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ssjwizard
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my setup
#5428348 - 03/22/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok so after geting some tips earlier and reading through some more teks and faq reports today i think i decided on how im going to do my setup. im going to be using an opaque container i found lieing around that measures about 10x6x11" as an incubator with the "heatbomb" i happen to have a nice 75W aquarium heater with digital temp readout that ill keep set at around 82f.
for my fruiting chamber im going to use a Rubbermaid 50 Qt. Clear Impressions Box which dimensions are around 11x26x16" and is clear. ill be drilling 2 holes on each of the far ends with my 1" hole saw. ill either stuff these with poly fill or tape on a piece of heppa filter which i think imight have lieing around.
for my fruting trays im actualy going to use 3 trays inside the furiting box so that i can grow multiple varietys aswell as stagger my harvest dates so i can keep a more continus suply of mushrooms. these i have around i used them to store office suplys at one time measure 9x12x5".
ill be using the basic PF tek for incubation and ill be spawning them to the trays which ill be filling with a mixture of Black Kow, manure compost(yes i know horse is better, but i dont much want to ship compost and this is whats avalible localy) and Vermiculite about 70/30% and pasturised acording to the directions in this post. Oven-Bag Pasteurization Pictorial
for lighting i have an extra 18" under counter flouresent lamp that im going to remove from its current hosusing into a reflector that ill be making using basic hardboard, wood glue, and white paint. which ill be setint ontop of the fruiting chamber working off a timer set to 12/12 cycle.
im working on designing a dryer box but thats something ill worry about later. i may just use my 105deg food dehydrator assuming that all the mushroms will fit between the trays.
for starters ive selected the John Allen variety of P. Cubensis as its listed as quick to colonise and highly contaminate resistant.
the only thing im not sure about i think is how to maintain the humidity levels which may be naturaly stabilised due to the high surface area of the substrates but for this i guess well just have to see. i live in an area where we have very low RH so if anyone has any advise or sugestions to offer up i much apreciate any and all feedback or comments on my post.
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ssjwizard
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Re: my setup [Re: inv3rse]
#5428484 - 03/22/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes i considered pearlite however about 85% of the bottom surface area inside the FC is going to be covered by the trays containing the mushroom substrates. i was thinking i might mount a cantainer of pearlite on the side wall and put an air pump to it which would probbably push quite a bit of moisture into the air. but were gona see how we can maintain without an additional sorce of humidity and work from there.
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when using casings they put off all the moisture you're going to need. It doesnt hurt to put in some perlite to give a little more and mist down the sides of the container, but you wont need to rig a setup like the one you mentioned. Just fan and mist, simple as pie
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Re: my setup [Re: coda]
#5428623 - 03/22/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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good to know, so could i use like 50/50 peat pearlite as a casing layer?
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Perlite is not a casing layer, its simply for airiation.
I would check out the poor-mans-pod as a terrarium. It not only provides humidity, it also provides air exchange.
As for your incubater, the heat bomb will work fine, but, I highly recommend a tub-in-tub.
As for casing, I personally use coir/verm. Have had nothing but success with it. Very easy stuff to work with.
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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
#5429116 - 03/22/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds good.
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I'd prefer geo-lite if i had the choice. Seems more addaptable to sudden changes.
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ok i made my first venture out this evening to gather suplies so ill be set to go soon as my spores arrive. ok so i decided on this sterilite tub that was starin me down in walmart. 9 dollars and this sucker is BIG its 90 QT cappacity about 18" high and 14" deep and id say around 3ft long. it holds nicly 3 1/2 sheet steam pans which i have lots of and there nice and disposible if anything goes wrong. ok also picked up a small rubbermaid lock top cantainer gold in color 12 qt cappacity to use for incubation. unfortunatly i wasnt able to find any pint jars yet but during my online research ace hardwere of all places carrys them. didnt locate any BRF yet but im headed for the sunflower market tomarrow to check for that. with a stop off at lowes for vermiculite and the compost that i selected and i think im done. well actualy ill also need to grab some oven bags but thats a minor detail and i should be able to get those at the market while im there. now assuming that im able to maintain stable conditions what would you estimate my aproximate yeild to run around assuming that i only get 1 flush and i run all 3 trays at the same time?
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Yield questions are very hard to ask. Alot of variables.
Get geolite at a local hydroponic store.
Wal-mart has jars.
Get BRF at a local health food store.
Lowes may have verm, not sure. If not, goto a local nursery.
