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my setup
    #5428348 - 03/22/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok so after geting some tips earlier and reading through some more teks and faq reports today i think i decided on how im going to do my setup.
im going to be using an opaque container i found lieing around that measures about 10x6x11" as an incubator with the "heatbomb" i happen to have a nice 75W aquarium heater with digital temp readout that ill keep set at around 82f.

for my fruiting chamber im going to use a Rubbermaid 50 Qt. Clear Impressions Box which dimensions are around 11x26x16" and is clear. ill be drilling 2 holes on each of the far ends with my 1" hole saw. ill either stuff these with poly fill or tape on a piece of heppa filter which i think imight have lieing around.

for my fruting trays im actualy going to use 3 trays inside the furiting box so that i can grow multiple varietys aswell as stagger my harvest dates so i can keep a more continus suply of mushrooms. these i have around i used them to store office suplys at one time measure 9x12x5".

ill be using the basic PF tek for incubation and ill be spawning them to the trays which ill be filling with a mixture of Black Kow, manure compost(yes i know horse is better, but i dont much want to ship compost and this is whats avalible localy) and Vermiculite about 70/30% and pasturised acording to the directions in this post.
Oven-Bag Pasteurization Pictorial

for lighting i have an extra 18" under counter flouresent lamp that im going to remove from its current hosusing into a reflector that ill be making using basic hardboard, wood glue, and white paint. which ill be setint ontop of the fruiting chamber working off a timer set to 12/12 cycle.

im working on designing a dryer box but thats something ill worry about later. i may just use my 105deg food dehydrator assuming that all the mushroms will fit between the trays.

for starters ive selected the John Allen variety of P. Cubensis as its listed as quick to colonise and highly contaminate resistant.

the only thing im not sure about i think is how to maintain the humidity levels which may be naturaly stabilised due to the high surface area of the substrates but for this i guess well just have to see. i live in an area where we have very low RH so if anyone has any advise or sugestions to offer up i much apreciate any and all feedback or comments on my post.


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5428476 - 03/22/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would suggest the  Perlite Humidification Technique  :thumbup: :thumbup: :mushroom2: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: my setup [Re: inv3rse]
    #5428484 - 03/22/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes i considered pearlite however about 85% of the bottom surface area inside the FC is going to be covered by the trays containing the mushroom substrates. i was thinking i might mount a cantainer of pearlite on the side wall and put an air pump to it which would probbably push quite a bit of moisture into the air. but were gona see how we can maintain without an additional sorce of humidity and work from there.


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5428615 - 03/22/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

when using casings they put off all the moisture you're going to need.  It doesnt hurt to put in some perlite to give a little more and mist down the sides of the container, but you wont need to rig a setup like the one you mentioned.  Just fan and mist, simple as pie :smile:


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Re: my setup [Re: coda]
    #5428623 - 03/22/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

good to know, so could i use like 50/50 peat pearlite as a casing layer?


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5428778 - 03/22/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Perlite is not a casing layer, its simply for airiation.

I would check out the poor-mans-pod as a terrarium. It not only provides humidity, it also provides air exchange.

As for your incubater, the heat bomb will work fine, but, I highly recommend a tub-in-tub.

As for casing, I personally use coir/verm. Have had nothing but success with it. Very easy stuff to work with.


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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
    #5429116 - 03/22/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sounds good.


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Re: my setup [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5429134 - 03/22/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd prefer geo-lite if i had the choice. Seems more addaptable to sudden changes.


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Re: my setup [Re: ShroomFoot]
    #5437157 - 03/24/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok i made my first venture out this evening to gather suplies so ill be set to go soon as my spores arrive. ok so i decided on this sterilite tub that was starin me down in walmart. 9 dollars and this sucker is BIG its 90 QT cappacity about 18" high and 14" deep and id say around 3ft long. it holds nicly 3 1/2 sheet steam pans which i have lots of and there nice and disposible if anything goes wrong. ok also picked up a small rubbermaid lock top cantainer gold in color 12 qt cappacity to use for incubation. unfortunatly i wasnt able to find any pint jars yet but during my online research ace hardwere of all places carrys them. didnt locate any BRF yet but im headed for the sunflower market tomarrow to check for that. with a stop off at lowes for vermiculite and the compost that i selected and i think im done. well actualy ill also need to grab some oven bags but thats a minor detail and i should be able to get those at the market while im there. now assuming that im able to maintain stable conditions what would you estimate my aproximate yeild to run around assuming that i only get 1 flush and i run all 3 trays at the same time?


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5437209 - 03/24/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yield questions are very hard to ask. Alot of variables.

Get geolite at a local hydroponic store.

Wal-mart has jars.

Get BRF at a local health food store.

Lowes may have verm, not sure. If not, goto a local nursery.

What are you using compost for? K.I.S.S

This your first grow? You are already casing. Just get through a harvest before you start adding other 'supplements' to the mix.


