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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: badjessejames]
    #793564 - 08/03/02 02:06 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That's BAD, BJJ!

The Alcohol + Benzo combi is highly synergistic an dalot of people lose boundaries better left intact. The Roofie + Alc combi is known here in Holland for agressive outbursts in people who use this combi. Each one seperate might be good, but the combi can make you hurl & OD unpleasantly. Even I don't like the Combi. 12mg is an extremely high dose of Klo, tho. I wouldn't dare take that much even without the alcohol! Benzo's dare generally quite low-risk when used in moderation, but if taken to excess or with alcohol they can be very dangerous.


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #793788 - 08/03/02 08:07 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Your first post? you have over 400???

This is a very good thread!


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #793800 - 08/03/02 08:12 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yea I agree this combo is extremely dangerous, this I can tell you from experience. I myself am very lucky to still be alive and writing this post today, however I know at least 10 or 12 friends who were not so lucky.

This morning my best friend was sleeping in his bed
His face like a jewel and he was dead
He was a friend of mine
Now he's dead and gone


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Ripple]
    #795014 - 08/04/02 03:52 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Thanx 4 the compliment Ripple!
When you write your first post you'd better have something to say I figured

Alcohol & Benzo's... It's very sad to lose friends, particularly by some stupid accident that could've easily be avoided. A friend of mine got piss-drunk, raped & got AIDS because of this. Life can be very, very tough. My condolances

I believe everything'll turn out fine in the end by Re?ncarnation, but this is a meager comfort in the light of Life's fragile nature.

Everybody PLEASE be careful with your Mind, Body and Soul. Recreational and Pharmaceutical drugs are BIG THINGS and I urge you to take responsibility for your own life and those around you you affect. Drugs aren't toys and using them carries risk and demands responsible behavior. Combinations are especially dangerous, as are high doses in general. To All: know Your Self & your Drugs.
I feel this should be said.




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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #801307 - 08/07/02 02:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Over a 1.000 people have looked at this and a 5 shroomy rating!
Has anybody NOT read this thread yet???


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #802289 - 08/07/02 12:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

guess I missed it my bad...benzo is clonazepam clonapin in this category its for anxiety and i know it would mix well with shrooms ...


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: UFOz8MyGoat] * 1
    #803656 - 08/08/02 01:42 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

IMPORTANT UPDATE !!!

I've been experimenting lately with NiacinAMIDE, Vitamin B3 Amide aka. Nicotinic acid AMIDE and have come up with GREAT results.

I got searching after I read that B-3 enhances GABA activity in the brain, just as Benzo's do. Would Niacinamide (a NO FLUSH FORM of B-3) act similarly as a Benzo as to ease difficult trips & give an all-natural equivalent to BenzoTripping?

IT DOES! I've discovered 100mg of Niacinamide is about equal in potency to 1-2mg of Valium (Diazepam). There only is one catch: the first 15-30minutes will be MORE INTENSE. This may make Bad Trips worse for some minutes but may also give resolution if the Bad one wasn't caused by overload.

Thus B3 is best suited to take along with your Shroomdose to yield what I have named a B3-Trip. It works just like a BenzoTrip but instead of using a Benzo one merely takes a Vitamin which is good for you. I get my Niacinamide in bottles of 100 tabs of 100mg for $5 and this would be equivalent to 20-40 tabs of VALIUM-5, which is highly impressive. For a 1 gram trip of strong shrooms (say 12mg of Psilocybin) 100-300mg of Niacinamide will suffice. To counter a bad trip I'd say take 300mg, repeat twice if necessary. One may expect a buildup of 15-30min, clear decline in 45min and a totally smooth trip at 1 1/2 hours after taking B3, provided the Bad one was caused by OVERLOAD and NOT Psychologics.

Nicotinic ACID may be used as well, I guess, but this causes a highly unpleasant body rush in the doses described, and I suspect it gives a tremendous boost before smoothing out the Trip, so I guess this woud be best used, if at all, as a salute to the shroom to liven it up again whilst coming down.

