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submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace
#5434036 - 03/23/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you relax and breathe and take your time, you will see that they are inside of you.
*TAKE A BREATH AND LOOK*
They are inside of you and outside of you. They litter the universe. I was outside right now in some sort of springtime trance and a wave of peace came over me from nowhere~~Even in the midst of all the troubling thoughts I've been having~~
Never forget that you can find peace from within yourself it is all about the pace at which you are doing what you are doing. Totally relax and look and feel the world immediately surrounding you. Which I can no longer due from in front of this computer.
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: gluke bastid]
#5434525 - 03/23/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree it's about pace.
Part of the sacrifice of living in this world is that we are all forced to go at a very unnatural pace. "Constant over stimulation numbs me......"
I mean the TV never lets your brain get a rest, bam bam bam it is all cut and edited to exact rhythmns that never let you calm down, the tv shows are edited FOR commercials..... they are deliberately designed so that commercials can be intricately woven into them. The commercials themselves are intricately designed so as to be very fast paced, ruthless, and over-stimulating.
You know..... it's not just TV though. It's our over reliance on "time" it's the fact that you can't go ANYWHERE without being connected to the media....... people hop in the cars and turn on the radio or pop in CDs... they go for a walk and listen to ipods. You go to a store and ads are everywhere..... you walk on the streets and people are thumping fat beats.
Our collective minds are wired to the media frequency and this forfeits the concept of "pace".
Do you remember when you were young, and that when you would do something, it wouild be ALL that you were doing? If you were at a baby-sitters and playing in her backyard, that's ALL you were doing and it was completely zen, and you probably didn't even realize it at the time because those trance-like peaceful moments are suppposed to be NORMAL.
You spend hours playing and when you're done you go inside. And you're on YOUR OWN FREQUENCY, and everyone is on the SAME FREQUENCY everyone is following the same pace by simply living in the PRESENT.
But how do you live in the present now when you drive to a party, on the way there you have the radio on. Before you left you had the TV on. When you get there they have the TV on. It's all permeating..... our minds are divorced from the present.
If you're walking. YOu aren't walking. You're just waiting for yourself to be somewhere else. And when you're somewhere else you aren't there, you're just waiting for yourself to be done with whatever you are doing. When you are in class you aren't learning. You're waiting to be home. When you're home you're hooked up to a radiation box, television or computer. Or maybe listening to tunes.
Is it any wonder that you cannot clear your head of thoughts, that songs are stuck in your mind, always?
This is mainly written about me, as I find myself trapped in such things even having divorced myself largely from the commercialized world.
---------------------- But peace? Well, there are times when every single fiber of my body becomes completely soft and I feel just very very nice. The last time it happened was between a string of alcohol induced nightmares when I decided to use "liberation" as my mantra. It worked, I went in and out of conscious-like semi-sleeps and all the while grew softer and softer.
It is more than possible but it seems like you almost have to get there accidentally. You don't meditate to be peaceful. You meditate to meditate... and somewhere along the lines peace just comes and finds you. But if you're like "damn where is my inner peace?" and that's all you're thinking about it's rather elusive.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: leery11]
#5440147 - 03/25/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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leery11: im gonna make a thread dedicated to you about this, because your situation is a prevelant one in this society and often misunderstood. i will title it "what is time?"
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: Maitereya]
#5440394 - 03/25/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its one's own responsibility to consciously choose that which one is to engage in and the effects that such interaction will have upon oneself.
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But how do you live in the present now when you drive to a party, on the way there you have the radio on.
By continuing to consciously keep one's awareness within the presence? Presence and awareness do not result from any external circumstance and they are not diminished by any external circumstance. Do not blame anything other than oneself for an inability to maintain focus and one's center within one's center in being. Its your choice, whether or not you exercise it.
 Peace.
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: gluke bastid]
#5440463 - 03/25/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Think about silence.. and silence you will get!" -Unknown :P
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: fireworks_god]
#5441482 - 03/25/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Do not blame anything other than oneself for an inability to maintain focus and one's center within one's center in being. Its your choice, whether or not you exercise it.
