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To the otherside
    #5425959 - 03/21/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is this the right forum for this question?

Just curious if one can actually die from eating to many shrooms at one time.

The reason I'm asking this is I have thought about getting a group of close friends with me a eating till I puke or what not. And video taping the whole thing. I just don't want to place my friends in a situation that they could feel bad about later. You know like my death. I have a friend that is a medic so I should be safe in that respect.And has anyone attempted anything similar?


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5425995 - 03/21/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, even if you have one little cap you will have a fatal death.

There have been many posts asking this same question, the answer is No. It is about 80% of your body weight.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Shroomer215]
    #5426027 - 03/21/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whats about 80% of your body weight? Besides water that is.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5426136 - 03/21/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The lethal dose is 80%. Your plan still doesn't sound very safe though.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5426144 - 03/21/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

dude, it is impossible to OD on shrooms, you would have to eat pounds of it. no matter how much you eat, you'll be fine (assuming you mind can handle it).


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Re: To the otherside [Re: UlisSausage7]
    #5426196 - 03/21/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I kinda guessed that some may feel that attempting such a thing would be rather fool hardy.

Yet what I've thought to myself is that most people never really take what a "shaman" in days of old would have consumed for a spirit journey.I could be wrong but I have not been proven otherwise

I have done extensive trips in my day and just feel this is my path. I don't know how else to explain it


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5427608 - 03/21/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yea sorry i didn't finish that. But you can defiantly handle as much as you can eat, but what it comes down to is, can your mind handle it? Don't forget when you eat mushrooms, the effect is exponential. In other words 1/8 compared to a 1/4 is not just doubled the effect but a substantial amount more


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Shroomer215]
    #5427654 - 03/21/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I usually eat about a eighth but at times while in a safe environment I'll eat a quarter.And I just posted what happened to me the time I ate close to a half by somewhat accident

Shroomer215 Thank you for the advice


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5427741 - 03/21/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's possible to go into a catatonic state(coma) from eating too many shrooms. But that's if you eat a hell of a lot.

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Re: To the otherside [Re: peace_n_love]
    #5427774 - 03/21/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like a bad trip.
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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5428182 - 03/21/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shamans have access to ancient knowledge. Don't ever make the mistake of thinking you are on the same level. Pay attention and you wont need massive amounts of drugs to see their world. Be careful! its not all fun and games out there, I'm dead serious.

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Re: To the otherside [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5428438 - 03/22/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your good man. Like everyone else said; don't worry about it unless you stuff your face with them...lol


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Re: To the otherside [Re: inv3rse]
    #5428541 - 03/22/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You have your answer, which is no.  I did some calculations for how much a 150 pound person would have to eat to OD, and I came up with about 7 1/2 pounds.  I used the LD50 (the dose at which 50% of animals die) of rabbits, which have a much lower tolerance for psiloc(yb)in than rats and mice.  That might be why I didn't get 80%.
This is all purely academic, though, since it is physically impossible to eat the quantity of mushrooms necessary to OD within the time limit.

Sounds interesting.  I don't think I need to tell you that you guys should be prepared for things like your reaction to ego loss/death.. but I just did. :wink:
And don't eat them too fast, because if you just puke them right back up, you're just wasting whatever you didn't give time to digest.

And hopefully you're not planning on running for political office, because this tape could be a little damaging if it mysteriously surfaced during your campaign.  :grin:

P.S.  You probably weren't thinking of posting the video online, or..?  If you are, that would be a hoot -- but if you're not, you could always post an audio recording.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5428664 - 03/22/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why do people suggest such stupid things? Is it just me or does this sound like I really immature idea "to get fucked up". RESPECT THE MUSHROOMS. It's when people do things like this that they put a bad name on them. No offence this is not a personal attack on you.

Half of me says don't do it, the other half thinks you should so you will learn your lesson. Don't awake the sleeping giant.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5428685 - 03/22/06 04:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Just curious if one can actually die from eating to many shrooms at one time.
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The reason I'm asking this is I have thought about getting a group of close friends with me a eating till I puke or what not. And video taping the whole thing.




Not exactly wisdom.

The higher the dose gets, the more people either slip into convulsions/blackouts or return with the consequences of psychotraumatic events, such as PTSD.

As for the lethal dose being many pounds: don't count on it.

If you eat a pound or so of dried mushrooms of any sort you might well need emergency surgery to remove the swelling clot of hydrating mushrooms tissues.

If you have no tolerance I'd say eating one ounce dried might well be a dangerous endeavor. As for sources, how about common sense? An injection of 25mg DMT brings a person to the land of flying colors, but 100mg injected induces unconsciousness. Psilocin is one oxygen atom removed from DMT and is very similar in action.
On account of it being orally administered the dose-response curve will probably be less steep, but what will happen to a person if he takes a dose several times bigger than the one that couses unconsciousness? With almost any kind of drug this is coma and death.

If "your path" is to become a Fox news scare story about the evils of shrooms, I guess we can't stop you.