I think Inositol Hexanicotinate (another No Flush B3) will be too slow-acting to be of practical use.
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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #804216 - 08/08/02 10:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oki, first of all thanks a lot for starting and (sort of) moderating this great thread. I took the time to read all of the posts in it, so you can tell I liked it a lot :]
So I think on my next shroom trip I will try Niacinamide to protect myself a little .

If I understood you right, this is what I do:
Go to the pharmacy, ask for Niacinamide tablets, buy them (legally even :]) and ingest them about 45 minutes prior to the point of time where I believe that the shrooms will kick in ?


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: bla]
    #805271 - 08/08/02 06:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

WS:....Yeah ... I've also read in other posts that this works well.

bla: You can buy it at any store that sells vitamins....I don't think a pharmacy would even carry it.


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #806207 - 08/09/02 06:06 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one acquire benzos without a prescription nor a black market dealer?


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Swami]
    #808991 - 08/10/02 03:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

[how does one acquire benzos without a prescription ]

One does not!


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #809465 - 08/10/02 06:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

all a matter of style. Antiseizure meds work for chilling down the trip. Advantage is that they're not controlled, so uncle leo has no beef with you. I keep neurontin, dilantin, and lamictal on hand. Ordered them for internet pharmacy in thailand. Once the experience progresses from being fresh/up/interesting to irritating/stressful/useless time has come to do 25 mg. of lamictal sublingual, followed by 100-200 mg of neurontin or 100-300 mg of dilantin. Works like a charm up to medium intensity trip experiences, not strong enough for full up bugouts. Don't dose higher, because these medicines need an adaptation period while the body produces the necesary enzymes to metabolize them. Some interactions, check your PDR, please.


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: dendritic44]
    #810131 - 08/11/02 06:09 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How to get Benzo's? Don't worry! Or actually: DO WORRY, worry about it in the late hours of the night & keep on worrying, then visit a doc and explain you can't sleep because you're worrying about important issues you can't get out of your head...

What works for me is Niacinamide taken at the same time as the Shrooms & I do that with Diet 7UP because that potentiates just about any alkaloid. (lotsa Citric and Carbonic acids, no sugar)

Dendritic: be VERY CAREFUL with those anticonvulsants! They're way more dangerous than Benzo's generally and easier to overdo. Lamictal (Lamotrigine) is notorious for causing "Stevens Johnson Syndrome" a lifethreatening skin condition. I've seen medical photo's of both Iraqi Mustard Gas victims and I've seen SJS photos. I couldn't tell them apart. It's like a bucket of boiling oil is poured out over your head and that's as explicit as I want to get.

Dunno Neurontin but 100-300mg of Dilantin (Phenytoin) is quite a stiff dose & you're naming quite a combi there! (two different kinds of anticonvulsants at once) How does it work for you? Any noticable sideFX?

I think that for Bad Trip intervention one is best off with a Benzo and for special trips the B3-Trip would be best. A way to speed up the onset of Benzo's is to pulverize the tab and place it under the tongue (sublingual) as the B enters the bloodstream much quicker that way. Lorazepam (Ativan) is even prescribed that way. 1mg Lorazepam = 10mg Diazepam (Valium)


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #810588 - 08/11/02 11:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, good point about the Stevens-Johnson syndrome
and Lamicatal.

Let me back up a step and put this in context.

My psychoactive allies at the present come from
the tryptamine family, 2ct-2, DPt, 5-meo-Dpt and
a vial of AMT that remains unopened.

I dose for subtlety these days. No more dynamite to the
next level of consciousness. Better to combine meditation,
bodywork, lots of exercise, good nutrition, intense sex,
and a pinch of tryptamine for extra juice.

Resultantly, the dosage is fairly minimal to achieve the
desired mental condition. A chunk of 5-meo the size of a
sesame seed is a good start, twice that big a serious buzz.

