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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5416901 - 03/18/06 07:16 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

So you're saying that products and services dependent on organizations can exist in a state of chaos.


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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: Booby]
    #5416914 - 03/18/06 07:22 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I like the thing Tim Leary says in "how to operate your brain" about chaos. Going there, and recreating yourself and you world the way it suits you from that chaos.


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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: Booby]
    #5416936 - 03/18/06 07:30 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

everything is order from chaos, electricity is a chaotic force by nature, we harness it by creating order of it. sending it pulsing through transistors, resistors, capacitors, and circuitboard channels.  is it boring once you create order? well, its predictable, and predicatability creates a rut and resulting in boredom, at least mine, sometimes.

ironic that static is dynamic.  :mushroom2:

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5418707 - 03/19/06 12:42 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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Without order you wouldn't have a PC, X-box or music. picture that.




Order and/or chaos has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Both are merely subjective classifications applied to the same phenomenon that have no effect on the phenomenon itself.

Order/chaos is an illusion that we create. Picture that.

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If order/chaos is an illusion then so is the idea that order/chaos is an illusion. Saying things like this gets you nowhere.

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5418756 - 03/19/06 01:03 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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I've never heard of this association, first and foremost.




Come on man, I know you have played rpg's. Order - blue Chaos - red Order - good Chaos - bad

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5420839 - 03/19/06 11:21 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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"In the year 1166 B.C., a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. "Look at all the order around you," he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.

It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.

The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.

It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE."




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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5424862 - 03/21/06 11:30 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

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Why do people associate order with goodness and chaos with evil.  Sometimes Order can produce mass evil. (governments)  And evil can control with order. (Hitler)

When did this association start and why?




I think people associate chaos with disaster and a situation out of their immediate control like a food fight or being in the midst of a tornado.

I think we label chaotic what situations we have little to no control over or lost control over.

I think order is the natural ongoing state of things simply because of the law of cause and effect.

Nature has systems built into systems built into systems etc and there is an order to all of them. Humans have created their own systems of control and order to override those of nature for varying reasons.

When human made systems of order developed for controls to be maintained meet up and conflict with natures systems or even other human made systems, we get what we call chaos.

Would anyone care if a Cat 5 hurricane hit a barren desert?

Look at what happened when Hurricane Katrina which met up with thousands of human made systems. We called it chaos.

We call it order when sugar is added to lemon juice to make lemonaide. We call it chaos when Jr adds dirt to lemon juice we planned on drinking. Same order of addition was in play. The only difference is, we lost control over what was being added to the mix. 

Next time you meet up with a situation labeled to be total chaos, take note of a how a natural system is in conflict with a human made system for keeping order (control) or "sense" of order (being in control). Jr. likes playing with dirt. It was natural for him to come in from outside and add it to the juice mix when you were on the phone. :shrug:

There is even order within perceived chaos like in a food fight. First Jane throws a plate of spaghetti at Ron's head. Secondly, Ron lobs a bowl of pudding at Jane's face and it also lands on Rick and Sue. Thridly, Rick flings a spoonful of mashed potatoes at a whole table of people. Fourthly, Sue then dives under the table, etc. There is cause and effect order taking place there, though the lunchroom supervisor sees chaos and feels she must reestablish order to the cafeteria.  :confused:

There is always just the order of cause and effect action in play. When a human sees or experiences destruction/disaster they don't like and or feel they have lost control over it, they call it chaos.

Chaos can be a synonym for "loss of human controls (systems) over naturally ordered systems of cause and effect." Chaos to me is just a percpetual label put on a situation where we see loss of human control based on human systems of order, over a situation.

Just my take on it.

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429136 - 03/22/06 09:09 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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If order/chaos is an illusion then so is the idea that order/chaos is an illusion. Saying things like this gets you nowhere.




My reasoning for the statement is not simply that the idea is an illusion because it is an idea. I am stating that it is a false dichotomy, that it is a unnecessary classification that does not reflect the reality of the manner.

Thus, it is an illusion that we create, in that it is an idea that isn't based on a correct observation of reality itself. Distinguishing phenomenon between chaos and order is resultant from our ignorance of the orderly mechanics responsible for what we might describe as "chaotic". The last that I knew, cause and effect still prevail.

The fact that a system is quite complex and dynamic, and we cannot take into consideration or know all of the factors responsible for the workings within the system, does not mean that it is any less orderly than "order".

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5429147 - 03/22/06 09:12 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

"Thus, it is an illusion that we create, in that it is an idea that isn't based on a correct observation of reality itself."

Is it really possible to have have a correct observation of reality itself.? If so, give me an example of this observation.

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429298 - 03/22/06 10:01 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

The temperature at which water boils? :grin:

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5429337 - 03/22/06 10:18 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Fine, but what IS the tempature at which water boils? :uptosomething:

(If you look it up your cheating)

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429340 - 03/22/06 10:20 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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Fine, but what IS the tempature at which water boils? :uptosomething:



100 degrees Celsius.


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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5429347 - 03/22/06 10:22 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Fahrenheit?

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429373 - 03/22/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

That depends on how far above sea level you are :wink:


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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429394 - 03/22/06 10:38 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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Fahrenheit?



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I said:
Celsius




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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5429429 - 03/22/06 10:49 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

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Paradigm said:
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BuddahKillah said:
Fahrenheit?



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I said:
Celsius







Oh oh, but that was a question. Thus the question mark.

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5429443 - 03/22/06 10:57 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Let it go. This thread isn't about math.


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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5429708 - 03/22/06 12:10 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Your right, how can I delete this thread?

Edited by BuddahKillah (03/22/06 12:11 PM)

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Re: Order = Good / Chaos = Evil ? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5430362 - 03/22/06 03:01 PM (18 years, 1 day ago)

Your finger will hurt much more at high airrpressure than on mountaintops when holding it in boiling water :lol:


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