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BMArts
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Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss
#5425667 - 03/21/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well every so often some noob asks the question 'what is the most visual strain' or something like that. And the answer is usually a cube is a cube... you can't say.
I've tripped twice now in my life both of of EQ's that I grew myself, however they were 2 different grows under 2 different conditions almost 2 years apart. The first was quite visual the second wasn't very visual at all but was a much more intense trip. So I ask you guys what have you found are circumstances that lead to a more visual trip and what lead to a non visual trip and what does it have to do with the overall intensity of the trip? When there are not so many visuals what for you is your main focus while tripping? What are the aspects that you try to concentrate on? Peace
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: BMArts]
#5425707 - 03/21/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ive tripped once so far and it was on the PESA strain of ps cubensis. the melting, swirling, oceany effect was very strong as well as lots of changing color. pretty much anything with any sort of pattern on it would move and animate. i didnt see any real "hallucinations" so to speak, just distorted layers of what i was actually seeing. the combination of the layers and distortions created patterns, but like i said, nothing was created out of thin air.
a huge part of that trip wasnt even visual, it was in my mind. the mind trip was stronger than the visual trip, but that may be because im a huge thinker.
i plan to try some other strains to compare for myself if there is a difference from cube to cube. the best way to do that, i think, is the set the exact same environment, same dose, same eating habit for that day, and try to eliminate as many variables as possible. then record and compare the data to ones own trips. after doing this a few times (maybe 5 times per strain, and comparing) then we could take our data, examine the emerging patterns, and compare those patterns to others data.
from there we should have a good idea of waht to expect from each strain. of course it wont be perfect, but itll be better than having nothing if we can get some good test subjects (good writer, intelligent, able to meet test criteria, etc).
i would love to start it myself, but its so hard for me to make time to trip because someone is always calling or coming over. bleck.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: BMArts]
#5425724 - 03/21/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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(note: this sort of goes to all psychedelics, not just mushrooms)
Generally speaking, intensity of the trip, and the intensity of the visuals tend to go hand in hand. There have been times where I have had very intense trips, that were not very visual at all.
Or, very visual trips that were not all that intense - just really visual.
When the trips are not that visual, the intensity comes more from 'within'. From the ideas, the thoughts, the body sensations and the emotions / feelings, and some times sensations ranging from total estatic euphoria, to on the verge of death (even though I know I'm not about to die, I do get those feelings)
But, feeling as if you are on the verge of total, real, physical death - the feeling that if you close your eyes, you are NEVER going to open them again, and being OK with that, is intense enough on it's own without needing a world of visuals around you.
Edited by kaniz (03/21/06 03:04 PM)
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: BMArts]
#5425750 - 03/21/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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with my trips the visuals come with dosage if i lets say dose on an 8th of cubes that i picked from a cow field i would normally trip my socks off but this winter i have taken 3 diffrent doses and on only one of those times did i actually trip and get visuals
lemme explain this more ok so my 1st dose was 2.9 grams dry i felt nothing my second dose 3.6 and nothing this third time i dosed on 4.9 grams dry of the same mushrooms and wowwee i did the trick i have dosed a bunch on small doses and no matter what i do to try and trip it jus doesnt happen and i usally get a little upset over it so i pretty much stick with high doses jus so I KNOW i'll trip balls i wanna say that 4.9 gram trip was the best trip i've have off such a small dose of course a year ago when i first found my cube field and ate my first cubes i had such a small dose i wanna say 2 grams dry blasted me into space but now lately the visuals and intensity aint been what it should be
also when im tripping and not having cev's or oev's i will usally go find peace in nature all in all, IMO visuals and intensity come with the dose
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: BMArts]
#5425956 - 03/21/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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tripping + bong hits of kind bud = visuals. ime.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: kaniz]
#5425970 - 03/21/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
kaniz said: (note: this sort of goes to all psychedelics, not just mushrooms)
Generally speaking, intensity of the trip, and the intensity of the visuals tend to go hand in hand. There have been times where I have had very intense trips, that were not very visual at all.
Or, very visual trips that were not all that intense - just really visual.
When the trips are not that visual, the intensity comes more from 'within'. From the ideas, the thoughts, the body sensations and the emotions / feelings, and some times sensations ranging from total estatic euphoria, to on the verge of death (even though I know I'm not about to die, I do get those feelings)
But, feeling as if you are on the verge of total, real, physical death - the feeling that if you close your eyes, you are NEVER going to open them again, and being OK with that, is intense enough on it's own without needing a world of visuals around you.
i agree. there are better experiences to be had than seeing things. my first trip was really intense and visual and it was just 2.3g and im a pretty fat guy. i think there are so many variables itd be impossible to really come to a conclusion...
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5426052 - 03/21/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The funny thing howevever. Is /most/ of my trips tend to be over the top visual. At times, almost so visual that I get ditracted by them and cant get involved in the other elements of the trip. I do very much enjoy the visuals however - so not really going to complain.
But now, my visuals have started to take on meaning, show lessons, emotions, stories. The visuals are no longer "wow, the wall is breathing", its "wow, the picture is animating and telling me a story".
I recall one time, looking at a painting and watching it animate, and it started to show the battle between man and beast, and the triumpf of good over evil. Are these just meanings I'm attaching to them myself? I'm not sure - but either way, I did find meaning from them beyond the novelty factor.
Its funny though, some times the visuals are so just off the wall, silly and absurd - like a world of ren and stimpy exploding in my head, and no real meaning to it.
