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How To: Increase LSD Visuals
    #5430534 - 03/22/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This seems to be a pretty common question of "how do I increase the visuals of LSD" (or well, any substance). This post, is a little bit of a 'how to' on how I up the notch on my LSD visuals.

While true, mixing in other substances into the mix such as N2O or Poppers is a sure fire way to up the intensity of your visuals (even if just for a short period of time), doing the below instead of, or in addition to other drugs - I've found to be the best way to really increase the visual nature of my trip. Mind you, its a bit of a 'process', and only lasts as long as you do this.

The short version: Gaze off into the distance like you are day-dreaming, dont focus on anything, and clear your mind of thoughts.

The long version:

1. Find a spot where you can sit and relax, and not need to respond to anything around you - either physically, mentally, or verbally.

2. Find something to look at. This can be a picture, your favorite animation (although I find generally, animation looks less interesting on LSD, but there are a few exceptions), the wall, the trees, the sky, the clouds - just something neat.

3. Dont actually focus on it, get more of a 'blank stare'. Imagine that you are in the most boring class of your life, the teacher is droning on, and on, and on, and you just sort of start spacing at the black board - you sort of see the blackboard, but you are not looking at the black board. You can see that there is writing on it, but you dont focus on it, so you cant read what that writing actually is. Kind of get that 'blank, focus less gaze' at whatever surface/area/whatever you are looking at.

4. Clear your thoughts. This is the tricky bit, but just try and clear your head of any 'active' thinking, and try to quiet your subconscious in the process.

5. Wait

6. As things start to 'happen' in what you are looking at - the patterns will start to animate, unfold, form patterns, etc - fight /every/ urge possible to 'focus' on this activity, as I've found that the moment I focus - it stops. Also, try and not to think about it, and hell - try your best to not even acknowledge that its going on.

It can be very tempting to think ?oh, that thing in the bottom left corner of my view looks interesting? ? and want to shift your focus to it, but in my experience, 99.9% of the time ? whatever I go to look at, stops happening, and I need to start the process all over again.

7. wait ? and do this as LONG as you possibly can. The longer you can keep this up, the more impressive, detailed, intricate, beautiful and meaningful the visuals start to become.

By doing this, I have had entirely new worlds unfold before me and suck me in ? where the sense of myself, and my physical reality is obliterated and I am IN the picture I am looking at, and quite often ? it looks nothing like what the original object was that I was staring at.

This can be tricky, as its always tempting to start thinking about what you are seeing, or to re-focus your attention onto another area, or to even just focus your eyes directly before you ? but all of these things, seem to pull me out from it.

By doing this, I had the below happen (copy-pasting this from an older trip report I posted)

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The patterns in it started to move, and form totally new pictures out of the cat - then those new moving pictures would 'get up and unravel', and form increasingly complex pictures, then a part of the new moving picture would 'pop up' from the rest, unravel, and form a new picture - each one getting increasingly detailed, complex and beautiful - and each one 'sucking' me into the picture - until I was 100% unaware of my surroundings/body/etc - it was just what I was seeing in the cat.

In the end, it was like my brain had an orgasm and was like "wow, thank you for showing me something this beautiful!", it eventually turned into like, a picture into another world - fully animated in the most amazing level of detail.

I wasn?t staring at a cat - it was like staring into a picture of India, seeing a huge temple in the background, with the street's lined with pillars, with these things on top that had tendrils at the base spinning around and beckoning me in with elephants dancing on the top of them.

I'm not sure how long it lasted for, but eventually I got pulled back into my body - and it actually startled me to realize I was sitting at my desk looking at my monitor - as what I just saw and felt seemed so real, and my eyes were open the time - it wasnt a closed eye visual.





And what I saw was 1000x more amazing and beautiful then what I can describe, and all it took was a little bit of meditation, relaxing not trying to ?force? the visuals.

I find with LSD ? when you try and ?force? a visual by focusing your attention on something (like I tend to do with mushrooms), it kills the visual nature of it. But, if I sit back, relax, don?t focus ? it will unfold amazing things.


