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the_psychonaut
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shroomausca worth the risk?
#5431708 - 03/22/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i was thinking of ordering some syrian rue seeds, and mixing them with some mush, but im not sure exactly how dangerous this could be. i know about the interactions with thyramine(spelling?) that can cause a hypertensive attack. but am unsure how easily this could happen. i was thinking 2grams of syrian rue, and 3.5 of mush. i am not worryed about the trip being too intense, as i am looking for the spiritual voyage of my life, but i dont want it to cost my life either. any help from experienced people would be greatly appreciated, and any tips//things to avoid besides whats mentioned above would be awsome
thanx in advance
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Its not dangerous unless you dont know what the hell you are doing. Ayahuasca for example is not one bit dangerous if done the right way.
Really
Just abide by the typical dietary and drug restrictions for 24 hours, and you will trip very hard off of that without even subtle discomfort beyond the fact that if the rue is really good, you will trip VERY hard and it will last for a longer time than mushrooms usually do by themselves. Maois are not dangerous unless you know nothing about them. 2.5 grams is enough for full maoi inhibition, anything more and you will certainly feel the hallucinogenic effects of syrian rue to some degree. Not that this feeling is not present when you only use 2 grams. You will likely feel the shrooms 1.5 times more easily, plus an added set of effects. If you used 3 grams, you can bet that your trip will be almost 2 times as intense or more intense than that (for some).
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: stemmer]
#5431804 - 03/22/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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eat dinner before 8, dont eat, fall asleep, wake up, keep busy, shroom around 6-8pm and you will be more than safe.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: astabooty]
#5435121 - 03/23/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It may be dangerous if you underestimate the punch this combo packs. Dangerous in the sense that a "normal" bad trip in this case may become a shattering experience. I have tried it 4 times, I wouldn't say it has become my method of choice, but I have been deeply amazed all the 4 times, and I will definitely do it over and over again from time to time. My experience with syrian rue is clearly different from pure shrooming as well as from other shrooms-MAOI combinations. I believe, it's not just about plain double potentiation of a shroom dose. Talks about natural beta-carbolines' own psychedelic potential are based on solid grounds, that's for sure. I would say it's DEFINITELY worth a try, just be double careful about your preparedness to the trip. Have a good time and take care.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: shneck]
#5436031 - 03/23/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know, I am always afraid of accidently not following the dietary restrictions. I have a pretty junky habbit - always afraid that something is going to slip in, as my primary source of food seems to be fruit, cheese,bread, meat 
Suppose I could aways just do the 24hr fast. But, I am curious of trying this combo soon also myself.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: kaniz]
#5436064 - 03/23/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 word ABSOLUTLY, ive takin ayahousca prepirations both acording to traditional means and with inclusion of psilocibe mushrooms, syrian rue best recomendation but mind you taste worst this way but mush smoother on the digestive system. DO NOT EAT THEM make tea from it. crush them lil buggers up and put them in a folded coffee filter and boil for about an hour. another option you may wish to consider is that Harmaline and Harmala are EASY to purify if you have some decent pyrex bowls and a reasonably well stocked pantry(vinigar and salt baby) anyways ive takin up to 5 grams of rue processed with a single ayahousca dose and IMO definatly worth it.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: ssjwizard]
#5436534 - 03/23/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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just order some syrian rue so i can do dmt again.
question, if i grind the syrian rue and put them in gel caps, taking them over an hour (3-5grams), would that reduce the nausea? drinking that shit was so terrible.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: astabooty]
#5436796 - 03/24/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i agree imo it taste like stale sour urine. the thing is there are many other compounds in the seeds themself that are not water soliuble which are the chems primarily responsible for the discomfort experenced while consuming rue seed. grinding and caping them will help with the sharp pains you might experence from them pokin ya but it would not help with the chemical side effects. now one thing you can do is boil the seeds strain them and allow the fluid to evaporate off in a dust caped jar(cofee filter works for this) and scrape it up into gel caps or other medium of choice
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: ssjwizard]
#5438421 - 03/24/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sooooooo ive looked at the list of foods to avoid, and i cant think of any type of food that ISNT on there! what food can i eat if i got hungry during this experience?
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Yeast Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are spread on bread or mixed with water, Brewer's yeast, or Yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed. Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
So my answer is bread. You need to know what is in your bread though. For example, Soy and marmite is found in some breads.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: stemmer]
#5439354 - 03/24/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sooooo...bread is it? ok. anyone know about wonder bread?
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I used generic hot dog buns and ate so little for a day and a half that I would basically consider it to be fasting.
This was with ayahuasca though, so the maoi dose was much higher, but I even consumed small amounts of this bread even while drinking the ayahuasca teas to prevent nausea. It worked like a charm. Rue instead of caapi, and the fact that I at bread with this large dose made it so I didnt puke, and tripped for a longer period of time.
Im not to sure about wonder bread. My guess is that it is ok to use, but I have no way of knowing the ingredients.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: stemmer]
#5439426 - 03/24/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had a fairly decent salad about 5 hours before, just spinach, lettuce and sprouts with no dressing, and some organic seasoning that didn't have salt.
I also didn't eat any meat or drink beer the day before.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: Cutter]
#5439556 - 03/24/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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idk personaly i had a full dinner just before my last ayahousca trip and i was ok. although im sure that a properly prepaired body and emptyish stomach would have ben more ideal. good luck.
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: ssjwizard]
#5439655 - 03/24/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldnt recommend a "full" dinner to anyone. Its just a shitty idea.
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the_psychonaut
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Re: shroomausca worth the risk? [Re: stemmer]
#5441698 - 03/25/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i would fast all day, so a meal would be out of the question, but im just kinda worryed id get hungry after not eating all day. is it also true about salt consumption should be minimized?
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