The Leary Group used towering doses of LSD. They tried psilocybin pills and were equally impressed with 100mg Psilocybin. This amount is contained in somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 ounce P.Cub.
I read somewhere that the "maximum safe dose" was considered to be 150mg. I don't know why this number was decided upon, but depending on the species this may be contained in 7.5-20gr of mushrooms.

Eating until you puke is the most irresponsible way of use I can think of. It basically guarantees you'll get more than is good for you, because there is a latency between impulse and reflex that may last several minutes, a latency you use by eting more and even more of it.

It is using mushrooms as a deliberate poison, and most people who are into mushrooms *loathe* that mentality.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Asante]
    #5430528 - 03/22/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would like to think I pretty good at avoiding bad trips.Mantras work great and being around the right people helps as well


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5430728 - 03/22/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If ya want a hell of a trip, just go the thumbprint of Acid way......Should be more than enough :smile:

You can go as far as your mind lets you, you could take 1g and be done, let the flow go..........or take a 1/4 and try to fight it.  If ya know the right ways of controlling your mind, 1g could take you farther than a 1/4.

Its all in the mind.

BTW i'm not expert, but its rather irresponsible to me.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5430762 - 03/22/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well one of the reasons I posed this question was for opinions and  honest answers.Plus this idea is only in my formative world. I do not plan on attempting to try to bring a end to my being just yet. :smile:
Thats why I'm planning on having a medic medic friend of mine and even possibly a doctor that I know from my circle of friends. I do not plan to go in flying blind.I have had many spiritual experiences and I am approaching this in the same manner.
My experiences have been profound. Even to the point that while tripping with others they had the same experience I did yet days later I would remind them of some of the things we saw and they where visibly shaken. Thats one of the reasons I took a ten year break from the whole experience.

And the funny thing is only by happenstance that I came back to this "path".


I'm not some whacked out person stumbling through time. Well maybe I am but I handle each world with to the best of my ability.And from where I stand here today I am proud of my accomplishments both physical and spiritual.
I truly feel I have become a more in touch being to those around me.And all because of my experiences.
I think thats pretty damn kewl!
But that just my opinion.



Okay so what you all are saying is. Maximum dose no more than a ounce and should be eaten slowly? I'm thinking of starting with seven or eight grams then slowly work my way into it.And I'm thinking like a ten hour period that I should have a few sitters with me. And as for eating till I puke.I heard or read some where that it is what one should do. So in turn I have carried that idea with me. Yet with the opinion I received from you all. I'm adjusting my ideas on how to approach this.TY

If I have offended anyone or made them recoil. My apologizes, But blunt questions usually get the straightest of answers.And for that I thank you all.



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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5430783 - 03/22/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As for acid I do partake.Yet I prefer what the mother gives us. Its more direct. But thats my opinion.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5430802 - 03/22/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We don't happen to stumble onto things; power guides us. There is no coincidence. A warrior stands on his own feet.


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    #5430948 - 03/22/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also One of my main reasons for wanting to do this. Last years Bonnaroo I had a experiance that was unfathomable in my opinion.And I feel that type of experience should be with those you feel kindred to.


Bonnaroo was the wrong place yet I did not realize what I had done till the wheel started spinning. It scared me that others where around who may not understood. But it was a sacred experience. And for that I am thankful.

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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5433063 - 03/23/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay so what you all are saying is. Maximum dose no more than a ounce





Cubies contain 3-12mg Psilocybin equivalents, 6mg/gr on average.

One ounce = 28 grams = 84-336mg psilocybin (~168mg on average)

The usual ratio of psilocybin use is 5-30mg, with 10-20mg as the universally accepted standard. You are talkinbg about a dose that's roughly twelve times as high.

The average Shroomery member (an average across 1.200 people participating) uses 2.34gr of Cubies for a trip. (7-28mg ~14mg) What makes you think a dose twelve times higher is a good idea.

We are not as much talking about bad trips as we're talking about getting *hurt* here.

If we take that "maximum safe dose" of literature as the ultimate maximum dose then the ultimate maximum anyone should take would be 12.5 grams of dried Cubies. This is double the amount most people can handle (and I mean handle) twice the amount even a few would choose to take, two and a half times Terence McKenna's "heroic dose" about four times the 1/8oz most people consider to be HARD tripping and over 5 times more than the average dose measured across 1.200 users.

So no, we don't mean one ounce tops.
Either you have a serious tolerance, have had some weak mushrooms compared to the rest of us, or things are bound to get extremely intense should you decide to embark on one ounce.
Nobody is saying an ounce is OK.


EDIT: I'm not trying to fight you with this barrage of numbers but to prevent you and others from paying dearly by biting off more than you can chew.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Asante]
    #5437730 - 03/24/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You say you hope my mind can Handle it but my concern is more the body.For it is the vessel.And like ships in a bottle.We look to the horizon or as some call it edge ......Yet it is more the vessel than it is the mode of moving through its time.

Space As And Has Ripples.But the girls just call the curves.