Lamictal does have some major caveats surrounding its
use. One in one thousand adults who took it to control
seizures developed S-J syndrome, and more worrying, one
in fifty adolescents did. For that reason, lamictal is
only prescribed for the adult population.

However, these are a group that ramped up their
dose fairly rapidly (one report describes an end
dosage of 300 mg/day and 500 mg/day, seems like a
hell of a lot to me!) and stayed on it for a while.

The full studies are not available, but the suggestion
is that these symptoms appeared within two weeks. What
were the dosage levels adjusted for body weight or the
mean period before the onset of the first symptoms ?
No good info there.

Rememeber,when your alternative is seizure induced
brain injury, you're more inclined to take medicine that
no sane person otherwise would. High doses of anticonvulsants
over extended periods are dangerous. Epileptics, God help them,
are forced to live with this pharmacological reality every
day of their lives.

In my case, I made a risk/reward calculation that
I took responsibility for. Everyone out there has to
consider the risks and rewards of every decision they
make. Old Taoist saying goes four times over in this game,
"measure twice, cut once".

My decision, as applies only to me, is that the risk of
taking a single 25 mg. Lamicatal, on occasion, as a first
step in taking the edge off my little tryptamine moment,
was not too great in comparison to the wear and tear on
my brain that it was sparing me.

If that didn't have the desired effect, then I would take
either 100 mg. of Dilantin OR 100 mg. of Neurontin, never
both together, either one or the other. The wait about
45 minutes. The most I've ever had to take in this context
is 200 mg. of Neurontin.

Personally, I tend to favor Dilantin as a better match for
my body chemistry. Neurontin feels heavier, but it is
GABAergic, so it gives you some of the same dynamics as benzos
do.

Dilantin is chemically a relative of barbiturates, so its
toxicity and other problems are going to be somewhat barblike.

Absolutely do not consume alcohol or take a lot
of other unknown meds with any of these. But that's
plain old common sense. Dilantin is an old medicine, and
just about everything that is going to be known about it
already is. Definitely consult a PDR and look up drug
interactions. Some of the newer antifungal drugs (maybe even
Diflucan?) and antihistamines have had weird interactions.

Same goes for Neurontin, or any other prescription med
you want to ingest. Used wisely and in moderation, they
can be useful helpers.


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: dendritic44]
    #816483 - 08/14/02 01:36 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Good point!

Personally I've read about Phenytoin in bad trip intervention and have used it once in a 100mg dose, several times more in 25-50mg doses. I would prefer it to Lamictal but then again: That's use as a means to end a bad trip & not an effective anticonvulsant dose...

If anyone wants to give Lamictal a recreational try I strongly disrecommend it and you should at least work it up slow. It's a dichlorobenzylhydrazine and that means you can get all sorts of allergic or hypersensitivityreactions, especially on abusing it. It's affinity for pigmented parts of the body has me worried too.
Why am I down on Lamictal? My mother took it and worked her way up to 150mgs once daily exactly as Glaxo-Smithkline recommends. She got a severe allergic reaction suspected to be Stevens Johnson and was rushed to the hospital. Fortunately it wasn't SJS, they're certain about it now but she has to get a new pharm as soon as possible & the swellings & such have to fade away. She's doing much better now but I still think it's bad stuff, especially for the kids outthere.

To the newbie outthere: PHARMS AREN'T TOYS! If you want to get fucked up don't be surprised if you get fucked over by the drug!





