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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: DNKYD]
#5437875 - 03/24/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yikes... ok, i AM a christian, but i can find a good laugh in most things. including the tract posted here. i just dont understand why everyone feels the need to attack christianity. yes, christianity is flawed. yes, the bible has been changed over thousands of years. but the bible is still a book of wisdom. have you ever tried reading the book in a non-religous context? try it sometime. you might find something you actually agree with, and holy shit, you MIGHT learn something.
personally, i feel that if you think we're the only beings here and that there is no higher power, thats pretty arrogant. im not going to attack anyones beliefs, because everyone has their reasons for what they believe. call me an idiot, a fool, whatever. here's my point: if I'm wrong, when I die, i just die like everyone else. if im right, i go to heaven. win-win.
and trusting science is nothing more than taking someone else's word for it on FAITH. have you ever performed all those experiments or come up with the formulas yourself? if you have, good for you, take your scientific proof and believe in it. if not, your going to have to face the fact that you have faith too, only your faith is in what someone else told you. i prefer to try to get closer to god to try to understand more through my own experiences. but i could go on all day... cant we all just get along?
most everyone makes good points, i just couldnt leave konnrad by himself.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: PurpleKush]
#5438130 - 03/24/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^ the difference is that science has evidence that proves it's right. there isn't faith to believe that evolution occured or whatever, that's bullshit. you don't have to do the fucking experiment yourself to have ''passed the faith stage''
people say they have faith in religion...the reason they have faith is because there isn't any evidence
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: duggan18]
#5438204 - 03/24/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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duggan18 said: ^^ the difference is that science has evidence that proves it's right. there isn't faith to believe that evolution occured or whatever, that's bullshit. you don't have to do the fucking experiment yourself to have ''passed the faith stage''
people say they have faith in religion...the reason they have faith is because there isn't any evidence
your missing my point. unless YOU have seen the evidence with your own eyes, how do you know the evidence is right? your still trusting what someone else tells you. do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a scientist has never lied to you or to the public? scientists are humans, and humans make mistakes. its our nature. nobody's perfect.
your not saying that scientists have never made mistakes are you?
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: PurpleKush]
#5438233 - 03/24/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a bit of an existential straw man to pull the "omg, we can't trust anyone, nothing can be believed, it isn't really real".
Religion was the answer to most/all questions for man before he developed science. Now science answers most of the questions. I think many religious leaders tend to resent this. And instead of focusing on the core of what religion should be about, compassion and tolerance, we get churches telling their followers how to vote. We get religions lobbying against science. We get "Intelligent Design".
Hopefully in the next few hundred years it will sort itself out and religion will become a private thing for people so inclined and not a crusade against the non-believers.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: unbeliever]
#5438261 - 03/24/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read that whole thing and there was no punchline?
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: badchad]
#5438271 - 03/24/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: I read that whole thing and there was no punchline?

Better?
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: DNKYD]
#5438416 - 03/24/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: Amen!
Oh, the irony!
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: SleepAid]
#5438712 - 03/24/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SleepAid said: Christians... They're like fish in a barrel...
/agree, but why stop there, every religion out there is under a delusion that all powerful being(s) watch over us.
The one thing that bothers me the most isn't their belief in a fancy version of santa clause, but the fact they are so against any real discussions about beliefs IF it challenges their own.
So its easier to grow up believing what you were taught as a child to believe, and never question it.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: Thor]
#5438761 - 03/24/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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People believe in god and going to heaven and living eternity in happiness on the other side because it sucks to think that when you die thats it lights out nothing else is gonna happen. Without religion life isnt even worth living. Im not a die hard bible thumper or anything but id like to believe theres more to the story than just dieing.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: unbeliever]
#5438785 - 03/24/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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unbeliever said: It's a bit of an existential straw man to pull the "omg, we can't trust anyone, nothing can be believed, it isn't really real".
Religion was the answer to most/all questions for man before he developed science. Now science answers most of the questions. I think many religious leaders tend to resent this. And instead of focusing on the core of what religion should be about, compassion and tolerance, we get churches telling their followers how to vote. We get religions lobbying against science. We get "Intelligent Design".
