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Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ?
    #5429739 - 03/22/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Today i spent half an hour talking to some Jehovah's Witnesses on my door step, Who had without warning dropped themselves into my busy day. Its not that i really mind them, im very open to learn about other peoples beliefs, for its these that test / mold my own. Problem is that they seem to have an answer for everything. Im guessing that they can do this because they have been doing it for years. They probably say the same things to every unsuspecting / unprepared person they call upon !.

Im sure they will be coming back to visit soon, and this time i want to be prepared !!.

Id like to ask if anyone has any clever storys or ideas about how to deal with them ?
Id especially like some info about some of the things they believe, and if you can disprove any of them already then alls the better.

I dont want to sound like im against Jehovahs Witnesses, Im just trying to employ some of the tactics that they are already using on me !!!

Any help would be really appreciated ! and might come in useful one day.
Thank You...  :grin:


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5429822 - 03/22/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Roadkill]
    #5430642 - 03/22/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've noticed the people that don't truly belive in their souls in what they're doing always have an answer for any question.

It's because the rational mind has to justify to itself WHY you belive in what you belive.

Some of the most enlightened individuals have no problem going, "hm...well I don't know. Thats a good question!". They KNOW they will never have all the answers in this life. And knowing that never stops them from continuing the search--rather it's the driving force behind their journey.

There are a lot of things I "think" I know. I know that those thoughts can and will change as I aquire new experiences to mold my own dream of reality.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5431805 - 03/22/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, stay away form JW's i was born and raised as a JW. i left it when i was 13. i want to go out smoke pot and live the "worldly way" That whole religion is a pile of crap. my mom and i dont talk because of that shit, because i diddent want to become a JEHOVAS WHITNESS.......yea shit sucks, its a form a brainwash, if u want to know more about it PM me, i can tell u every thing in what they belive in a non-hypercrital way.

to me the bible,religion,jesus, its all a way to make money. industry. w/e thats my 45cents


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: discountpass]
    #5432493 - 03/22/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

my family are jehovah witnesses and i disagree with what discoutpass has to say... unlike every other religion out there they are not after your money, just after conversation... and in respect about having the answers to everything... they DONT, but they study damn hard so they just about do :smile:


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: DICK]
    #5432506 - 03/22/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not after your money eh? thats kinda funny, my great uncle is the head bishop of our area, and when a man dies all his possesions are given to the church instead of his family.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Bleep]
    #5432517 - 03/22/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

um jw's dont have bishops... however there are alot of impostors out there... i heard a story once of this two guys that wore nice suits and pretended to be jw's, entered this building like they were doing door to door visits and robbed the whole place :thumbup:


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: DICK]
    #5433535 - 03/23/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The JW's have there own headquarters in NYC its call bethel, a huge buildingwhere all there publications are made and more. im not attacking JW's saying all they want is money. i belive that is every form of religion.but then again that is my opinion.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: DICK]
    #5433960 - 03/23/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im not sure about the whole money deal, i suppose they must get some from something to do with the religion cos they seem to spend alot of time going door to door.

I definately did not get the feeling they were just there to converse with me, it felt alot more like they were trying to convice me about their religion, they actually looked quite aggitated when i tried to put my own beliefs across.

I dont think its fair that they would study so hard on their subject then go out and catch unsuspecting people.

They said they would come back soon with some literature for me to read, but even these books are very biased towards the JW's, and im sure they already have a reply for any question i might spawn after reading one of these books.

I should probably just tell them im not interested, but i feel a need to play them back alittle. If only to make them see that my ideas are as worthy as they think theirs are.

Ill take you up on that PM Discoutpass, im sure they have some strange beliefs that just dont add up, and it would be nice to know what im talking about next time they come, without having to form any ideas from their books.

Thank you all,
And i like your thoughts MystikMushroom, spot on !


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5434526 - 03/23/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

read the Watchtower, or Awake(2 publications they make) it wont hurt you, i promise you they will return. i used to preach my self when i was young. We always returned. For me i dont agree with many things they do/belive in, but it is a very peaceful way of living. beliving Heven is here on earth after the apocalypse, you among others that have faith and live the JW way will be healthy and live forever on a perfect earth.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: discountpass]
    #5435085 - 03/23/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mikeyyork wrote:
"Id like to ask if anyone has any clever storys or ideas about how to deal with them ?"