Edited by kaniz (03/22/06 03:38 PM)


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5430631 - 03/22/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i know exactly what your saying ...whenever i relax and just stare blindly i get the most amazing grid like color lined visuals,breathtaking ..i love it..but relaxing your view is key as you stated....the whole  grids moves as if it is alive ...never ceases to blow my mind....good post  :wink: :thumbup:


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #5430663 - 03/22/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Those grids are just the start of it :smile:, I recall spacing on my bathtub actually while going to the bathroom, (sitting on the shitter is also a sure way to up the visuals, lol), and the grids started to form in my bathtub, then started to form into 3D space (and not just patterns on the surface), and formed into an animated outline of two people making love in the bath tub.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: CaptainKirk]
    #5430686 - 03/22/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very nice Kaniz.

Would you say the process is really the same for mushrooms as LSD. I've heard LSD is more visual, so i figured that it might be alot easier to get the visuals you referred to without really trying.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: demon2091tb]
    #5430723 - 03/22/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you are pretty much talking about...'letting go'

its important in the process of ego death.


Take a hit or two more, do this as it gets intense and you will go to heaven. But layed down.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Grapefruity]
    #5430834 - 03/22/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Grapefruity said:
you are pretty much talking about...'letting go'

its important in the process of ego death.


Take  a hit or two more, do this as it gets intense and you will go to heaven. But layed down. 




yep, pretty much :smile: People seem to think you need more drugs or higher doses (although that can do the trick too, and when combined with letting go.....), but, the best way - simply relax, let go.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5430850 - 03/22/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so you could reach an ego less state with like 2 grams of mushrooms if you meditate your way in?

I dont know I never got quite close when meditating the most possible, with a more average dose. Its like you say, something comes and get me out of my deepening state.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: demon2091tb]
    #5430881 - 03/22/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Cool post kaniz
This might seem kinda long for some of you, but here it goes.....
Because the visuals are always there, seeing them like this all the time is also possible. It doesnt help as much to focus on content that you would associate with real life objects, or one part of the image though that could develope. You will find that looking at the whole is the best way to look at its smallest parts(ya its sort of a metaphore for psychedelic cognition also). In my experience it is easier and more natural every time I would use a hallucinogen, to the point where I was automatically in this state of mind. Where you are mentally, has much to do with observing visuals in their full form. If you are thinking normally/pointed and a focused on seeing what you expect visual to be like, you wont see visuals the way they really are. If you are letting your mind do its own thing and get really out there cognatively(thinking backwards and forwards at the same time, endless associations, time dialation, and other movements of the mind that are at the core of the psychedelic experience), you will then definately see the core of the visuals if you have truely let go, much like what kaniz was saying. At that point you naturally, are not focusing on the visuals. SO they are just insane when you choose to focus on them, or when you fuse your thoughts to your senses.
I have had quite a few experiences with a very good friend where our conversations were so intense, synchronistic, fast moving and logical, that when we would hit the peak of the conversation one of us might say something like, "well we have reached the end", as the other was just thinking the same thing. Then a silence, as the inevitable chain of thought was broken, and we would feel the same breeze that was accompanied by massive visuals that took over the world around us. The first time this happened, after the conversational peak, followed by a the short silence, we both looked at each other, and I said did you just feel that, he said "oh yes". This was followed by more silence, as what had happened would naturally freak anyone out in a way and thus the next conversation took hold. As if we were not already thinking synchronistically enough, this was almost too much. After these peaks we would always be silent and then almost at the same time think of the same new stimuli for conversation. Also, we always thought the visuals were very interesting on their own, but when those strange geometries synch up with your cognition, you can really see them.
I guess thats part of the reason being in the dark or a dimly lit room is so damn cool. NO external stimuli, just you, your brain, and the visions.
To examplify this,....the larger the dose, the more interesting the visuals become, but not without the dose-driven psychedelic cognition following it up. Larger doses intist this state of mind upon you. Its also part of the reason some people just see visuals more easily than others. You can be damn sure that those who see visuals very easily on low doses, are getting to those strange places within their cognition as well.

