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InvisibleSmokenBabyJesus
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5-htp and shrooms
    #5430606 - 03/22/06 03:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I was wondering if anyone knew if 5-htp (5 hydroxytryptaphan*)
could be added to the substrate to affect mushroom growth..
on another note I was wondering if 5-htp would affect the trip also
I know 5-htp is a precursor to serotonin.... SO..... yeah let me know please


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5430763 - 03/22/06 04:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i havent herd anything on it increasing or affecting a mushroom trip but i herd that it increases the effects of MDMA (ecstacy).

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5436260 - 03/23/06 10:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Cubes hydroxylate tryptamines no?


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5437930 - 03/24/06 11:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, but 5-HYDROXY-tryptophan is already hydroxylated... I don't know if that would work... but I've thought the same thing.


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #5438252 - 03/24/06 12:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah I think i'm gonna have to ask shulgin


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5446055 - 03/27/06 01:22 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I went to shulgin site and it said he was off on a sabbatical... so... i have to Wait for him to get back before I can ask him... so I'll let you know when I get a response...
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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5447579 - 03/27/06 01:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

er.... wrong forum, dude  :rolleyes:


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5448067 - 03/27/06 03:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I've personally never experimented with 5-HTP, so I can't be much help here. This might be an interesting application though. My horse manure shrooms come out so potent that I don't think I would ever want to mess with them anymore.

Let's try and stay on the topic of cultivating with this additive please. If you want to discuss ingestion or the effects of the trip, please post a new thread over in the Psychedelic Experience forum. Thank you.

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5448260 - 03/27/06 04:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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SmokenBabyJesus said:
I was wondering if anyone knew if 5-htp (5 hydroxytryptaphan*)
could be added to the substrate to affect mushroom growth..



This seems to me to be the right forum guys as far as this question is concerned it's the side note that could use a different forum.


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: Wronguy]
    #5448281 - 03/27/06 05:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I want to try adding 5-htp to my substrate thats why I asked... I wanted to know if it would affect the growth of the mushrooms or the potency...
I was also wondering if it had and enhancing affects to the trip...
I just start one Jar with 200 mg of 5-htp in it...
I did not mean to give off the appearance of this having to do only with the trip and chemistry.. I'll let you know how the jar turns out

peace..

*I only did one jar out of fear of it restricting the growth of the Myc... So I'll post the results when there in..

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5451403 - 03/28/06 01:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

umm i dont think that it would do much for potentation but Tryptamine HCL does... almost 10x the psilocybin content and like 5x the psilocin. read the link a grow showed a 3.3% psilocybin content on the shrooms grown with this tek in this article. http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/7953

As for potentiating mushrooms i like to do it post cultivation with the addition of a reversible MAOI like Syrian Rue. I find Harmala to be very effective in this respect

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5466793 - 04/01/06 08:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I saw this chart on another site http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html
and was going to order a bottle of 5-HTP and try it on a bag of substrate so I would be very interested in your results keeps us posted


Figure 4a. Molecular structures of psilocybin and psilocin.
These visionary tryptamines are derived from the amino acid L-tryptophan.



Figure 4b. Molecular structure of amino acid L-tryptophan.
Known chemically as 2-amino-3-indolyl-propanoic acid.

I have see post years old claiming of experiments with tryptamines/5-HTP and such but I cant find any with results,
Mainly scientific papers that say it is passable...
Maybe I didn't look hard enough

This one sounds cool its by Dr.A. Shulgin talking about Jochen Gartz putting tryptamines into mushroom media and coming up with new drugs


However there is a very interesting study that took place in Leipzig about 15 years ago. Jochen Gartz, a mushroom explorer whom I know quite well, has done some fascinating studies with Psilocybe species by raising them on solid media containing strange tryptamines that are alien to the mushroom. Apparently the enzymes that are responsible for the 4-hydroxy group of psilocin are indifferent to what it is they choose to 4-hydroxylate. He has taken things like DPT or DIPT and put them in the growth media and the fruiting bodies that came out contain 4-hydroxy-DPT or 4-hydroxy-DIPT instead of psilocin. In fact, he has a patent on the process. These active compounds are made by the mushroom so they really are natural and yet they never have been observed in nature. I'll give you even odds that if you put spores of a psilocybe species on cow droppings loaded with 5-MeO-DMT you would come out with mushrooms containing 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT. This way you avoid a 10 step synthesis by growing a psychoactive mushroom that contains no illegal drug

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5606119 - 05/08/06 06:44 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Today I saw growth in my 1 pint PF style jar that had 200mg of 5-htp added, it has been 4 weeks since spores were injected.
I'm glad I kept it... hopefully it will colonize completely.
I'll post more in time.

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #6264264 - 11/09/06 05:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

any results yet?

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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: leftover_crack]
    #6264314 - 11/09/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

5-htp isn't going to do anything useful. It would probably hurt potency if anything. 5-htp is already hydroxylated in the 5 position, which will totally prevent it from being 4-hydroxylated. If it participates at all it will just be as a competing reaction which will reduce potency.


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Re: 5-htp and shrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #6264329 - 11/09/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

incredible !

look here : http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5885621/an/0/page/0

just another post, talking about just the same and just about noone who is so pumped
about all this potency enhacement shit never ever actually does anything at all in the end.


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