Hopefully in the next few hundred years it will sort itself out and religion will become a private thing for people so inclined and not a crusade against the non-believers.
thats how i practice my beliefs. i dont attend church regularly, i dont try to force this on other people, and im not neccesarily defending the church either. im only interested in my human right to have my own beliefs.
religion isn't even the word i would use. i dont need some ranking system of people telling me what i already know about the bible over and over. id rather find my own path to god.
true, some churches are all about the money and theres a lot of corruption. but that doesnt mean that the whole premise of a god is wrong.
i wasnt saying we cant trust anyone, i was just making a point that scientists are humans that practice science, just like the humans who practice "religion". people make mistakes. how many times has modern science proven that science just 100 years ago was wrong? where do you think we will be in another 100 years? the world used to be flat and at the center of the universe, remember?
and science can't disprove god. at least they haven't yet. i cant imagine not believing theres something else out there that we just wont ever be able to define. thats pretty depressing to me. my beliefs give my life meaning, and it doesnt hurt you at all.
so no hard feelings, just dont attack me for what i believe. and i promise if science DOES ever disprove god, you can slap the shit out me and call me an idiot all you want. but theres no need to talk shit about someone else's beliefs. if we all believed the same things, life would be pretty fucking boring, wouldn't it? 
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: PurpleKush]
#5438800 - 03/24/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It doesnt matter if jesus god and heaven and hell is real. What matters is that the bible is a good solid foundation for what humanity should be. Even if there is no god and jesus was just a really awesome guy that new how life should be lived and has a perfect idea of how people should behave towards eachother, doesnt that deserve worship itself?
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: Psychoslut]
#5438841 - 03/24/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck the bible.
I'll live by the 10 commandments. I don't want to hear some bullshit about some crazy guy who thinks God told him to build a ship and carry around a bunch of animals.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5438851 - 03/24/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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But what do you know?
Asshole.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: Psychoslut]
#5438864 - 03/24/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said: doesnt that deserve worship itself?
If it is so, why would it need worship? why does it need to be acted upon? why can it not just be a personal understanding which isnt disseminated through prayer, church and preaching?
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5438905 - 03/24/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"....you can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice!! You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will"
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5438932 - 03/24/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok.
Hella, i agree with that there are so many things wrong with that story you couldnt shake a stick at it.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: Konnrade]
#5439002 - 03/24/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Konnrade said: Yes, you're not full of ignorant stereotypes. Not in the least.
You do realize you're making generalizations about a group of people you have a less-than-total understanding of, don't you? Christians aren't all as stupid as the one who wrote that tract... no more than black people are all criminals or moochers (which of course they aren't). But opposing religions are easier to hate. There are people to support you when you openly generalize them... so you think it's okay to be prejudiced for some reason.
Try and think before saying something stupid and hate-filled.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: lysergicide]
#5439035 - 03/24/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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-Try and think
Thats probably too much to ask.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: Psychoslut]
#5439044 - 03/24/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said: It doesnt matter if jesus god and heaven and hell is real. What matters is that the bible is a good solid foundation for what humanity should be. Even if there is no god and jesus was just a really awesome guy that new how life should be lived and has a perfect idea of how people should behave towards eachother, doesnt that deserve worship itself?
I guess you skipped over Leviticus.
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Re: Having a little fun with christianity [Re: PurpleKush]
#5439050 - 03/24/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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PurpleKush said:
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duggan18 said: ^^ the difference is that science has evidence that proves it's right. there isn't faith to believe that evolution occured or whatever, that's bullshit. you don't have to do the fucking experiment yourself to have ''passed the faith stage''
people say they have faith in religion...the reason they have faith is because there isn't any evidence
your missing my point. unless YOU have seen the evidence with your own eyes, how do you know the evidence is right? your still trusting what someone else tells you. do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a scientist has never lied to you or to the public? scientists are humans, and humans make mistakes. its our nature. nobody's perfect.
your not saying that scientists have never made mistakes are you?
very very rarely. and that's a fact. you're the one who's missing the point. by your logic, it's pointless to read books, it's pointless to go on the internet, pointless to listen to whatever anyone else says, because they COULD be wrong.
you're trying to make a comparison that doesn't work.
hell, how do we even know what we see with our own eyes is real? for all we know everything could ''dissappear'' whenever someone isn't looking. take a philosophy class.
have you ever heard of the ''scientific method?''
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