What are you using compost for? K.I.S.S
This your first grow? You are already casing. Just get through a harvest before you start adding other 'supplements' to the mix.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
#5437223 - 03/24/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok well ill try to clarify.
as for a compost that im using its Black Kow brand cow manure/compost that ill mix with verm for watter storage and mild aeration. both of these products are avalible at my local lowes(lucky).
my walmart doesnt carry jars at this time of year so ill be seeking another scource but i know i can find them. lots of places i can check but ive got some good ideas.
thinking my sunflower market(healthfood store) will have BRF or atleast brown rice that i can grind up.
im going to be incubating acording the the PF tek method and then using Hyphae casing stradigy. found here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0
light will be provided by an 18" under cabinet flourestent lamp on a 12/12 cycle.
and ill be using peatmoss as a casing medium possibly with some verm mixed in.
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Citric


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If you are using peatmoss you will need a ph buffer.
Try getting coco coir instead! Coir and verm work very well. You can find coir over at pet stores, in the reptile section. It is reptile bedding. Often called "Bed-A-Beast"
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
#5437254 - 03/24/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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good to know, ill be right next to a pet store tomarrow so ill get the coir instead of peat. now my understanding is coir is coconut husk will it need to be prepaired by soaking or is it fine to use as is?
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Citric


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You are gonna have to add water. It comes in a brick. Add water and it expands. I usually use one bag of verm to one brick of coir.
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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
#5448382 - 03/27/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok so after some hunt and gather the last few days im DONE!, ok so i got everything ill need for a bit. they were out of the brand of manure compost i was gona get but had a very similar prodcut for slightly less. SO that said today i preped 2 jars acording the the directions in PF tek for simple minds linked from the FAQ pages. no PC today so i loaded them into a large pot and set them ontop a steamer basket i have(basicly a reverse bowl shape with feet that unfolds to a nice flat surface of polished stainless with 1/8" holes cut in it very nice great for shrimp) poured enough water to come about 1/4 way up the jars put up the heat to full untill i reached a good boil then cut it back to half and maintained a boil for 2.5hrs. inoculation holes in the lids and sealed with foil below the bands. right now there nice and cool awaiting inoculation but im gona give them a few hrs while i let my incubator warm up a bit as the silicone only finished curing a few hrs ago. fruiting chamber isnt drilled yet and i havnt cut the window in the lid but ive got a few weeks before i need to finish that up.
one quick question im using a manure compost with small bark chips added. how much vermiculite should i add? do you think 70/30 compost/verm would be suitable or should i push it to 50/50. also plan to pasturise in the oven using a reynolds oven bag at 350 deg for 3hrs(acording to this tek Oven-Bag Pasteurization Pictorial )
anyways thanks for all the help thus far and i think im on my way to maintining a great new hobby.
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Easy Poo Pasteurization seems a bit easier. 50/50 sounds about right, but you're casing with compost? Usually you spawn to compost, then case. Are you talking about coco coir?
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ssjwizard
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Re: my setup [Re: DIRTYMAN]
#5448723 - 03/27/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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spawning to compost, then casing with coco coir.
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ok so here i am about 5 days from inoculation. 1 jar almost seems like its germinating but it also apears that it could just be thick spots of BRF but its all over one side of the jar so im hoping this is MYC. the other jar is just lookin like a jar of wet vermiculite with BRF. these are inside a sealed plastic cantainer presed up agenst my heatbomb wraped in 4 layers of very thick poly batting(polyfill used for quilts) is germination normaly this slow in PF jars? would i get much quicker results with another medium? i dont have a PC and cant get one for a few months so im most comfortable with PF style. should i start a LC jar would that jumpstart jar production enough to be noticable?
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Germination can take a really long time with spores. LC's definately make it way faster because you let them germinate in the solution and can then just inoculate with mycelium which will start to colonize immediately. Plus they save money.
When you pasteurize, make sure you just use the higher oven temperatures just to start bringing the bag up to the range you want to go. You want to put a meat thermometer in the bag, and turn down the heat once it starts to approach the 160-180 temperature range that people use to pasteurize. You seem like you've been pretty meticulous about researching, so I don't know if you already understand that, but you definately don't want the compost to be 350 degrees for 3 hours.
I know you already said that the steer compost is what's available locally, but there really aren't any horse stables around you can get some poo from? Maybe you'll have good results with the stuff you get, but the only time I tried store bought composted cow manure it was terrible. The yeilds were not worth it at all. Horse poo on the other hand is phenomenal.
