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need help with cheap kit
    #5202305 - 01/20/06 10:35 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

okay well, after a very long *drought* in my area, I decided to explore the possibilities of growing my own mushies.
so I came across a very inexpensive grow kit on ebay, which promised ease of use for a small cost.  at the moment I don't have the available funds or space to go all out with a proper growth setup, so I decided it was worth $15 to try it out, even if it doesn't work.
Here's what I got:
a 1 quart tupperware tub, pre-sterilized and filled with popcorn which has been boiled for some time, softening and expanding it (but not popping it). 
The lid of the tub has a self-healing injection site, and a small white filter patch for FAE.

the instructions said to inject "your favorite edible mushroom spores", wait for the mycelium to spread all over the substrate, then shake it up so as to evenly distribute.  once the substrate is completely covered in white, I'm supposed to cover the top with the included casing material (which looks like some sort of soil/verm mix) and then wait.  once pins are seen, I'm supposed to take the lid off the tub, and just set it back on top without sealing it.

Now, I knew this was a rudimentary setup (at best!) when I bought it, but like I said, I thought I would give it a try.  Other people have bought it on ebay, and I checked the seller's feedback.  most people who bought the kit were pleased with the results, but I'd like to get an experts opinion on anything I can do to improve my chances.
I bought a spore syringe, and I plan on using 1 cc and storing the rest until I can get a kit that I know will def. work.

any help is appreciated!  and wish me luck! :smile:


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5202343 - 01/20/06 10:49 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

follow your directions, but after injecting your "edible mush spores", make sure your setup is in complete darkness at a temp. of 80 to 86 degrees.


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: Fraggin]
    #5202350 - 01/20/06 10:51 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

How big is the "kit"?


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5202364 - 01/20/06 10:55 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

generaly the feedback that people leave is because they're thrilled that they
recieved the product and it was as described and for $15. most people here hate
kits, we all see them as a rip off, for $15 dollars you could buy enough material
to make several, popcorn is cheap, unfortunately vermiculite is difficult to
find n some markets so you may have gone the route of fewer headaches.

with the instruction you've typed one thing that was omitted was the amount of
spore solution you've injected, generaly about 1cc is sufficient (after a
thourough shaking of the syringe) too much solution can cause a bacterial contam
once the mycelium is fully colonied and you add ther casing mix (verm/soil?)
you need to fan the casing 3-4 times each day to promote growth, now a little
trick about the casing mix, if it's too wet, you'll probably grow green mold,
a good reason to sterilize it after you wet it, in wetting it, add just a litte
water at a time until it's moist but not really wet, again, too wet=contams

good luck, and if you have extra spore solution, read the FAQ and learn about the PF tek


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5202400 - 01/20/06 11:10 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

some of the feedback people had left was just a "quick shipping, thanks" type of feedback. I was paying more attention to those that mentioned some sort of success in growth.

I was planning on using no more than 1cc, as that seems to be the standard amongst everything I've read. my hope is that even if it doesn't work, I'll still have enough spores left over to try again.

now, you've mentioned a few things I didn't know about. first off, wetting the casing material: how? right now it's very dry, and being stored in a zip bag. when? right before I add it? and along those lines, my instructions said I just need to evenly cover the top of the substrate with the casing... is that correct?

The kit is 1 quart in size. approx. half filled with the corn substrate.


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5202544 - 01/20/06 12:07 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

check out this link.. http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/3171 and read threw it.. you need to atleast read the basics or your just wasting your time.. casings are easy.. just scary at first. just remember a lil to dry is better than to wet.. and once you get some prints of your own and do up more casings youll get use to the right moisture content. and read up on liquid caltures and BUY YOUR SPORES FROM A SHROOMERY VENDOR!!! NOT EBAY!!


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5202557 - 01/20/06 12:10 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

You havent opened it right? don't open it whatever you do!
Did the spores come with it?
Inject 1cc and leave at 80-86F until you see some white growth, leave until it is about 20% white then shake up and leave until it is 100% white, then leave 1-2days more to be certain. The casing may not be sterile. You should gradually add water until you can only get a few drips from it when squeezed. I would microwave it until steaming in the bag, then allow to cool completely, then put it on top of the colonised grain evenly, pressing down very lightly.

