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Freedom and Meth
    #5433919 - 03/23/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

IMO adults should have the Freedom to purchase marijuana.
And I'm optimistic that we will have the freedom to do that in my lifetime.

But should adults have the Freedom to purchase Meth at the local corner store?

I say no. Personally i had a hard time with it, and I think it would be a mistake to give Americans that Freedom.


P.S i have been told that although i had problems with it many people are able to use Meth with no consequences.

is that true?


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5433949 - 03/23/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've never had a problem with meth, despite using it for many years. But it destroyed the lives of so many people around me that I eventually decided that simply being around the stuff wasn't worth it.

should people have the freedom to buy meth? I don't think so. it destroys 9 out of 10 people's lives that it touches. Not only that, it destroys communities. How many times has a pothead stolen someone's stereo to buy more pot? Because meth heads and cokeheads steal/scam shit ALL THE TIME where I live.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5433992 - 03/23/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think people should be able to do anything they want. But if it's in their system during the commission of a crime, public hanging should be the sentence.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5434047 - 03/23/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

People have the right to consume amphetamines legally as medicine. Why not recreationally?

What people to to their own body is no conern of mine.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Redstorm]
    #5434080 - 03/23/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This has always been a tough one for me. On paper I'd like everyone to have the absolute freedom to do whatever they want to their bodies, including suicide if they want. But when I apply that and consider the people in my life that I love and care about.. it gets hard to stick to it.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Redstorm]
    #5434179 - 03/23/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"What people to to their own body is no concern of mine."


maybe you are right, freedom is freedom.

we should have the freedom to destroy ourselves.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5434183 - 03/23/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The little corner store? No. But I think that it doctors should be able to prescribe it to addicts.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Silversoul]
    #5434189 - 03/23/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fuck addicts. addicts are people who can't accept the fact that what comes up must come down. They are weak pussies with no willpower. No one just stumbles into an addiction by accident. It takes deliberate effort.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Silversoul]
    #5434192 - 03/23/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
The little corner store? No. But I think that it doctors should be able to prescribe it to addicts.



I totally disagree. If anyone should not be allowed to have it, it's addicts.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5434236 - 03/23/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:

maybe you are right, freedom is freedom.

we should have the freedom to destroy ourselves.




Exactly. It's not illegal to drink a bottle of bleach, why should drugs be any different. People can do what they want as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Revelation]
    #5434575 - 03/23/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The problem I would have is people turning to crime because of the addiction.. but if you remove the criminal element by making it legal, that would probably go a long way to making it safer and less impactful on other people. So yeah, legalize meth. heh.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: unbeliever]
    #5434782 - 03/23/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think it should be initially allowed for all, but if you mess up and start fucking up your life or others then they should not let you.


and i think jugging bleach is prolly illegal, something to do with using a product for reasons other then those found on the directions. or is that just pills and stuff?


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: guri]
    #5434962 - 03/23/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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guri said:
i think it should be initially allowed for all, but if you mess up and start fucking up your life or others then they should not let you.





There is actually quite an extensive legal history of just this kind of thing where people are found to be incapable of responsibly handling certain freedoms and thus lose them based on their own personal history.

I think you should be free to take anything you want until you fuck up. The whole notion that drug use leads to crime (other than the use itself) smacks disgustingly of prior restraint, which is a legal anathema in most other cases. The only thing I would change about the above is that they should most certainly be allowed to fuck themselves up. With no expectation of government rescue. The Salvation Army may want to help them but I call them organ donors.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5435162 - 03/23/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's fundamentally reprehensible and offensive to legislate morality and by so doing to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their own body.

Look around you. Most of what's wrong with the world today results from the attitude that imposing one's ideals on others is right.

If you don't like meth, don't do meth. It's simple.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Diploid]
    #5435378 - 03/23/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
It's fundamentally reprehensible and offensive to legislate morality and by so doing to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their own body.

Look around you. Most of what's wrong with the world today results from the attitude that imposing one's ideals on others is right.

If you don't like meth, don't do meth. It's simple.




You obviously do not live in an area where meth is a problem and greatly effects non-users in society. A few places that come to mind are central Illinois and other semi-rural midwestern areas. They have serious problems with robbery, murder, rape, and child neglect all tied to meth culture. Until you see it, it is hard to understand the scope of the problem.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Catalysis]
    #5435442 - 03/23/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

meth is a problem

The problem is not meth. The problem is prohibition.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Catalysis]
    #5435457 - 03/23/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My friend here has used meth for years and it hasn't had any negative effects what so ever.




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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Catalysis]
    #5435903 - 03/23/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Catalysis said:
You obviously do not live in an area where meth is a problem and greatly effects non-users in society. A few places that come to mind are central Illinois and other semi-rural midwestern areas. They have serious problems with robbery, murder, rape, and child neglect all tied to meth culture. Until you see it, it is hard to understand the scope of the problem.



For these reasons, I think it is reasonable to impose a hefty tax on meth to pay for the social costs incurs. This way, much of the profit from meth sales goes into fighting the problems it creates.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: Silversoul]
    #5436009 - 03/23/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does anybody support having the government open up "drug clinics" where people can walk in and get high? Here's the catch... 1 out of every certain amount of hits would contain fatal chemicals which would kill the user. Eventually the junkies and the tweakers would kill themselves off.


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Re: Freedom and Meth [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5436396 - 03/23/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

how about we make meth legal but also make it legal to shoot meth heads on sight?

sorry to sound overly cynical but meth addicts are not human to me. they are animals. And they choose to become as such.


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