I don't agree with your choice of words. I would never "blame" myself for being unable to maintain focus, although I agree it is my responsibility and my responsibility alone to live in accordance with the true pace of life. I also agree that when you are watching TV or are stuck in a traffic jam you are living at a human ego designed pace and not a natural harmonious pace. Even Zen teachers will tell you that your mind can't always be clear because there are always ego driven things that need to be tended to.
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: gluke bastid]
#5441996 - 03/25/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Do not blame anything other than oneself for an inability to maintain focus and one's center within one's center in being. Its your choice, whether or not you exercise it.
I don't agree with your choice of words. I would never "blame" myself for being unable to maintain focus, although I agree it is my responsibility and my responsibility alone to live in accordance with the true pace of life. I also agree that when you are watching TV or are stuck in a traffic jam you are living at a human ego designed pace and not a natural harmonious pace. Even Zen teachers will tell you that your mind can't always be clear because there are always ego driven things that need to be tended to.
The less distractions you have the more you are yourself.
When you turn on the radio you turn off your mind. This is because turning on the radio signifies an insatistifaction with the present moment and a desire to be entertained through escapsim.
This is different if you actively listen to music and attain a meditational attachment to the sounds, such as psychedelics would naturally induce..... hoever this is NOT possible with the radio or television because of commercial interruption and the fact that you do not know where commercials are going to pop up and they are entirely dissonant.
It's like if you're meditating and randomly someone comes in and starts talking to you.... this is the effect modernized society has on the mind.
and no it is not my "fault" that I have difficulties finding inner peace, it is a result of my upbringing and conditioning to be constantly distracted with trivial interactions. It's like you're conditioned to push a "i don't want to focus" button every 15 seconds and you don't even realize you are pushing.
but i have responsibility NOW to clean my mind up and free myself from excessive distractions and I choose to do so and have weaned myself off of many hollow activities which I don't really find meaningful to engage in.
The radio is fine, but the way society is set up to be constantly overstimulated is not, and the radio is a direct reflection, it is a disease.
I will make a pertinent illustration. When you are young and you watch television you are immersed in it, if it is paced properly it can induce trance states. I recall watching Sesame Street or Eureka's castle and they had this REALLY trippy segment that just came out of nowhere where these little ants were making neat patterns to music. I was completely enveloped in it.
The natural brain can easily fall into patterns and take refuge in them in peaceful manners. The child brain is completely engrossed in an almost psychedelic way with music it hears.
However the conditioned adult brain MURDERS his own capacity to attain such states because he is CONSTANTLY OVER SATURATED with meaningless noise and chatter. It comforts him. The television is his serene ocean. Silence is disturbing. Turning the television off is disturbing.
Even if you aren't watching it you leave it on while you type on the computer so you can idly listen to it. I used to HAVE to have the TV on when I was on the computer because if someone would turn it off I just wasn't used to there being silence in the room.
I soaked it all in without question. Now this is more troublesome given that television is a prostiute and is sending millions of pro-governmental messages at you constantly.... but that's another issue.
What I'm trying to say is that we have lost the capacity to attain natural stillness and silence through over-bombardment and stimulation of our sensory organs.
Show someone who never saw TV in their entire lives a television and they'd TRIP OUT.
For us even if we're having dinner or chatting with friends the TV is on.
It's ...... masturbating until you have no seminal fluids left and lack any sensation of pleasure, yet continuing to do it anyway and not remembering that there was another way.
This is all spoken in extremes, people are only fragments of what I describe but it is all perv-ertedly-alent in anyone who has TUNED INTO the media frequency.
I think I need to research television and brainwaves because I believe watching it messes with your alpha waves but I don't remember ..........
I believe all of this is true, but I know it is exagerrated.... It's the only way I can really explain what I have personally observed.
Let's say television is 65% evil. Society has accepted it as its mechanical child..... and thus society views it as maybe 20% evil. Therefore I'm trying to portray it as 97% evil to make points to those who haven't really thought about this.
If you have detached from the media world (not abandoned but have stopped taking seriously) then you might be like "yeah this is all obvious and you're blowing it out of proportion" but most people don't realize this obvious, they dont' realize it at all because the only generations that weren't born into the womb of the matrix (yes this is the matrix, this is the starting of the matrix, not literally, but in terms of being born immersed and attached to and controlled by machines, YES) are old and dying.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (03/25/06 07:36 PM)
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: leery11]
#5443363 - 03/26/06 06:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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leery11 said: The less distractions you have the more you are yourself.
