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 buckallyall
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#5429941 - 03/22/06 01:16 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Roger Rabbit posted something about wax paper helping casings pin. I was wondering if anyone know anything about this and how and why it  helps? thanks
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 Re: Wax Paper [Re: Roadkill]
#5430003 - 03/22/06 01:32 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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so does that mean since I have wax paper I dont need to spray? because it creates a micro-climate
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Change the sheet of wax paper for a new one every two to three days. DON'T MIST, it isn't necessary with wax paper. Just leave it in place. The fruits will push the wax paper up as they grow.
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No need to sray or for a casing layer....this is good cause i was having troubles with casing layers colonizing for some od reason..as if my myc was tired but it couldnt be tired cause its new..LOL but i might try this wax thing out..GJ RR!!
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: bongtoke]
#5430275 - 03/22/06 02:39 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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Does this wax paper need to be directly touching the substrate? Also, does this not affect the air exchange? Im thinking of using this wax method on my tub in tub horse poo grow. I had bad luck with my last casing layer.
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: jtk]
#5430312 - 03/22/06 02:48 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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jtk said:
my tub in tub horse poo grow.
?????  A "TIT" is usually used for an incubator. How are you using a "TIT" for fruiting h/poo? Do you just have your casings sitting in a separate tub?
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i mean double tub. My tub of substrate is going to be inside a larger tub with perlite in the bottom. does anyone know the ansewr to my wax paper questions?
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: jtk]
#5430479 - 03/22/06 03:26 PM (18 years, 29 days ago) |
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The wax paper should be loosely laid over the top of the substrate. Don't try to seal around the edges at all. For larger trays or bins, if you're afraid the paper will 'stick' to the substrate, simply wrinkle it up a bit before you lay it down. I've also used the metal rings from mason jars as a spacer to keep the wax paper just above the surface of the casing layer. You can remove the jar rings when the fruits are big enough to begin pushing the wax paper out of the way as they grow. This is also an excellent preventative for cracked caps if your humidity drops too low while you're away at work.
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RogerRabbit said:
The wax paper should be loosely laid over the top of the substrate.
I've also used the metal rings from mason jars as a spacer to keep the wax paper just above the surface of the casing layer. RR
You kinda confused me here. I think that you are using wax paper instead of a casing layer? Am I wrong?
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I wont answer for RR
But here is my take....
The wax paper really creates a great micro environment,
I think you can use this with a layer but one with out would really benefit from the wax paper more.
Since the layer also provides a micro environment.
my 2 cents
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buckallyall
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No, we are talking about putting a casing layer down then the wax paper on that to help it pin. He said it helps make its own climate.(basically)
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well if you read Roadkills link (and I always do 
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RogerRabbit said:
I never use a casing layer with horse manure. Just leave it covered with foil until the top is fully colonized. Then, uncover the foil and replace with a flat sheet of wax paper. The wax paper will serve as the 'casing' causing a humid microclimate below the paper, while letting light penetrate. Change the sheet of wax paper for a new one every two to three days. Don't mist, it isn't necessary with wax paper. Just leave it in place. The fruits will push the wax paper up as they grow.
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I just wanna see a pinset! I'm gonna go look for a pic now
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That is really interesting. I'm excited to give this a try.
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I just wanna see a pinset! I'm gonna go look for a pic now
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so they get enough FAE with the wax paper?
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Why is everyone still using a casing layer?
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i wont be on my next casing lol, thats for damn sure.
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Wax paper works well with or without a casing layer. Also, in the link roadkill posted above I should have said I 'rarely' use a casing layer with horse manure instead of saying 'never'. Certain species such as pans really need a casing layer to fruit properly, and of course cubes will get much bigger with the added moisture of a casing layer.
Also, the wax paper won't supply moisture to your substrate the way a casing layer will. It only prevents excessive moisture loss and as said, provides a humid microclimate. Perhaps the best of both worlds is to use a thin casing layer along with a sheet of wax paper laying on top. Sorry for the confusion.
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Edited by RogerRabbit (03/23/06 06:46 AM)
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the wax paper is just forming a micro-fruiting chamber,
not a substitute for a casing.
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finally i see someone say it besides me. Ive always thought that casing layers are over rated for hpoo. I do hpoo in mono tubs with no casing and no wax paper and i get better pin sets than i see most folks getting with a casing. Im certainly going to use wax paper next time though, absolutely brilliant!