Other times, the visuals are rich in depth and meaning, and I can get lost for seemingly hours analyizing what they are showing me
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: kaniz]
#5426231 - 03/21/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz said: Its funny though, some times the visuals are so just off the wall, silly and absurd - like a world of ren and stimpy exploding in my head, and no real meaning to it.
were you the one that had something about a chicken raping a bus or something? lol
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kaniz said:Other times, the visuals are rich in depth and meaning, and I can get lost for seemingly hours analyizing what they are showing me
i know what ya mean. in my trip report i mentioned how i could be lost for eternity analyzing whats being shown to me, and how i lament that i cant observe each effect eternally in order to learn what it wants to teach me..
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5426288 - 03/21/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no chicken raping a bus. But, a coble-stone covered bridge humping a passing bus.
Then, I looked down at the grass, and had images of a druid type goddess wearing a bear head-dress riding a chariot into war.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5426289 - 03/21/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmmm for me personally intense visuals go hand in hand with an intense trip - just like mild visuals go hand in hand with a weak trip. I believe it has a lot to do on a person's sensitivity and the dose, but usually a large does will be more intense, both visually and mentally, than a small dose. imo
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: kaniz]
#5426894 - 03/21/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz said: no chicken raping a bus. But, a coble-stone covered bridge humping a passing bus.
Then, I looked down at the grass, and had images of a druid type goddess wearing a bear head-dress riding a chariot into war.
yeah, tis still funny though.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: tomekk]
#5427243 - 03/21/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree that dose has a lot to do with intensity, but mindset and atmosphere play an even bigger role in my trips. If i am sitting in a room talking to other shroomers, my trip is not very visual and turn much more to a mental state. Turn out the lights, put a lava lamp in the corner,crank some floyd and it will turn to a fully visual trip. Hang out with cool people in a good environment, get mentally comforted, and you will have a happy visual physical and mental trip. Hang out with people you dont trust and you will have a paranoid, pphysically discomforted and non visual trip(at least in my cases). I find if am preoccupied or i am not comfortable, the visuals usually subside. I get anxious, start pacing and sweating ect. When i get back into the comfort zone, they come right back. If something starts to melt or swirl ect, i can keep watching it until i shake my head, or close my eyes(i find this particulary controlable with LSD)then it simply goes back to normal. I have been walking through the bush very high on LSD. A transpartent sheet of fractals in front of me, i could barley see the trail. We got onto the wrong trail, and as soon as i realised it, the visuals stopped(completely!). We found our way back a few minutes later, and as soon as i sat down and looked up the hill, it all came right back. I have had very visual and physical trips from as low as 2gs of cubensis. I have had less visual trips eating 4gs of the same mushrooms. For me it is all the setting and mindset of the trip. You can really have a lot of fun if you get mentally prepaired and setup the tripping environment. For example I have experienced better visuals and intense body loads after smoking high quality THC product(bubble hash, honey oil). I think this partially a result of the THC, but also the THC puts me in a more relaxed state, physically and mentally, allowing for a more enhanced psycidellic state.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: Luv_The_Cyans]
#5427345 - 03/21/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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For me it seems more along the mental side for visuals and intensity. I've noticed that the built up anticipations, thoughts, feelings, plans, etc, weeks and months beforehand really get me off. 
It's knowing where i'm going, but knowing where i'll be. 
Some hard hits of good bud don't hurt while peeking though.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: BMArts]
#5427708 - 03/21/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BMArts said: So I ask you guys what have you found are circumstances that lead to a more visual trip and what lead to a non visual trip and what does it have to do with the overall intensity of the trip? When there are not so many visuals what for you is your main focus while tripping? What are the aspects that you try to concentrate on? Peace
For me, it's mostly a factor of the setting. Visuals are most intense when I'm alone, tripping out, and not distracted by anything except something that is visual, like a light source, sunset, film, etc... The more non-visual things--e.g. washing the kitchen sink; talking to a friend--I get distracted by, the weaker and less noticeable my visuals become.
The effects of hallucinogens like mushrooms can be separated into two main categories: First, the distortion or enhancement of all your senses, e.g. visuals. and Second, the manner in which your (non-sensory) perception of things changes.
It's hard to separate the two, since they are roughly parallel -- though that's not to say there aren't fluctuations. If the sensory effects go down, then there's more ground for my consciousness to cover. This frequently results in profound moments of revelation. And since each trip is different, that's about as specific as I can get.
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Re: Visuals in and intensity of trips... discuss [Re: Land_Crab]
#5428735 - 03/22/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good point, the ammount of isolation, and how much I am 'relaxing' plays a big part in the visuals. And also, just the number of people around me - although I noticed this seems to affect LSD more than Mushrooms.
On LSD, if I am walking through a busy area - my visuals seem to /greatly/ cut down. I'll still get some warping/shimmering/etc, but I'm not seeing like, fully animated things form on surfaces.
But, if I am sitting down relaxing on a park bench with no one else around - the world will start to transform into the most amazing ways. But, the moment I can 'sense'someone (even if they are behind me), it's like it will all insntatly stop as I am now busy processing that 'something else' walking near me - untill they go away.
Its like the energy of other people, especially strangers pulls me out of my trip and back into reality just incase I need to deal with them for some reason or another.
But, if I just sit back, relax my eyes (not even focus on anything, just sort of a blank gaze stare into the distance), clear my head, have no one else around me (or talking to me), the visuals will start to increase greatly.
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