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Questions about how everyone uses there All American...
    #5431435 - 03/22/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The manual says to tighten the wing nuts, but it doesn't say how tight to make them, so I just used vice grips and cranked them as far to the right as I could. I'm kidding. But really, how tight does everyone make them?
Second, how often and how much vaseline do you apply to the seal?
Third, do I need to wash it out after each use?
The manual indicates that the weight should jiggle between 1 and 4 times per minute when the unit is at pressure. Is 6 or 7 okay?
I bought the unit brand new, just got it from AA in WI. The top is getting stuck, I have to use a flat head to remove it. What gives?
Any other tips would be great too.

btw, This is a beautiful piece of equipment, and I have a strong feeling it is going to make my life a hell of a lot easier (my old PC held 4 quart jars.) Thank you to all those who encouraged this purchase over the last year.




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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5431464 - 03/22/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

First, ring the lip with paraffin.

Second, start tightening 2 opposed, then the other 2 opposed from those. Then, tighten the rest clockwise. Then, re-tighten all of them (by hand).

Note, new ones take a little breaking in, until the lid gets a "seat" pattern. Then, they are a bit easier to open.

Third,, order a (sterilizer) toggle release valve from AA.

And, REPLACE THE WEIGHT WITH IT.
Then, PC will not lose moisture & you can PC all night.

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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5431501 - 03/22/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It takes a bit of practice, as well as a break-in period, but the lid should come off without prying with a screwdriver or anything else. Adjust the wingnuts until they just barely get snug, then give each one about 1/8 turn. Don't make them tight. They only need to be tight enough to get a seal.

I use a bit of vaseline about the size of a kernel of corn on my finger to lube the seal. I apply the lube to both the lid and the PC. Be sure to wipe the old vaseline off with a paper towel or by washing. If you don't, dust and dirt stick to the grease and will eventually wear out the seal.

Turn the stove on high, leave the weight off, and allow to warm up until steam escapes for five minutes or so. I wait until I can see a bit of pressure beginning to build on the guage before I put the weight on. Watch the pressure build. At about 13 psi, a hiss will be heard as steam begins to escape. At this point, you can reduce heat slightly because the weight will begin to rattle very soon. I reduce the heat during the cycle anytime the weight rattles. I consider four times per minute too much. Adjust so the constant steam is escaping, but no rattling occurs. This will keep your kitchen much quieter and you'll use less water during the cycle. The rattling of the weight is actually letting excess steam pressure escape. If you're cooking agar and the weight rattles very much at all, the agar will boil over and you'll open the PC to a mess.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5431799 - 03/22/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Great advice RR! As with any weighted PC (5-10-15 psi) 4 giggles is a good target any more and the actual pressure is less than optimum as well as excessive moisture loss. I find it much easier to have it giggle  3-4 times a minute than once as far as adjusting the heat source and at 4 times a minute I've never ran a PC dry except for a heavily loaded WBS bags moment and ran it for 120 minutes (one time). With the guage you adjust heat to keep at 15psi whether it giggles once or for times a minute. RR knows how to seal his AA so follow his advice it won't fail you. :wink:


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: hyphae]
    #5431825 - 03/22/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with agar in that the toggles are far superior!
You don't use a drop of water throughout the cycle, and you can manage pressures very well. Even raise the pressures above 15psi if you choose.


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5431857 - 03/22/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Adjust the wingnuts until they just barely get snug, then give each one about 1/8 turn.  Don't make them tight.  They only need to be tight enough to get a seal.

I use a bit of vaseline about the size of a kernel of corn on my finger to lube the seal.






yes and yes....I did not follow that even though I new better.. :confused:

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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5435814 - 03/23/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks guys! My manual doesn't list a p/n for the toggle release, other than the part number 65 control valve, which is no longer available. As far as the break in period, what do I do in the mean time, because it is loosing a lot of pressure and moisture becasue of the leakage. Should I tighten it very tight to start, so that it doesn't leak? Third, do i use just periffin, instead of vaseline?


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5435843 - 03/23/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks guys! My manual doesn't list a p/n for the toggle release, other than the part number 65 control valve, which is no longer available.




[url=https://store.wafco.com/ezmerchant/home.nsf ]CLICK HERE[/url] and type "65" into the search box. It's still available. :grin:

Thank you Jaeger and Agar for the toggle recommendation :thumbup:

It really does make all the difference in the world. No rattles, hissing or moisture loss. My only issue is that it's so damn quiet, I forget my PC is going sometimes!