In nature there are no fairies flying around sprinkling 50/50 + oyster shell all over the horse turds, lol.
edit: ahhh i see you do use a casing layer, im usually too lazy to do it.
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Waxpaper may work well with substrates without casings but with casing layers it's totally not needed trust me. That is if your doing it right!
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5434163 - 03/23/06 11:55 AM (18 years, 28 days ago) |
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I don't use a casing layer because I always get a contam by the third flush because i have a wet moldy basement. I personally yield more mushrooms by not using a casing at all.
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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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I agree...you don't need to use a casing layer with horse poo.
I didn't used to use them at all.
Alot of people don't use a casing layer with horse poo and compost.
The only problem that I see with not using a casing layer is uneven pinsets and flushes.
The wax paper might help that...if I'm understanding Roger correctly.
Bulk horse poo without a casing layer...
another one...
and yet another one...
sorta hit and miss without a casing layer.
but some of the largest fruits that I have ever grown...
have been off bulk horse poo without a casing layer.
21" long Orissa India with a 8" cap.
I'll be trying Roger's wax paper method.
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: Roadkill]
#5434491 - 03/23/06 01:30 PM (18 years, 28 days ago) |
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I love everything about not using a casing. There are allot more really huge knarly clusters. You dont have to worry about overlay, misting, patching, and all that none sense. You can dunk the bulk sub between each flush to off set the fact that you dont have a casing providing extra water. ALLOT less instances of contamination. IME you can get a even pin set without a casing layer easily by spawning the top 2 inches of the bulk with 20-30% of your spawn and initiating fruiting as soon as the top is 80-100 colonised (this also brings you shrooms 5-10 days faster for you shroomless noobs). No its not a even pin set in the same sence that every mushroom on the thing is touching one anothers cap like they are all holding hands or something like with a properly done casing but its still even.
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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so in essence, wouldnt this be like having a bottom layer of vermiculite and a layer of crush up cakes. then you wouldnt need a casing layer on top right? just the wax paper?
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No its more like a 4 inch thick flat cake made of horse poo with some wax paper on it.
But i get what you are trying to do though, you wanna use the no casing way with crumbled cakes. I suggest just go ahead and pasteurize some poo and spawning with the cakes instead of attempting to crumble cakes and throw some wax paper on it.
Dont be afraid of bulk, theres nothing complicated or advanced about it. And also i guarentee you them cakes will have a less chance of contaming if you spawn them to poo than if you just crumbled them and tossed under some wax paper.
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Quote:
Psychoslut said:
I love everything about not using a casing. There are allot more really huge knarly clusters. You dont have to worry about overlay, misting, patching, and all that none sense. You can dunk the bulk sub between each flush to off set the fact that you dont have a casing providing extra water. ALLOT less instances of contamination. IME you can get a even pin set without a casing layer easily by spawning the top 2 inches of the bulk with 20-30% of your spawn and initiating fruiting as soon as the top is 80-100 colonised (this also brings you shrooms 5-10 days faster for you shroomless noobs). No its not a even pin set in the same sence that every mushroom on the thing is touching one anothers cap like they are all holding hands or something like with a properly done casing but its still even.
But ya gotta love the advantages of using a casing too?
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5435437 - 03/23/06 06:23 PM (18 years, 28 days ago) |
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Nice pic.
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5437426 - 03/24/06 07:36 AM (18 years, 27 days ago) |
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Oh yes and one of these days ill get my lazy ass down into the basement and seal it so the air in my house isnt so damn thick with mold spores.
Im not saying that not casing is better at all, its just that it turns out that not casing works out better for me in my current situation.
Lovely pic, has it been nominated?
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Quote:
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Oh yes and one of these days ill get my lazy ass down into the basement and seal it so the air in my house isnt so damn thick with mold spores.
Im not saying that not casing is better at all, its just that it turns out that not casing works out better for me in my current situation.
Lovely pic, has it been nominated?
No never nominated it is an older pic of a colleagues grow which I never get tired of looking at!
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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Wax Paper [Re: hyphae]
#5438052 - 03/24/06 11:54 AM (18 years, 27 days ago) |
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I just put wax paper on two of my cases.
I have 2others that are pinning as I type.
I'llpost pics soon
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