SOme good ways to see visuals that are a shortcut to what could be considered, a natural intuitive process.These are just some tricks that help you see visuals, and those that help you understand visuals so you can see them more easily in the future

1. DImly lit room. enough said

2. Rub your eyes until the visuals start to become intense, then stop rubbing and only apply the same pressure as you did while rubbing your eyes. Doing this reveales the comlex nature of closed eye visuals.

3. This one seems kinda silly, but rotate your head on a pivet and focus on one spot in your external environment, with all the lights on. Carpet and other textured surfaces work well for this strange method. Its just so you can learn about visuals.

4. When you are looking at one thing for some time, or for even a second and you look away the next image fuses with the last.
SO glance across a room in small incraments and objects constantly morph/shrink and grow. This is why people see tracers


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5430966 - 03/22/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good one stemmer.

My question is really how much does it take for either acid or shrooms to actually get these visuals.

I tend to get alot more of a mindfuck than visuals.

On my first trip, 1/16, on my peak, i ended up getting sick, and going into the bathroom and puking, at the time i didn't think i noticed the visuals per say, but after it i do think i saw some, but not really exactly sure. I was hunched over the toilet, doing my buisness, and when i opened my eyes after a purge, i looked at my arms, they were orange, and i think i saw a few purples as well, and they were rather fat (i'm a skinny guy), and i felt like i could have been Homer Simpson, or rather i looked like him. It only lasted for a second, as i looked from my arms down into the toilet and then it went away.

As far as any other visuals i havn't had hardly any, but i do tend to get a rather hefty mindfk, which is fine with me. But i would like to experience a moving exploding picture telling a story........or something similar.

What does it take to get there, besides the given tricks you can do to yourself, Does it take enough substance to rather put you over the edge to even get visuals, or could they be off of even as small as a .5g, or even 1g?

My last trip, ~.5g (was gonna wade back in), and i got a rather good mindfk, and i thought i saw a few things, like a moving shadow off of my lava lamp, but i really couldn't tell. Could i have possibly taken it farther on that dose and really had some good visuals?


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: demon2091tb]
    #5430995 - 03/22/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

take an eight, you cant except very much with 1.7g

But when you close your eyes, you see always changing patterns no? But to get near say lsd like visuals you have to take more than 1.7g. ime Its hard to see visual particles in a lit room apart from distortions of your surronding with this dose.



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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Grapefruity]
    #5431028 - 03/22/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

On your first trip, if you have not used any psychedelics before, like LSD, It wont be as easy to see visuals on a half eighth. I mean you will have some visuals, but nothing like if you had a history of high dose acid, or have shroomed many times. It really too bad you puked, which has something to do with the lack of visuals.
The pictures will seldom tell a story no matter how much you take.
The visuals are geometric with acid, and very much the same with shrooms though they are more circulare. Beyond that, you can to some degree project imagry ontop of the visuals which seems to bring your thoughts to life. That only happens naturally on high doses.
Thoughts that make pictures are usually just the thoughts themselves and their movements and paths of analyzation, much like music is capable of producing when tripping. A more dreamy trip can do the same thing. For a person who is using shrooms for a second time, just take some more. Eventually you will get visuals every time, even on .5 grams. Visuals are concrete, and dont belong to only the one who is experiencing them, thus making them all the more interesting. Its how you interact with them when on higher doses that makes them even more interesting than their natural action on your mind, and you minds actions on them. They can seem to tell a story for some people. But not like a movie or something simple. Its as if your vision and cognition fuse together. Synesthesia.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5431075 - 03/22/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks Stemmer.

Yea i'm still rather low on my amount of trips and dosages, but we all have to start somewhere, but i find i'm getting more used to the experience, and thats all i had planned with the .5g dose, just to familiarize me more with the tpye of consciousness your in when tripping. And i feel it did rather well. I still have about 1g or so more left, possibly 1.25-1.5g left, so next time will be considereablly stronger i believe.

These are very nice in depth explinations though, i commend you both, Stemmer and Kaniz.