We will forever be admist a sea of sensory data. I do not buy this statement.
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When you turn on the radio you turn off your mind. This is because turning on the radio signifies an insatistifaction with the present moment and a desire to be entertained through escapsim.
Turning on a radio can signify a great variety of things, all dependant on your own mind. The action itself conveys nothing. It is entirely possible to turn on a radio and listen to it, not as an attempt to fufill an unsatisfaction with the present moment, but as a means to consciously choose to alter the present moment, without being attached to doing so.
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This is different if you actively listen to music and attain a meditational attachment to the sounds, such as psychedelics would naturally induce.....
Meditational attachment? Two words together that cannot make sense. 
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hoever this is NOT possible with the radio or television because of commercial interruption and the fact that you do not know where commercials are going to pop up and they are entirely dissonant.
There is nothing inherent in commericals or television that means that they cannot be focused upon and experienced with one's direct perceptions, and that one cannot remain present in doing so. If they were entirely dissonant and confusing, then one would not make identify with it, thus, the commercial wouldn't work, thus, no commercials.
I also seriously question your statement that commercials are entirely dissonant. Commericals are effective in that they relate to an image that the target audience will identify with.
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It's like if you're meditating and randomly someone comes in and starts talking to you.... this is the effect modernized society has on the mind.
This is the effect of being exposed to sensory data without being capable of directing one's focus and maintaining one's state of mind while receiving sensory data. Sensory data has existed long before this "modernized society". The entire point is that one's peace and center in being/present moment should not lie contingent on any sensory data, no matter how frenzied the signals. It is your choice, and no sensory data beyond that of physical pain should should stand in one's way.
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and no it is not my "fault" that I have difficulties finding inner peace, it is a result of my upbringing and conditioning to be constantly distracted with trivial interactions.
Bullshit! The mind is a tool that one develops, just like a muscle. Determination and disclipine is the exercise, and focus, presence, and awareness is the reward. It is your choice to exercise and develop it. Continuing to find fault in the sensory data that you grant the ability to prevent you from "inner peace" is the problem that is preventing you from it, and it underscores the fact that you are not developing your mind.
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The radio is fine, but the way society is set up to be constantly overstimulated is not, and the radio is a direct reflection, it is a disease.
Overstimulation, eh? I think the problem is that the mind is not effectively stimulated enough. If a bunch of flickering lights and voices from a tv is overstimulation, then god forbid I should ever consume some mushrooms, more directly perceive through my senses, and fully engage myself in a walk through the wilderness. 
 Peace.
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: fireworks_god]
#5443429 - 03/26/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes, fireworks. And everybody is easily able to meditate next to a highway, along an airport while rush-hour and cheerleader-training
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5445999 - 03/27/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yah a trained meditator can meditate anywhere, its just about being able to let it go and let it all happen
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: fresh313]
#5446402 - 03/27/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: yah a trained meditator can meditate anywhere, its just about being able to let it go and let it all happen
This is true, but most of todays youth arent taught how to meditate. They don't know how to sit in a quiet room and be still.
They have never had to entertain themself with out some form of electronic gizmo.
Playing outside with friends is becomming an oddity. Everyone is watching movies, TV or playing video games.
I think this is the point that leery11 was getting at.
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5446651 - 03/27/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: yes, fireworks. And everybody is easily able to meditate next to a highway, along an airport while rush-hour and cheerleader-training
That's the problem, naturally, and it isn't the highway, the airport, or the cheerleaders to blame, either.
If one can only maintain a preferred state of mind while not interacting with the world, then what is the fucking point? Its very easy to blame that which serves as a barrier in one's meditation, and doing so is, in itself, the problem.
Those who meditate, who have their focus distracted by a thought, are told to not dwell upon the thought, and are to instead bring focus away from it and back into themselves, or whatever. That is the point.
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Re: submerge yourself in deep blue oceans of peace [Re: fireworks_god]
#5447130 - 03/27/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The point is, that everyone who is not guru or enlightened or master of meditation IS distracted more and more, intentionally by the media, better said, the guys behind. There is no natural balance anymore, one has to search occasions or places to escape the 'Punch and Judy show'. Let's see, when they start beaming their slogans through our windows on our walls.
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