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5435854 - 03/23/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Where exactly is it leaking from?
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5435907 - 03/23/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for saving me the hassle of searching for that link :smile:
Whacked has a friggin huge one lol, does that little burner run it well?


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: Jaeger]
    #5435923 - 03/23/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, after a second look, his actually looks like a sterilizer, not a cooker which would mean he already has toggle valves on there. It looks like one of the big electric models, but I could be wrong.


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: FooMan] * 1
    #5437298 - 03/24/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Haha, no it's a 930 PC. I couldn't find a sterilizer, so I just bought this one. It's leaking from the 'exclusive metal-to-metal seal'! Thanks for that link. Howecome the sterilizers have that exhaust tube? Should I order anything else at the same time? I don't know, does the burner run it well: It takes one hour to heat up cool water and exhaust, and one more hour to get up to pressure. ???


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5437473 - 03/24/06 08:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Are you lining up the ARROW on the lid & NOTCH on the pot - correctly?
Be sure to do that.

Also, when you apply the lid. Once, it is in place correctly.
Make sure it is SEATED evenly, all the way around
Before you begin tightening it.


Once you convert the weight to a toggle valve.
It heats up fairly fast, as no steam is escaping.
Your heat/pressure building time is effected by the SIZE & POWER
Of your burner, element, or hot plate.
It appears you have a mini hot plate under that 930.
Get a BIGGER/BETTER hot plate.
Or use a big element, on your stove.
That should SPEED up the process.


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: agar]
    #5437596 - 03/24/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the link for the sterilizer!


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: TheFish]
    #5439454 - 03/24/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes, I am, agar. I check meticulously to make sure it is level - I spent 4 minutes on that this morning, it was absolutley perfect, and I spent an equal amount of time on the previous two runs. I'm trying out the paraffin (Gulf Wax) this morning. And I always made sure that the arrows were lined up. I read the instruction book very carefully. I tightened the wing nuts to snug (not tight) then gave them another 1/8 turn, until I felt that they were all evenly tight, but could go another 1/8th turn if I really cranked them.

*Update* the run this morning didn't go too well - it didn't get past 13 psi, I eventually turned it off, becasue it was leaking around the seal and I was afraid it would run dry. <insert smoking head guy here>


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
    #5439479 - 03/24/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

OKAY, this time RINK the puppies down TIGHT (I mean TIGHT) as you can turn them (by hand).

It should NOT leak then.

Have a broad edge some-thing-or-another (I used the edge of a herky thick stainless steel meat clever)to pry the lid open, once done.

Don't use anything NARROW edged, like a SCREW DRIVER LIP, to pry it open with.

If that doesn't do it. Contact WAFCO & ask for a REPLACEMENT.


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: agar]
    #5439504 - 03/24/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That toggle release valve says it's good for between 23-28 psi. isn't that too high? I have the 915 I believe. It holds 7 quarts and i'm still using the weight which kinda sucks a lot. If I could get it to be quiet that would be great, but I don;t want it to blow up on me either. little help?


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cookeman]
    #5439570 - 03/24/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not that you want to, but I've forgotten about the PC momentarily and had the pressure in upwards of 25psi. The toggle will release the pressure before it gets too high. The little lever will actually pop up and hiss like a weight if you let the pressure get too high. At that point, you just tap the top of it and it will drop back into place. You definitely want to do a low-heat test run to make sure the toggle is working properly.

The toggle makes it MUCH easier to regulate the pressure and I find that it takes alot less heat and adjusting to get right.

I use the toggle on an AA925:



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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cookeman]
    #5439785 - 03/24/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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That toggle release valve says it's good for between 23-28 psi. isn't that too high? I have the 915 I believe. It holds 7 quarts and i'm still using the weight which kinda sucks a lot. If I could get it to be quiet that would be great, but I don;t want it to blow up on me either. little help?




READ DUDE:

The toggle RELEASES PRESSURE @ 23-28 psi.
That is a SAFETY FEATURE.


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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: agar]
    #5439914 - 03/24/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sorry, i assumed that meant it would release pressure as in like the weight would when it would start jiggling. So does it keep the pressure at a set 15 p.s.i.? I guess I just don't understand how it works. i'm really interested though


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