"Visuals are concrete, and dont belong to only the one who is experiencing them, thus making them all the more interesting."

Would only another tripper on a similar dose experience them, or could 2 people be on completely different planes of consciousness and experience them?


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5431093 - 03/22/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stemmer, Some people say that they dont get visuals on mushrooms or lsd...can some minds just not create visuals? or is there always a way to bring someone to see em.

A girl i know, she is tripping , we are lookin at the visuals and shes like wtf are you lookin at, what visuals?


Demon...well what I could say is that two people one on lsd one on a comparable dose of mushrooms, each thinkin the other has taken the same thing, theyll talk about em just like they were on the same substance...But if you talk about meditation when sober, I doubt the visuals that will get to you are similar to tripper's visuals.

I dont know...after tryin a few substances...I see that lots of psychedelics always bring the same visuals, just more or less fine or deep. It seems to be always the same 'fabric', The same ingredients. It might be all in my mind though.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Grapefruity]
    #5431328 - 03/22/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Honestly, it has alot to do with holism, even holography(I made a thread about it that should explain it).
I am convinced that due to either genetics or simple mental evolution some people can not access higher forms of thought, and some cant see visuals(they could work on that, but its not the same as for those for which visuals are always readily available). For many people, some of these higher forms of thought make shapes. People who are serious musicians are damn good at taking psychedelics. And by good I mean receptive.

Grapefruity, it does seem to be the exact same "fabric". SOme hallucinogens are more likely to produce one movement rather than the other. The visuals themselves are certainly different as are the cognitive anomalies, but they are all just reflections of the innerworkings of the mind.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5431373 - 03/22/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

For some people on psychedelics, A leads in a streight line to d and it takes some time.

For others A-B-C-D are well defined. Thus it moves in very little time from: A-C-B-C-D...to...A-B-D-C-B-D. Those are the people who are best to be around while tripping even if you are not one of those people with the inspired capacity to speak about it. To take the same drug in a group experience, does make this process more whole, rather then taking two drugs that act in a similare way.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5431416 - 03/22/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

damn in this last one im havin trouble following you with the ABCD...can you explain those variables? lol


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Grapefruity]
    #5431436 - 03/22/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I am convinced that due to either genetics or simple mental evolution some people can not access higher forms of thought, and some cant see visuals(they could work on that, but its not the same as for those for which visuals are always readily available).





I think this may be why Psychedelics are SO visual for me. As, even without using psychedelics, and being 100% sober - I can relax my eyes/mind in such a way to start triggering subtle visuals.

Now, the thing that gets me on this : did I /always/ have this ability? Or, is it a door that has been opened after my first time or two on mushrooms? OR did I always see it - but was so common, I never noticed, and mushrooms sort of showed me what to look for - so now I notice it.

A day to day example I can think of.

- Awhile ago, I was walking to school. I walk the same route every single day, see the same buildings every single day. Then one day, for some reason - I notice a green building.
- The green building had always been there, and the paint was old and dirty, so its not like it was a fresh coat of paint catching my attention

The building had always been there, I had always seen it - but I never noticed it. Then, for the next few days - every time I walked by that building, it would sort of pop out at me, and I would notice it.

So, I'm kind of wondering if this is the same for me and my day to day visual distortions. They are not there going 24/7 if I look at it or not.

But for example, if I look at the archway between my dining room and my living room, where the ceiling meets the roof - if I relax my eyes a bit, it always looks like there i a flowing motion to it. I see subtle 'auras' around objects.

I have also always been a bit prone to fever hallucinations - when I was a young child, I used to get really bad fevers, so bad that my doctor actually told my mom to throw me into snow banks to get my temps back down when.

I remember young - getting fever hallucinations of flying pink elephants out of my TV, or the sensation of gremlins trying to steal my socks, or seeing people appear in front of me (Ghosts? or figments of my mind?)