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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #818134 - 08/15/02 03:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Very cool
I wished I would have had this info a long time ago. I one time ate acid then one of my bro s came over with a bunch of Blue ringers, so I ate a whole bunch of em
also. What a wacked out trip that was!!!! If I would have known this earlier I
could have returned to earth sooner.Just ask Roadkill about that trip I believe he was there.
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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: metalfinn]
    #819243 - 08/16/02 04:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

consider something called Bioactive B-12.... it comes in the form of a sublingual
lozenge, usually 1 mg. and 5 mg. doses. It won't have any direct effect on the trip,
but it will protect against brain damage from excess neuronal stimulation.
Sorry to say, but yes, there really are psychedelic casualties. Better not to wake up and find yourself half gone for the next twenty years.
Bioactive B-12 is known as METHYLcobalamin... regular b-12 is CYANOcobalamin... about 1% of regualr b-12 converts into Bioactive B-12 in the liver.
Methylcobalamin is a known "neuroprotective" supplement. That means it protects the CNS (central nervous system... i.e. yer brane, as well as the peripheral nervous system, i.e. spinal cord and nerves) against unintentional damage from overstimulation...

DON'T take this stuff and think it will be a free ticket to be insanely reckless, becaue that is, well, not the smart way to do things in the first place.

I would consider supplementing with it before and serious adventures as a matter of good long term brain health.

You can read up on all the boring science behind this with articles like

"Chronic administration of methylcobalamin protects cultured retinal neurons against N-methyl-D- aspartate-receptor-mediated glutamate neurotoxicity, probably by altering the membrane properties through SAMe-mediated methylation".



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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: dendritic44]
    #825028 - 08/18/02 08:36 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Aye: there really are psychedelic casualties.
Met & read alot of 'em on the Shroomery fora...

It's really tragic: people still believe nothing bad can happen on psychedelics & don't even bother to read up on it. There's HPPD outthere, Psychotic breakdowns, "Insights" that take the foundations from under your life, LSD traffic accidents, Shroom suicides, bad trips that keep lingering & lingering for years on end... But alot of Shroomerites do NOT want to hear this. "Oh sure, some unstable dude probably.." well: under a good 1/8 of Shrooms EVERYBODY is an "unstable dude"...

The risks are relatively small as compared to other drugs, but risks there are!

On METHYLcobalamin... I'm gonna try to find that over here in Holland! I take megavitamins and strongly believe everybody should, especially us druggies! Since it mainly concerns NMDA this form of B12 should be especially useful for people into the dangerous Dissociatives like Ketamine or DXM. Thanx man!


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: Asante]
    #825632 - 08/18/02 02:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

that's correct about methyl B12 and dissociatives. Some more mainstream literature
is recommending this before Nitrous Oxide at the dentist. Salvia , especially the salvia concentrates, may fall into this category too. Don't overlook this for your serotonin family trips, though. I would (and will) take a 5mg. dose before any serious adventuring. Back on topic, have had some great times, very outrageous though, mixing lsd and quaaludes... instead of normal tripping, I started babbling like a demon possesed maniac at a fundamentalist revival... became a firehose of verbal trash spraying anyone who ventured near... then went out and saw beautiful delicate lacy patterns glowing all over everything... the feeling was incredibly sexy... like a three hour orgasm... but I feel sorry for anyone not attuned to the vibe who had to endure my company... hard combo to find, quality acid meets good quaa's... remember not to add alcohol to this mix... one of my old buds passed on as a result of beer+quaalude... went to sleep in a strange position and closed off his windpipe.. woke up dead...


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Re: EVERYBODY READ THIS !!! Psychedelics & Benzo's [Re: dendritic44]
    #825656 - 08/18/02 02:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

another nice idea is to use a mind machine the day before you trip to tune your state. Photosonix Nova Pro is great for this. Even by itself it can be surprisingly intense and leave your head a tad jumpy... all that flashing light causes noradrenaline release in the brain... you said you are epileptic ? forget it... strobed light can trigger seizures... although there have been reports of epileptics taking lsd, mushrooms, etc... and how does that interact with all the meds they take ?... well, lets say you aren't seizure prone or highly anxious... you might want to take a little valium to get slippery and lay back with the true white goggles on one of their longer meditation routines, give you brain exchanges (like the corpus collosum) a good workout, get both hemispheres in sync... a well tuned trip can be pretty damn amazing... kinda of more precise experience


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