Lock the door and don't answer it.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: fivepointer]
    #5435300 - 03/23/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thats not quite the effect i was wanting to give, Effective tho it is !!  :thumbup:


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5437452 - 03/24/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hehe, I simply tried to look a little mean and said, "I found my god allready" (or something similar).
They must have thought I talked about Satan, :lol: and went away a little scared :wink:
If they even had known, that my version of god stems from the same source than theirs, :lol:
You only have to show yourself much convinced of your god (better be it anyways) and handle them as scholars :wink:
You will see if they were open enough, perhaps you will save their souls ! :smile:


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5438009 - 03/24/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

shit man, if you dont want them to return just kindly tell them youre not interested and to not visit you again

they wont come for a VERY long time guaranteed..

if not i will give 100 dollars to that person


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: DICK]
    #5438625 - 03/24/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I know i could just tell them to leave me alone, but i dont really mind talking with them. I am interested in what they believe, im even more interested in why they believe what they do. My main problem is that they managed to stump me. When they were saying what they thought must be true, i had no reply to contradict it. This annoyed me because i wasnt prepared for the situation, and i knew they knew exactly what they were gonna say, before they even knocked on my door !.

I wondered if anyone else had talked with the JW's, and managed to say something that had had an effect on them !

Any funny stories are a bonus !!!.  :cool:

thanking you all !!


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5442561 - 03/25/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thats definately cool. I too like engaging in conversation with other people about their beliefs. It really allows you to form your own ideas, by mixing everything, and taking the good...and leaving out the bad.

Thats is why you need ammunition to get to forming ideas, and having them ask questions...instead of just listening.

I dont know much about JW. Except that I knew a few when I was really young, and they were really nice people who did not discriminate against being poor, or a bad person, or anything. They seemed really nice, and religion aside, that is what I strive for.

Alot simular to the Mormons, except they seem to only want middle to upper class white people in their churches. I know some will disagree, but it is true. I have seen missionaries going door to door skip a house because of a black man working on their lawn, and alot of other stuff of that nature.


My advise is to take in anyting they tell you. Religion may be a crock of shit, but the more you know and understand the better. People are pretty ignorant when it comes to religion, and I know a bunch of Athiests, and Christians who have 99.9% of the same spiritual beliefs, except the names they label themselves with will not allow them to relize this.

Sorry for my rants.


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: tak]
    #5442673 - 03/25/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ha no thats not true... I asked my family and their respond was, 'do WE look rich???' thing is, there are JW's everywhere, of every race, nationality and background so that said, they leave the hispanics to hispanics, whites to whites etc for obvious communication reasons.

also I know for a fact that they strive for a humble lifestyle and non materialistic way of life. some just are richer than others because of well, cultural backgrounds. also, one thing everyone needs to consider is that all humans are imperfect so itll be irrational to belief that JW's are. theyre not a cult, theres no secret handshakes, 'no if youre good you go to heaven if youre bad suffer in hell', they dont ask for money like 90% of all religions out there do so there are no 'pastors' getting rich off of you, and no silly rules like you cant drink coffee cant dance etc. like mormons or other religions do. why? cause well they base their way of life from what they learn in the bible nor from some graduate or self proclaimed priest indoctrinating their followers..

so why am I not in my parents beliefs/religion?

because Im a bad bad boy that just cannot adhere to their high moral values right now...

I guess the saying is right that not everything that tastes good is good for your health, or something like that :smirk:

-DICK!


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: DICK]
    #5444066 - 03/26/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Talking to people of varried beliefs is important--there is always somthing to learn from everything. Even the rocks and grass have endless stories to tell if we take the time to slow down and "listen".

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5449914 - 03/28/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

/rant on
read some stuff in here about if jw were after money or not...from my experience..livin in the hood and working mostly in rich neighborhoods ive seen this...jw want nothing to do with poor people..they target middle america and the rich...most the time ive seen them they target the half-million dollar homes...just like door to door salesmen..why? MONEY!
all religions are the same thing..."were here to help the weak..the poor..the ones who need it most" but let a bum walk into church on sunday morning and they all look at him with disgust...they may play nice awhile..but u can bet ur a$$ hes not as welcome as they act..
all religions are about money...who has the biggest church...the nicest stained glass...the most expensive of everthing inside and out of the building...
furthermore...going to church is nothing more (from my experiences as a youth) than a fashion show...wich woman has the most expensive dress and shoes...wich man has the most expensive tie and shoes...how well the kids are dressed...and the poor ppl who go to church? meh..they can sit in the back and look poor...they just get talked about by the rich ones after service...
ive seen it at several dif churches growing up...go to church with family members who had money...treated like i had money...heard em talk about the ppl who didnt like dogs...let me know just where i stood in church so i said fk that crap
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: hIgHdRoLoVeR]
    #5456206 - 03/29/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't listen to what they have to say most of the time...especially when they wake me at 8 in the fuckin mornin. lol


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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and their answers 4 everything ! ? [Re: inv3rse]
    #5463899 - 03/31/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This Christian dude who walks campus introduced himself to me and asked me if I believed in God. We talked for a bit and I ended up asking him if he knew anything about evolution. He said he didn't...I said he should go read about it.


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