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Jackattack
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Should I do Ayahuasca?
#5425578 - 03/21/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive heard of it's healing properties and now Im interested cause ive beeb really depressed lately and need some kind of relief. I know ayahuasca is intense and im prepared for it.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5425753 - 03/21/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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your not supposed to trip if your depressed, it can make it worse.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Drone]
#5425772 - 03/21/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would reccomend against it. Tripping is something that you should do in a positive mindset.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5425803 - 03/21/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am one depressed, pissed off, ornery mofo... tryptamines and exercise are the only two 'moderately' long-lasting forms of relief I get. I was reading last night that n,n DMT actually creates new serotonin and/or receptors... sorry I don't have a link.
But seriously, just the preparation for a heavy trip is usually enough to pull me out of my funk. If you are prepared, I say go for it
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: schmutzen]
#5425967 - 03/21/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is a link that should give you some info about what its like for a depressed person to take ayahuasca. It also has info about the studies that show that, unlike the crude medications usually given to those who suffer from depression, this drug can cure depression, or at the least help it along. It also has some info about how ayahuasca is known to actually create more receptors for serotonin uptake.
I would take this article seriously. They are not kidding around when they use the word exorcism
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: stemmer]
#5426154 - 03/21/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: schmutzen]
#5426252 - 03/21/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Generally speaking, it is not advised for people with depression or pre-existing medical conditions to take psychedelics for "recreational" reasons - as it may end up digging up a whole lot more shit then what they want to deal with while having a good time.
That being said, if you are approaching it as a healing tool, to resolve issues, and not just looking for a fun time : that is another issue IMO.
I've had people tell me "you shouldn?t be doing LSD, you've had depression and anxiety attacks in the past", but cant help but laugh, as I've found psychedelic use to actually be a help in dealing with these issues.
Point to ponder in the history of LSD:
One of the first uses of LSD, was in testing in psychiatry, and some of the first test-subjects were alcoholics. General consensus today is ?alcoholics shouldn?t be doing LSD, they have other issues to be dealing with?
And hell ? at that time, the doctors were expecting the alcoholics to have ?bad trips? ? they wanted to find a non-lethal way to make them hit rock bottom, and thought that giving them LSD, they would have a bad-trip, hit a ?rock bottom?, then tell them ?If you keep going down this path, that is what your life will be like?
But, surprisingly ? the alcoholics ended up /enjoying/ the experience, and were able to understand the root of their problems, and in the end ? actually had a higher success rate of being cured of alcoholism then AA meetings (something like 50% vs 20%)
The use of psychedelics can lead to a better understanding of yourself, and the root of your problems, and help you find ways of facing these issues and over-coming them. If you are just in it for a ?good time? ? this may be heavier then what you want to deal with. But, if your treating it as a healing tool ? it has a potential to be highly useful.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: kaniz]
#5426271 - 03/21/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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also, this may be a bit over-board for what you are looking for, but there are places that offer Ayahuasca healing retreats, where you learn alot about the substance and can get guided trips by shamans.
One site that I know of with info is Ayahuasca Healing. This may be something worth looking into for you.
Also, I am sure if you did some digging around, you could possibly find something a bit more traditional and a little less 'touristy' - but just something to consider.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: kaniz]
#5427829 - 03/21/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz said: also, this may be a bit over-board for what you are looking for, but there are places that offer Ayahuasca healing retreats, where you learn alot about the substance and can get guided trips by shamans.
One site that I know of with info is Ayahuasca Healing. This may be something worth looking into for you.
Also, I am sure if you did some digging around, you could possibly find something a bit more traditional and a little less 'touristy' - but just something to consider.
Doing an actual ayahuasca ceremony would be amazing but unfortunately I do not have the cash for that. I will be doing this in my room but the bad thing is that I still live with my parents so Ithink Im gonna tell my mom that Im gonna do this so she won't freak out if I end up having a bad trip.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: stemmer]
#5427847 - 03/21/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Here is a link that should give you some info about what its like for a depressed person to take ayahuasca. It also has info about the studies that show that, unlike the crude medications usually given to those who suffer from depression, this drug can cure depression, or at the least help it along. It also has some info about how ayahuasca is known to actually create more receptors for serotonin uptake.
I would take this article seriously. They are not kidding around when they use the word exorcism
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html
Thank You for posting that Im am PUMPED now.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5427924 - 03/21/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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doing it at home with the parents around is a bad idea imo, unless if they are aware that you are tripping and have experience with you tripping. during my ayahuasca trip i was puking my guts, obviously felt like crap, and was more terrified and confused at points than i have ever been...not saying it was a bad trip tho
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: astabooty]
#5427967 - 03/21/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, well smoked nn-DMT has some definate anti-depressant qualities.
I have never done ayahuasca but I would assume it does too.
in general, tripping when you are feeling bad isnt the best idea but IMO DMT is somewhat different from other psychedelics in that its a natural brain chemical.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: stemmer]
#5428720 - 03/22/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5428725 - 03/22/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jackattack said:
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kaniz said: also, this may be a bit over-board for what you are looking for, but there are places that offer Ayahuasca healing retreats, where you learn alot about the substance and can get guided trips by shamans.
One site that I know of with info is Ayahuasca Healing. This may be something worth looking into for you.
Also, I am sure if you did some digging around, you could possibly find something a bit more traditional and a little less 'touristy' - but just something to consider.
Doing an actual ayahuasca ceremony would be amazing but unfortunately I do not have the cash for that. I will be doing this in my room but the bad thing is that I still live with my parents so Ithink Im gonna tell my mom that Im gonna do this so she won't freak out if I end up having a bad trip.