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Re: my setup [Re: PORkSOdA]
#5471466 - 04/02/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ya id have to drive over 200 miles to have access to a horse stable i prety much live smack in the middle of a suburb and directly next to a very large city.
my concern with LC would simply be how long can it last if not refridgerated?
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Hey Porksoda, I'm pretty new so forgive me if this is a stupid question. 
What is LC?
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Liquid Culture. Its really easy to make as well. Just take a jar, put a hole in it, add a cup of water, add a teaspoon of honey or karo with vanilla or vanilla, and then pc at 20psi for 15 minutes, take out let cool, hit it up with some spores, in about 5 days you should have myc growing in it. Suck some of that up in a syringe, shoot it in a jar, 1-2 days later the jars colonize.
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ok so last jars stalled and were discarded. ive determined that my syringe was not bad but simply quite weak, either there werent enough spores or they had low germination rate. i determined this by using 3ml of solution(leaving me with just under 5ml) to start a LC jar. this is about 2 wks old and it seem to me that it should be further along but theres definatly a good volume of mycelium in it. 3 days ago i prepaired 2 new jars and 2 days ago i injected the remaining spore solution i had into them. i am currently boiling 2 more jars made using the coffee method. prepaired acording to PF tek for simple minds using 1/2 coffee 1/2 water inplace of just water. im going to inoculate these jars either late tonight or tomarrow with the LC that ive got made up. so hopfully in a few weeks i should have some nice jars of mycelium growing and ill finaly get a chance to use my fruiting chamber.
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outa curiosity why the hell have you gathered so much stuff and equipment, to knock up *2* jars at a time? how do you plan on filling three casing trays like you mentioned from a lonely 2 jars? they are half pinters right? on a friend's first grow he got 3 dozen jars, made 4 LC's from a small portion of a single syringe, knocked up 30 (10 at a time, spaced out with a week between so they wouldn't all finish at once), and kept 2 empties around just in case there were other uses for them later. oh boy did the jars just keep on coming. as the first jars cakes finish fruiting, the last jars are ready to go on, and a nice continuous cycle is thus made 
and your jars didn't stall because of spores. if you have a bad or dilute spore syringe, they simply wont start. if they started, and stalled, its something else. if you're using jars larger than 1/2 pints, theres a good chance thats why. if you kept your air holes tightly covered, that's another reason why. if they were exposed to excessive heat at some point, there's yet another possibility. if they were infected by bacteria, they'd smell, and stall... well you get the picture, there's lots of other reasons why jars stall. especially considering your LC worked, you just proved the spores are fine.
I think you're making an incorrect assumption that its the spores, need to take a closer look here and find out what the real reason was so it doesn't happen again.
a better idea might be to suck up that LC you got going. get as much myc as you can into the syringe. if you see some floaties in there you're good. shake like mad. use something like 2-3cc per 1/2pt jar spread between the 4 innoc points. go for more jars, 10 or 12. it will take 2-3 syringes worth of LC to get them all. you'll notice growth just explode within 3-4 days... especially when adding coffee ive seen full colonization in as little as 10 days (but IMO 25% coffee to 75% water is more ideal. coffee is acidic, and so are myc waste products. too much coffee means too acidic an environment towards the end of your colonizing, and slowed or stalled growth right near the very end.)
good luck.
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i have all this stuff that i INTEND on using to its fullest AFTER i get my methods locked in. the 2 jars at a time are simply so that i dont waste to much material in failure. and your right my last jars didnt stall they never began i looked at pictures i took of them and what i beleived to be mycelium that stalled i further examined and it was just wet clumps of BRF. i have 2 dozen jars that ill be able to use once i actualy get up and going im just tring to be cautous with my startup beacouse id rather use my money for something else since i allready spent as much as i need to for several full grows. i just inoculated the 2 coffee jars with LC about 6 ml each beacouse my LC looks very sparse compared to some images ive seen here on the shroomery. im aware that its easy to excede the moisture level in the jars and i took into account that i would be doing this when prepairing the jars they had just enough for the verm brf to be properly prepaired but i put 1/4 inch of dry verm on the bottom of the jar so that the excess moisture will have someplace to go so its not pooling. these jars i went with 5 inoculation points using about 1ml in each point. i hope to see something happening with the lc/coffee jars in about 3-4 days. anyways thanks for the reply hope to talk to ya more in the future.
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