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Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
    #5437223 - 03/24/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok well ill try to clarify.

as for a compost that im using its Black Kow brand cow manure/compost that ill mix with verm for watter storage and mild aeration. both of these products are avalible at my local lowes(lucky).

my walmart doesnt carry jars at this time of year so ill be seeking another scource but i know i can find them. lots of places i can check but ive got some good ideas.

thinking my sunflower market(healthfood store) will have BRF or atleast brown rice that i can grind up.

im going to be incubating acording the the PF tek method and then using Hyphae casing stradigy. found here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0

light will be provided by an 18" under cabinet flourestent lamp on a 12/12 cycle.

and ill be using peatmoss as a casing medium possibly with some verm mixed in.


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5437234 - 03/24/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you are using peatmoss you will need a ph buffer.

Try getting coco coir instead! Coir and verm work very well. You can find coir over at pet stores, in the reptile section. It is reptile bedding. Often called "Bed-A-Beast"


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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
    #5437254 - 03/24/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

good to know, ill be right next to a pet store tomarrow so ill get the coir instead of peat. now my understanding is coir is coconut husk will it need to be prepaired by soaking or is it fine to use as is?


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5437261 - 03/24/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are gonna have to add water. It comes in a brick. Add water and it expands. I usually use one bag of verm to one brick of coir.


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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: my setup [Re: Citric]
    #5448382 - 03/27/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok so after some hunt and gather the last few days im DONE!, ok so i got everything ill need for a bit. they were out of the brand of manure compost i was gona get but had a very similar prodcut for slightly less. SO that said today i preped 2 jars acording the the directions in PF tek for simple minds linked from the FAQ pages. no PC today so i loaded them into a large pot and set them ontop a steamer basket i have(basicly a reverse bowl shape with feet that unfolds to a nice flat surface of polished stainless with 1/8" holes cut in it very nice great for shrimp) poured enough water to come about 1/4 way up the jars put up the heat to full untill i reached a good boil then cut it back to half and maintained a boil for 2.5hrs. inoculation holes in the lids and sealed with foil below the bands. right now there nice and cool awaiting inoculation but im gona give them a few hrs while i let my incubator warm up a bit as the silicone only finished curing a few hrs ago. fruiting chamber isnt drilled yet and i havnt cut the window in the lid but ive got a few weeks before i need to finish that up.

one quick question im using a manure compost with small bark chips added. how much vermiculite should i add? do you think 70/30 compost/verm would be suitable or should i push it to 50/50. also plan to pasturise in the oven using a reynolds oven bag at 350 deg for 3hrs(acording to this tek Oven-Bag Pasteurization Pictorial )

anyways thanks for all the help thus far and i think im on my way to maintining a great new hobby.


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5448444 - 03/27/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Easy Poo Pasteurization  seems a bit easier. 50/50 sounds about right, but you're casing with compost? Usually you spawn to compost, then case. Are you talking about coco coir? :bongload:


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Re: my setup [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5448723 - 03/27/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

spawning to compost, then casing with coco coir.


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5470589 - 04/02/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok so here i am about 5 days from inoculation. 1 jar almost seems like its germinating but it also apears that it could just be thick spots of BRF but its all over one side of the jar so im hoping this is MYC. the other jar is just lookin like a jar of wet vermiculite with BRF. these are inside a sealed plastic cantainer presed up agenst my heatbomb wraped in 4 layers of very thick poly batting(polyfill used for quilts) is germination normaly this slow in PF jars? would i get much quicker results with another medium? i dont have a PC and cant get one for a few months so im most comfortable with PF style. should i start a LC jar would that jumpstart jar production enough to be noticable?


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Re: my setup [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5470716 - 04/02/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Germination can take a really long time with spores. LC's definately make it way faster because you let them germinate in the solution and can then just inoculate with mycelium which will start to colonize immediately. Plus they save money.

When you pasteurize, make sure you just use the higher oven temperatures just to start bringing the bag up to the range you want to go. You want to put a meat thermometer in the bag, and turn down the heat once it starts to approach the 160-180 temperature range that people use to pasteurize. You seem like you've been pretty meticulous about researching, so I don't know if you already understand that, but you definately don't want the compost to be 350 degrees for 3 hours.

I know you already said that the steer compost is what's available locally, but there really aren't any horse stables around you can get some poo from? Maybe you'll have good results with the stuff you get, but the only time I tried store bought composted cow manure it was terrible. The yeilds were not worth it at all. Horse poo on the other hand is phenomenal.


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Re: my setup [Re: PORkSOdA]
    #5471466 - 04/02/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ya id have to drive over 200 miles to have access to a horse stable i prety much live smack in the middle of a suburb and directly next to a very large city.

my concern with LC would simply be how long can it last if not refridgerated?


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