I know what you mean, I'd love to do that also but cant afford it. Think I may do one as a treat to myself once I graduate University.
Although, I would question - is your mom OK with your use of psychedelics? does she know you do them? While I know every parent is different, if I was to tell my mom "I'm doing some Aya", and then explained to her it was a psychedelic expierence, it would probably take ALOT of effort for her to be OK with it - if not impossible.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: kaniz]
#5428769 - 03/22/06 06:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jackattack said:
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kaniz said: also, this may be a bit over-board for what you are looking for, but there are places that offer Ayahuasca healing retreats, where you learn alot about the substance and can get guided trips by shamans.
One site that I know of with info is Ayahuasca Healing. This may be something worth looking into for you.
Also, I am sure if you did some digging around, you could possibly find something a bit more traditional and a little less 'touristy' - but just something to consider.
Doing an actual ayahuasca ceremony would be amazing but unfortunately I do not have the cash for that. I will be doing this in my room but the bad thing is that I still live with my parents so Ithink Im gonna tell my mom that Im gonna do this so she won't freak out if I end up having a bad trip.
I know what you mean, I'd love to do that also but cant afford it. Think I may do one as a treat to myself once I graduate University.
Although, I would question - is your mom OK with your use of psychedelics? does she know you do them? While I know every parent is different, if I was to tell my mom "I'm doing some Aya", and then explained to her it was a psychedelic expierence, it would probably take ALOT of effort for her to be OK with it - if not impossible.
I have no idea to tell you the truth but even if she doesn't Im still doing it anyways.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5428989 - 03/22/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You may want to consider not telling her then. Looking from a parents perspective, who has no knowledge of these things, and having their kid come up to them and say
"Mom, I've been feeling depressed lately, and would like to do Aya to help resolve these issues", to them may sound like
"Mom, I'm depressed and starting to do drugs"
And even though that is not the case, if your mom has no idea of these things, and falls into the "all drugs are bad" camp - telling her you are doing this may not be a good idea, as who knows what types of repercussiouns it could lead to. Last thing you want is your mom asking if your doing pot, and other drugs, thinking your an addict and throwing you into rehab - extreme situation and probably wont happen, but it is something to consider.
You may want to consider another option of.
a: Waiting untill your mom will be gone for the entire day, and trip then. If you dont tell your mom, or you do it anyways, and she see's you running to the bathroom and vomiting (which is very common with Aya), she may over-react and try and get you to the hospital. You dont need hospital attention, but she may think that you do - and last thing you want while deep in an Aya trip is your mother hauling you to a hosptial and pumping your stomach.
b: Do you have any friends that you could go over to their place and trip, and have them act as a trip sitter?
One of the most important parts of tripping, and especially if you are trying to do a healing trip - is having a good setting to trip in.
I'm not saying dont do Aya, it could very well be very benifical for you, but you should put some thoughts into the when, and with who you do this with.
Now, who knows - your mom end up being very cool and supportive of it. You know your mom best and will be able to guess her possible reactions more so than me.
I just now from my expierence with my parents, my mother would have my head if she knew I used psychedelics. She freaked out and yelled at my father for having a 6pack in the fridge before.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: kaniz]
#5429425 - 03/22/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay thanks for your help I think your right. I have a buddy but he doesn't have his own place. We go camping all the time. Would it be a good idea to do this while camping instead? The only thing im afraid of though is being confronted by a Park Ranger while tripping on ayahausca.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: Jackattack]
#5429547 - 03/22/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never done Aya myself, so my limit of advice can only go so far, as I am unsure of how easy it will be to interact with others while on the trip. Maybe someone who has 1st hand expierence can offer a bit more insight on this one. I know on other substances (LSD, Mush, etc), I could handle it - but every substance is different, and I'm not sure how I'd be able to interact with others if needed while on Aya.
But, some things to keep in mind - in many trip reports I have read, Vomiting, and diarrhea are pretty comming 'purging' stages of the trip - so you may need to find a way of dealing that comfortably while camping, as I am sure running to a porta-potty wont be the most appealing options available.
Also, it would be a very good idea for you (if you havnt already), read up on Aya on erowid - read through the expierences, uses, etc, so you can have some idea of what to expect. And also - get your friend to do the same, so he knows what to expect from you.
Also, he may be able to read up on things of how to help the tripper. I have read various things like Shamans using tobacco smoke and saying certian phrases to help pull people back from bad-expierences that have gotten too intense. Maybe do some reading on the ritualistic use of it - it will be a good source of information and advice.
I have had a strong interest in Aya for awhile now, but have yet to try it - waiting for the right time/setting and sitter to do it with, I wish I could give you some more 1st hand expierence/information to help out, but just relaying some of the infomration I've gathered in my own research.
Just try and prepare well - and best of luck.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: kaniz]
#5429653 - 03/22/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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dude that national geographic story on aya is awesome. im raised christian, and i still believe in jesus and all taht stuff, but i can see how all the other religions are so similar. so many of the things that were mentioned in that story about what the shamans believe and do makes so much sense.
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Re: Should I do Ayahuasca? [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5429688 - 03/22/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Havnt had a chance to read that article yet. But, I've found that most religions tend to share alot of the same basic ideas and belifs, just with a different cultural lense putting their own spin on them.
I tend to think : I have a belief in something greater than myself, but not a belief in the corruption of man, and sadly ? many religions have fallen victim to the corruption of man and the struggle for power.
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