I recall shortly after my grandfather died, I was young, and one night laying in bed - seeing him sitting in a rocking chair in my room. Was it a ghost? or just my mind producing a vision due to emotional distress I was going through? Or, did I sense the ?energy? of my grandfather (not so much a ghost), and this energy triggered the visual hallucination that I associated with that energy? (this would get into some of my beliefs on life/death/god/afterlife/etc which is another topic). But the point is : I saw, clear as day, my grandfather sitting in my chair in my room.

And, I can remember a few more recent events where illness has caused me to get strong visual distortions.

1. Really bad fever, I really should of gone to the doctors. But regardless, I was watching an episode of Carnival, and a character was having a war flashback. Suddenly, I start to feel sick, and get up to run towards the bathroom to vomit - and for a moment, it felt like I was in that flashback, and could see the war around me as I ran to the bathroom to vomit. It was a complete merging of senses to what was on the TV.

2. I had some stomach problems awhile ago, wont go into the details. But in short, while walking to the hospital - everything was moving, and distorting, distances would stretch for ever, then snap up. I recall the room looking out of proportion.

? sorry to ramble off like this, stemmers post just got me thinking a bit about myself, and how I tend to be prone to, ?visual distortions? and hallucinations even when not under the influence of drugs, and how that relates to the extremely visual nature of psychedelics for me when I do take them.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5431780 - 03/22/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

wow excellent thread. Great info.

i'd also add that any mytical activity, ie meditating, visualization, vibrating/mantra, breath control techniques-- really increases the strength and pace of visuals as well.


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    #5431937 - 03/22/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is a great thread....

When I said the whole thing about ABCD, I was hoping someone can relate to it. They are variables that resemble thoughts and the progression of logic. When they move in anything other than a streight line, you are pretty tripped out. If you can identify the movement of this over analyzation, via time dialation you might just be the type who can talk about it while tripping.

The ABCD comment is indeed very "out there"...


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5431967 - 03/22/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I love doing that. Its almost like you can feel your eyes change focus. I was in GGP tripping on LSD a month or two ago and i did just that, stared blankly at the horizon and into the trees and everything took on this kalidascope look to it.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5432044 - 03/22/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Those grids are just the start of it :smile:, I recall spacing on my bathtub actually while going to the bathroom, (sitting on the shitter is also a sure way to up the visuals, lol), and the grids started to form in my bathtub, then started to form into 3D space (and not just patterns on the surface), and formed into an animated outline of two people making love in the bath tub.




Ok, I've been wondering about this for some time. it seems that before a visual takes place, sort of a Grid lines up on the area being looked at. then the visual happends after a couple seconds after this grid is fully formed.

sometimes on weed, my whole feild of vision turns into the grid, but doesn't start fractalizing as it does on mushroom.

is the grid i'm talking about the grid you're talking about?


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: freezepooter]
    #5432071 - 03/22/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Same grid.

Those grids are the root of all visuals, and are visuals themselves for certain.

I dont see anything like Kaniz metioned even If I have taken a ten strip of lsd or 5 grams of shrooms. Honestly I think the most rational way to go about tripping doesnt really allow for that sort of thing.

On even the heaviest dose, Nothing is making love in my bathroom, nor does my vision perceive it as such. The visuals make love to each other but the actual visuals wont take on other more realistic forms unless the are seperate from the visual palette.

Visuals are geometric. They dont just make pictures for you to observe, although what you are thinking at the time creates a whole knew realm of visuals on a higher dose.

Some people see landscapes etc etc. Thats a different kind of visual. Its deeper but has more to do with your memory than a selfless state of mind and the true form of visuals.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5432152 - 03/22/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've noticed that alot of my visuals tend to be very erotic in orgin. Its not like I see two physical bodies having sex. Its like shapes/outlines that have a 'humanish' form, are constantly intwined in some sort of constantly inter-locking inter-woven sexual motion.

Here is a pic that is sort of an artist-rendition of it I guess


But, the 'grid' was forming the outline to shapes like that, but instead of being many of those - it was two intertwined bodies (made up of the grids), in a very 'sensual' motion in my tub.

It wasnt an "oh my god, theres two people fucking in my bathtub" or anything like that - but just the way these grids started to bend, warp, and eventually move-throbe gave very much a sense of an ereotic-scene happening before me.

