute this to set & setting and the variance of alkaloid contents amongst different mushrooms.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5584537 - 05/03/06 05:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Anyway, you can believe whatever you choose even if it is against a statistically wide range experience and lab tests, you're a free man in a free world and God bless your ignorance, amen.




My ignorance? Excuse me? I'm not trying to take this all too seriously, but that's kinda hard when you fall back on petty things like this.

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I've already said it several times - there's so damn easy way to check it, one try is enough to stop this silly dispute.




Guess you still haven't read my answers to that then.

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that's not placebo, that's not an influence of set and setting, how many times should it be repeated - what is so difficult to understand here?




Repeat it as many times as you like. The only thing difficult to understand here is you people.

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Look, mate, your arguments could well work in a theoretical scientific discussion among people who had never or rarely tried it, this is the field research and all your theoresizing falls short




It doesn't actually, but it falls on deaf ears overhere.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5585239 - 05/03/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does this argument perpetuate the experiment? Theorizing is lots of fun, but hands on experimentation is deffinitely a step up. I did it, and have no regrets concerning the matter.

I don't do psychedelics... so let me argue about them? You've deffinitely hit deaf ears here.

Any more complaints? Or does someone have something worthwile to say?

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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5589334 - 05/04/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

wow thats insane! i like blackcurrent juice! yum!


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: infinitedot]
    #5598279 - 05/06/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Syrian rue has MAOI harmaline within it, at high levels of concentration known throughout the middle east it may have been consumed in conjunction with manna (mushroom) to form a mush-rue. Is it not possible that this is infact where our language derives the name of the entire family of friendly edible and no so friendly fungus? I think so.

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    #5674326 - 05/25/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Reading some of this post, I am a little baffled by the arguments contained within. My first contention is to wonder how it is one could say that subjective reports are meaningless, since we are examining the effects of the black currant juice upon an experience which is ultimately subjective in the first place. The person contemplating this combination is not likely to care whether or not it is scientifically supported (I am guessing that it isn't, but it doesn't really matter). Moreover, this is a poll based on the collection of individual experiences *with this combination*. Therefore, I would contend that any furthur antagonism is a tiresome waste of space. I am much more interested in reading what people who have done this are saying about their "anecdotal" experiences. It might be wise to save the rest for scientific discussion somewhere else.


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Re: Hmmm... [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5677646 - 05/26/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

less blah blah blah more reports please

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    #5677789 - 05/26/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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oathofsamurai said:
less blah blah blah  more reports  please




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    #5713034 - 06/04/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

- How experienced are you with psychedelics?: been exploring for over ten years
- Days since last trip on psychedelics: last night i smoked some dmt
- Black Currant Juice brand: Looza
- What reads the concentration on the label?: 30%
- Juice Quantity: 1L
- Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis B+ Outside grow
- Mushrooms Quantity: .3 gr dry, 9 gr fresh
- Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No. First two mushrooms to come up.
- Hours since last meal: 8 h.
- Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): Ground them, but not to a fine powder
- Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, 20 minutes with two lemons
- Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
- Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
- Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Y, unless those were some crazy mushys growing
- Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
- Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: Haven't tried with just juice
- Estimated total potency:
- Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen"): 20 mins.
- Time to onset of visual disturbance: 30 mins.
- Time to peak (rough estimate): 2.5 hours
- Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
- Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours
- Further comments you might want to add to your experience: Crazy Crazy Night. Super intense visuals. Great mind work. The visuals were up there with 7 to 8 grams, while the mind fuck was below 3. I had decided to go to the grocery to get some broccoli. once inside everyone looked the same with these fat round faces which kinda freaked me out. I was by myself with lots of talking and laughing. quite fun, although at times i was very sad. over all some great mind work and totally amazing visuals. heavy animal and insect motif. mushrooms usually bring out insects for me, various roaches and bugs with long legs but this time included large cats and snakes. quite crazy. One thing that really surprised me were the 'real' cats i was around. usually they are very affectionate, and while on in psy land they are pretty crazy and all over me, although tonight they were running away...not sure what vibes i was putting off. i spent a long time moving in circles, both with my thoughts and physical movements. i found it very hard to figure out what to do with my self, with is very different from most experiences. over all seemed to have a bit more of a negative vibe to it. not sure if this is due to the maoi or not. i picked two more mushys today, 14gr. will try this with just juice and see where i go (i know a lot of this can simply be set and setting too)...over all much more than i expected. and longer than i expected. seemed to last longer than just straight mushrooms...

i was certainly feeling information overload, and out of curiosity put that into google and laughed for quite a while with all the books that came up. i was quite amused by that. i went back and forth between simulis and no stimulus. i was rather sensitive and could only deal with something for a few minutes and then would need to change what i was doing. at times it felt a bit like a fever...weird.

when i was out in the world i felt very happy and excited for everyone around me, enjoying a beautiful summers night. at this point i was listening to ween as the stallion part two ended and i was on top of the world, totaly crazy, laughing talking to myself. then the new flaming lips album came on. it was good at first, but soon became much too heavy. at this point my feelings towards people changed and i just wanted to get away from everyone. but it was a saturday night in a big city and people were everywhere. i made it back home rather freaked out unable to really acomplish much of anything. i was rather paranoid and felt i must clean and orginize which didn't go well at all. finally i decided to take a shower and this is where things got even weirder. i was washing my face and as i closed my eyes and my hands went over my eyes the world vanished. sound went away. no appearnce of light coming through my eyes and very intense visuals. it was very amazing, but i started to worry about doing this while standing in the shower so i made my way to the bed which only took about 25 mintues to put sheets on...lol...

there i was able to relax finally. i listened to a little grateful dead which was very soothing...i shut off the music after a while and this is where i started seeing the cats coming after me. there were red and green lights around the dark apartment from smoke detectors and dvd players, stereos, etc. these began darting back and forth and rushing towards me. at this point it reminded me very much of a 7 to 8 gram experience. i knew i could let them over take me or not look at the lights. i probably should have let them overtake me but i decided to block the light :smile:

wow, this is really out of order...

anyway, wonderful experience. not too scary although had the potential. wouldn't want to take too much more than i did.

and i wish i would have found out what would of happened if i let the  psy cats attack...

btw this was the first time i had ever ground up a fresh mushroom. i was surprised to see it all turn electric blue. pretty cool. i am also surprised that you can barely touch them, wash them off with out it turning very blue. this was a first harvest and i am very impressed. especially for contam cakes!

also why i was off in lala land i was thinking about why, if dmt and psilocin are so similar what is it about psil. that makes you build a tolerance, while with dmt you can keep on rolling?

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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: infinitedot]
    #5754020 - 06/15/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

cool to know.. ill have to try and find some juice..

kinda retarded how it was presented as the whole gummy bear thing..

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