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Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ?
    #5344317 - 02/27/06 08:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Guys!
With the increase in availability of Psychotria Viridis I would like to know how much is considered a proper dose (when smoked). In the audio and written work of Terence McKenna I have I cannot find his recommended smoking dose for Chacruna although he gives his dry weight doses for psilocybin. How much did he use? Can anyone help please?


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5344467 - 02/27/06 10:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Viridis is not active smoked... it is a component of ayahuasca.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Mezcal]
    #5344579 - 02/27/06 11:14 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It'd probably require smoking upwards of 50grams in an extremely short amount of time.

Like snyder said, it isn't smoked. Either you extract it or make it into tea. When terrance referenced it specifically he was likely talking about ayahuasca.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5345048 - 02/27/06 02:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

If you want the DMT from Psychotria viridis, just brew some Ayahuasca :smile:.

Although I'm sure if you could get the cultivation down, it would make a lovely house plant. I have heard however that germination time can be a bit lengthy.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Psilocyan]
    #5345121 - 02/27/06 02:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, cuttings would be ideal.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5347677 - 02/28/06 01:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

go to erowid and find teh % dmt for dried weight. then figure out how much you want to dose. and you wouldnt have to smoke near 50 grams. thats silly. in fact from 1 gram to 3 grams is all you woudl need maybe less maybe more depending on quality. and DMT is active when smoked. please dont post if you dont know what you are talking about.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: the man]
    #5347812 - 02/28/06 01:56 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

"please dont post if you dont know what you are talking about. "

Yeah, would you mind?

One gram would get you a good few milligrams of DMT. What the hell are you talking about?

Mimosa is much more potent than viridis. The weaker mimosa will give you .57% alkaloids. One gram of that would only be 5.7mg of DMT. Viridis is weaker by *far*. Not to mention the duration you'd need to smoke it in. You'd need to kill it in a relatively short amount of time. Certainly less time than it'd take to smoke 3 grams of any leaf, if you want real smoked DMT effects. And there's no way in hell 3 grams would do it.

No one smokes viridis. No one.

"and DMT is active when smoked"

This is why there are extractions.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5348936 - 02/28/06 01:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

teh most recent study says there is a average of 10mgs of DMT per gram of leaf.  :smile:


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: the man]
    #5349102 - 02/28/06 02:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It might be possible, but don't count on coming across any leaves like that in an online store. Hah! When was the last time you heard of people taking 5-10 grams of viridis? Check out the ayahuasca.com forums. 25 at a bare minimum is suggested, many use 50-75+.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5374978 - 03/07/06 06:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Oooh!! Controversy. Well now T McKenna most certainly did smoke Psychotria Viridis in fact it was his preferred method of entering the DMT state. With huge prices being charged for "crystal" DMT we need to get to the bottom of this, I'll check my McKenna sources again.
Ha ha! You win. He smoked DMT he'd did not actually say that he smoked Chacruna.
These are some quotes from "The Great Hearts and Minds Lecture Series" tape McKenna did for "Evolution";
"What is unspeakable is unsayable"
"the ego is like a calcarius tumour that arises within the dynamics of the psyche."

Qu: How much "Toad Foam" (5 Methoxy -?- DMT) does one normally smoke for a trip and what is it's DMT content per gramme as compared to that of Psychotria Viridis?

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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5375480 - 03/07/06 08:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, that really didn't sound right... I'd believe that he'd tried it, but certainly not that it was his preferred method.

I don't know about the toad venom. I'm willing to bet that it varies a bit from toad to toad and sample to sample. I do know that it is primarily a 5-MeO-DMT trip. Not so much from any analysis, but rather experience reports, and having talked to those who have tried both DMT and toad venom that report a longer, less visual trip that takes a lot out of them.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5375510 - 03/07/06 08:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Koala Koolio said:
Yeah, that really didn't sound right... I'd believe that he'd tried it, but certainly not that it was his preferred method.

I don't know about the toad venom. I'm willing to bet that it varies a bit from toad to toad and sample to sample. I do know that it is primarily a 5-MeO-DMT trip. Not so much from any analysis, but rather experience reports, and having talked to those who have tried both DMT and toad venom that report a longer, less visual trip that takes a lot out of them.




Well he was at least clear about the toad foam (his brother is/was -?- a research chemist) he claims it is 5-Methoxy DMT.


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She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5375534 - 03/07/06 09:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I know, just that it might not be so comparable to viridis because of this. Perhaps more comparable to virola, or other primarily 5-MeO containing sources.

Yopo seeds, perhaps.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5376576 - 03/08/06 05:43 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

What the fuck is this doing in Ethnobotanical garden? Do you wish to grow Psychotria viridis?

Silverwolf you are a goofball.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Herbus]
    #5378268 - 03/08/06 07:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Herbus said:
What the fuck is this doing in Ethnobotanical garden? Do you wish to grow Psychotria viridis?

Silverwolf you are a goofball.




Yeah I know but this is where my Amanita Muscaria thread ended up so I've treated this forum slightly differently ("what? It's a thing...right?"), if you want it moved ask it's fine by me.


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Psychotria Viridis smoking dose ? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5426233 - 03/21/06 07:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

"Bump" Someone here offering Psychotria Viridis "the leaves can also be smoked in a joint for a powerful psychedelic effect" ?10/50g.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


Edited by Silverwolf (03/21/06 07:06 PM)


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