Bless The Mother !!


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5437786 - 03/24/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Something said:
You say you hope my mind can Handle it but my concern is more the body.For it is the vessel.And like ships in a bottle.We look to the horizon or as some call it edge ......Yet it is more the vessel than it is the mode of moving through its time.

Space As And Has Ripples.But the girls just call the curves.

Bless The Mother !!




what use is the vessel without a captain steering it? I don't think you know what you are getting yourself into. Don't mess with a force much greater than yourself. Good luck.


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    #5438826 - 03/24/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this guy is asking for it...


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Re: To the otherside [Re: LedHead]
    #5439203 - 03/24/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this guy is asking for it... I received it as well. And it was good


I was thinking this place had more of a open view but I guess not.

I have caught slack for my beliefs over the years and you know what I am still holding to those and I have.For this is who I am.



There should be a place for people like me and I guess it ain't here


Maybe I should just keep my beliefs within the circle I call friends.


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    #5439442 - 03/24/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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    #5439455 - 03/24/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

But a noble effort I might add


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    #5439511 - 03/24/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds to me like you've already went through some heavy, high dosage trips..where the bad sometimes get inevitable, where one must cope and zoom.

No one knows you well enough here...hopefully your friends know you well enough and they are contributing input.

All I can say is, if you feel like you havn't got to where you beleive you really could go with mushrooms, then dump them in a popcorn bowl and make your mark.

People have taken heavy dosages before, obviously...God only knows how much. They all comeback.
AS will you.

My suggestion for ya: Firstly, I think it's a great idea to film yourself eating the huge bowl of shroom....however fast you can withstand the tingle ruanch taste...you have someone ask you questions...have yourself talk about what you're feeling..keeping eating them untill you get in it.....I'm sure it will be quite a bit. It'd be fun to watch.

You wouldn't remember much of it..but I'm sure what you do, it will stand out.

But unexplained...like everything else.

TO each his own.

Me personally..I've hit some heavy dosages..and have always looped over the twisted mind fuck that convinces (tricks) my mind into believing that their is no end, i can't remember how I got here, but I'm here..and my life is zooming by all fucked up like, to confusing, impossible to control, impossible to get out.

But thats me..I've always hated life's harsh realities that are to blatant, and sometimes impossible to ignore..I find myself dwelling in it, probably because of my own harsh reality..the fact that I have selected friends, a bunch that I miss because my parents have moved around a bunch during my childhood...also the strict christian father that feeds me the negative shiit..hell and satan..i hate it...I truly believe we could of come up with a better system that teaches those certain people to not do "that". A new way of life is a must. A lotta of people get to brainwashed in it...beleive it's the only way.
It's our duty..us that seek change...to get it through to as much people as we can.

Also..I know what you mean when you say you feel like "this" heroic munch is apart of you.
Can I ask....

Are you looking at that correctly?...I've experienced a similar feeling on mushrooms where this is me, and it will always be apart of me, throughout my life....but I NEED to DO something..possibly help the ones in confusion.

It's not dosage AMOUNT because u get past a certain number; u reach memory loss, blacking out, and mostly messages and feelings of poisoned confusion.......rather......It's what you Do on whatever amount u have!

Shrooms are a zoom. Munch on a few and go to somewhere and do something you've never done before...you'll get something out of it..because it's new..and it's been documented through a magical state.

I'm sure most heavy dosages are the same as all the recent bad ones.
You laying there, under a poison..not understanding shiit...trust me, it's not fun...at least not for me.


Good luck though. Hope you get their and back. I'm sure you will.
If your going to dose heavy on any psychedelic, I'd rather it be mushrooms...well, ye weed...but those shrooms, that need to visually be taken can become overwhelming when it's all there in front of you.
I'm glad I don't have a reliable hook-up and it's not around me much...because I tend to change my mind a lot...especially when it's sitting their in my desk drawer and I dwell on the potential.

Forget the lie. Trip through time. Change the world. Make it better for us.


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Re: To the otherside [Re: Something]
    #5440552 - 03/25/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Something said:
this guy is asking for it... I received it as well. And it was good


I was thinking this place had more of a open view but I guess not.

I have caught slack for my beliefs over the years and you know what I am still holding to those and I have.For this is who I am.



There should be a place for people like me and I guess it ain't here


Maybe I should just keep my beliefs within the circle I call friends.



no one is trying to be mean or not aaccept you. the question that arises in everyones mind, is do you know waht the hell you are getting yourself into. 28 grams of dried mushrooms is truly truly epic. as stated by wiccan seeker terrence mckennas heroic dose was at 12 grams or so.... have you ever tried 12 grams or perhaps even a half oz? mushroom intensity goes up exponentially so eating 12 grams is way more than just double the intensity of 6 grams, its like 3 or 4 times stronger i believe or at least ballpark. if the most you have ever done was even say 15 or 16 dried grams which i seriously doubt than bumping it up to 28 is still to big of a jump in my oppion. honestly we are just trying to help


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