Another common visual, especially in shadows - is make the above image a bit of a shadow. And, say, wrap the leg from the one girl around the leg from the other, then they keep wraping around eachother/interlocking/moving/thrusting/etc to form a very sexual 'sex-scape' of imagery before me.

All in all, it's rather beautiful to watch - as when looking at the trees, I can see them starting to do the same inter-locking patterns forming on them.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #5432191 - 03/22/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont see anything like Kaniz metioned even If I have taken a ten strip of lsd or 5 grams of shrooms. Honestly I think the most rational way to go about tripping doesnt really allow for that sort of thing.





That was actually off of 1.5 hits, not a 10strip. Its not like the bodies became 'real', it was still very much based in the geometric outlines of them. It was like the geometric grids were forming the outlines of the bodies.

I also recall on the same trip, staring at my couch - and seeing these lines start to form on the couch, then they started to get into an infinite depth within the couch, still very geometric - crisp lines, cubes, etc, which seemed to be forming into increasingly complex geometric patterns.

The patterns on my couch were starting to animate, but almost as if to 'distract' me from looking at what else was forming. I wanted to let my mind drift into that space for a bit longer, but my BF thought I was ignoring him, and broke me out of that headspace to let me travel there.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5432287 - 03/22/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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stemmer said:
For some people on psychedelics, A leads in a streight line to d and it takes some time.

For others A-B-C-D are well defined. Thus it moves in very little time from: A-C-B-C-D...to...A-B-D-C-B-D. Those are the people who are best to be around while tripping even if you are not one of those people with the inspired capacity to speak about it.




I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. A lot of times when I trip, especially on shrooms with other people, I can take some simple concept and do processing on it and come up with all sorts of things in this sort of fashion. here's how I would explain it:

if a then b.
if b then c
if c then d
...
if y then z
then a implies z.

^that is how I would normally see and understand a complex process.

how it works when I'm tripping:

a implies z and all variables and processes between them are fully understood almost instantly.

there is a loss of the intermediate steps to come to the conclusion. I view concepts and systems as input/output systems and understand them through abstraction...rather than logicly reasoning them out. It's a very unique problem-solving mindstate for me that I don't get to experience normally.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5432565 - 03/22/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Even Einstein thought that this process was god. As did J coltrane, and many many others incuding myself. The unmoved mover, takes control, the golden mean is more of an inevitable destination than it is of your own control.

I am a jazz guitarest and nothing, NOTHING helped my development like psychedelics. Its like weighing all the possibilities at once aside from what we call time. Psychedelics taught me how to play, and I have never had a lesson in my life(its a metaphore, but it is very relavent, thats why I mentioned coltrane and einstein). My own neurology played the music for me thanks to a few obvious skills I had picked up along the way(again, a metaphore).


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: stemmer]
    #5433091 - 03/23/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hah kaleidoscope i think i understand...I find in my sober mind, the though process starts...then there is a moment, the peak of my process...where all is understood at the same time. All the pieces of the puzzles are recognized at the same time. Then it starts again. It is often like that, but i havent wandered enough in this to understand more about it.

On lsd, it takes much less time. Or sometimes I guess it can be almost instant. And when it does it, the understanding...the visuals do sometn cool...And sometimes I start wishing there wasnt this moment of understanding everything, repeating itself in a cycle, so lets just stay in the moment. Havin glimpses of what I think is god right now...we experience god in different ways (knowledge, love, hate) , but weakly, because of ourselves...


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: kaniz]
    #18197413 - 05/01/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

He'll yeah I know exactly what y'all are talking about . Thats the best way to avoid
A bad trip and have the most spiritual and mind bending experience possible. Trip on!


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    #18197738 - 05/01/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: Ando Banko]
    #18197805 - 05/01/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I find the best way to increase LSD visuals is to add 2C-b.


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Re: How To: Increase LSD Visuals [Re: theonlysun81]
    #18199278 - 05/01/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Imo it takes practice teaching your eyes to go out of focus, then remembering to do it while tripping the fuck out!


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