Then read the FAQs, you have plenty of time to read!


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5202678 - 01/20/06 12:50 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

psilocriss said:
wetting the casing material: how?




I usualy take a cup of water and add it slowly, a few tablespoons at a time, mix
it in well each time you add it, when it starts feeling damp, add less each time,
a teaspoon or so. once you're able to grab up a handful and squeeze it and a few
drops should form but not really fall from between your fingers, at that point add
2 more teaspoons of water and microwave it for about 8-10 minutes


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5202952 - 01/20/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

awesome. Hey thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm still waiting on my spores, so I still have a little time before my experiment begins. Oh here's another question: regulating temperature: what are some methods for doing this? my house is usually around 65 degrees F, so I need to get my kit to about 80-85, right?


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5203000 - 01/20/06 02:25 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

since it's small, wrap it in a towel or aluminum foil and place it on top of your monitor ot TV, another good location is on top of your water heater


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5203123 - 01/20/06 02:51 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

^^^Ooooh... good idea! thanks. honestly that's kind of the thing that has been weighing on my mind the heaviest.
I'll keep everyone updated on the progress of this. should be an interesting experience!

If it doesn't work (and honestly, probably even if it does) I'm going to try the pf tek next. I spent some time reading it this afternoon, and it seems like a really comprehensive set of instructions.


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5204181 - 01/20/06 08:08 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

i got the same kit my first time, and had some good success. first off, BE SURE TO MICROWAVE YOUR DUNG CASING!!! (this was very important!) and i recomend that you use a sterile syringe of distilled water to moisten your kit via injection(so not to open your kit to extra contamination). also, i used both hydrogen peroxide (35%) and alchohol (91%) to sterilize the jar. Buy some rubber gloves and use ALL THE TIME. soak a new sponge with alchohol to frequently wipe your gloves thuroughly thru-out your sterilization and inoculation proccesses.

......well, my first time i yeilded enough to get me and my friends to level 2 or 3 (not sure which for sure) 3 times. i didnt have a scale at the time, but i'm guessing that i got over 1/2oz my first time. (I used Mazatepic my first time because i heard of their tenancy to be beginner friendly, and potent.)

good luck, and if you do it right you are sure to be hooked. :P


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5204477 - 01/20/06 09:51 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

ok, wtf people, fruiting off of corn? we all know this is not a good idea... why hasn't that been mentioned?
corn doesn't have enough nutes to support good fruiting... with almost any mushroom. golden oysters and reiishi are the only ones that fruit even decently.


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: NESpores]
    #5206409 - 01/21/06 01:13 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

.....and this is why the kit comes with a dung casing mix.


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5413444 - 03/17/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so, it took a loooong time, but the mycelia (sp?) finally covered all of the corn, and I covered the top with the casing. I didn't use completely sterilized water, I used water from a brita filter to moisten the casing mixture.
And now, I have a few pinheads sprouting up!
Now that it seems to be actually working, any other suggestions in terms of light, temperature, etc?


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: psilocriss]
    #5413525 - 03/17/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Light- 12/12
Temp- 72-76


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Re: need help with cheap kit [Re: sivad02487]
    #5434132 - 03/23/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

okay, got a few mushies grown.
I'll get pictures up soon, but let me try to describe what's going on...
1. Have a TON of small mushies growing down the sides of the jar, in the corn. so I wrapped the jar, up to the top of the substrate, with aluminum foil.
2. the top of my casing mix is getting overgrown with white, fuzzy material which I assume is more mycelia?
3. 2 mushies grew from the top casing layer- one was very thin, and grew to about 2 1/2 inches tall, the other has a VERY thick stem, and sort of grew lop-sided. half of the cap seemed to be stuck in the casing layer, so the gills were pointed sideways, instead of being directed downwards. (does this description make sense?)

anyway, the caps separated from the stem, and they were sort of flattened out, so I picked them, and they are currently drying.
I'm hoping that I'll start getting some more sprouting up soon...


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