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ebass
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birdseed consistency
#5425532 - 03/21/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi, I am just about finished PC'ing my bird seed, which is in one quart mason jars. In a couple of the jars, I only left two inches of space. After PC'ing I tried to shake them. I managed to get about half of it broken up....the bottom half is sliding up and down the mason jar....but it seems pretty compacted. Should I sterilize the entire length of a needle next to an open stove, jam it in there, and break it up? Do I need to worry about this? Any help would be appreciated. BTW...this is my first time! Wish me luck.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5425553 - 03/21/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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To render it viable spawn, the kernels need to be broken up. Bang it on a think textbook, again and again and again.
Next time leave more space (1/3 jar).
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5425561 - 03/21/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds like u put too much water. you should be able to shake it hard enough for most of it to break up.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: Teon]
#5425571 - 03/21/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah it needs to be shaken up. My bro wasted 2 syringes on unshaked jars and the colonization sucked, except for the jar that i was flipping around while he was innoculating the rest. The one i was flipping around colonized in about a week and the others didn't even show signs of growth. too bad the only jar that worked out got contaminated anyways.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: Redkiller]
#5425579 - 03/21/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never shake my wbs jars!!! I have 100 % sucess with wbs its the easiest stuff in the world, IMO why most people fail is either too much moisture or they didnt follow directions, in DOC's wbs tek he clearly state rinsing I think 5 different times and people fail to do this, if a pf cake will colonize without shaking a wbs jar will too!!!!
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: MindsEye]
#5425687 - 03/21/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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1/2 pint compared to a qt is a big difference however.
Also 1/2 pinters usually take weeks to colonize. QT's I have done in 8 days(From spore).
I would personally open the jars and empty some out into another jar and have another jar of material to work with.
I shake after I pc them. I shake after I noc them, and I shake on the fifth day. Few days later they're done and ready to case.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5425786 - 03/21/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for your input guys. I ended up opening every single jar and spread out the seed a little more evenly. I left anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 birdseed in each. Now another 5 hours with my shitty little pc. *sigh* There was alot of water in those jars. I don't understand...I followed the tek pretty closely...I drained for at least 10 minutes...Ahah! Maybe I cooked the seeds too much?
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5425807 - 03/21/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ebass said: Thanks for your input guys. I ended up opening every single jar and spread out the seed a little more evenly. I left anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 birdseed in each. Now another 5 hours with my shitty little pc. *sigh* There was alot of water in those jars. I don't understand...I followed the tek pretty closely...I drained for at least 10 minutes...Ahah! Maybe I cooked the seeds too much?
I drain for an hour plus I shake excess water out of my wbs when its in the strainer...
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: Citric]
#5425817 - 03/21/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Citric said: 1/2 pint compared to a qt is a big difference however.
Also 1/2 pinters usually take weeks to colonize. QT's I have done in 8 days(From spore).
I would personally open the jars and empty some out into another jar and have another jar of material to work with.
I shake after I pc them. I shake after I noc them, and I shake on the fifth day. Few days later they're done and ready to case.
I dont shake at all I allways inoculate from an LC Im not dumb enough to wate the spores, and my jars colonize in ! week no shaking at all!!!
Oh I also dont use 1/2 pints for grain, Pint or bigger, Ive moved up to 1/2 gallon pickle jars now!!!
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Edited by MindsEye (03/21/06 03:24 PM)
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: MindsEye]
#5425822 - 03/21/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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so do you guys think I should continue or should I start fresh and toss out the excessively moist bird seed?
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5425827 - 03/21/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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start fresh WBS is cheap...
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: MindsEye]
#5426075 - 03/21/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That happened to me when i over simmered my WBS and all the kernels popped. It wouldnt break apart because it turnt into paste! Make sure those seeds expand with water but dont crack.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: Akira]
#5426101 - 03/21/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did a side-by-side test of shaken and non-shaken WBS. The shaken fully colonized the quart jars in 9 days from spores.
The non-shaken is still colonizing 15 days later.
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: cappa]
#5426133 - 03/21/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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cappa said: I did a side-by-side test of shaken and non-shaken WBS. The shaken fully colonized the quart jars in 9 days from spores.
The non-shaken is still colonizing 15 days later.
How come my properly prepared wbs jars dont even take a week? Not shaken?
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cappa
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: MindsEye]
#5426167 - 03/21/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You used LC, probably rather liberally. You know ppore germination takes a day or two. So figure that into the picture as well.
You should test it yourself (again?). Maybe you won't get the same results, but I bet you will!
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Re: birdseed consistency [Re: ebass]
#5426202 - 03/21/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I recommend starting fresh. Sounds like your moisture is off. If your having a problem with simmering you know a soak if almost fool proof if you follow this method http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3982155#Post3982155
If you rinse your seeds well after the soak it helps remove excess starch that makes the grain sticky. Also remember to shake them when they are hot, just don't burn yourself. They break up easier this way.
Maybe it's the method you use for shaking also. I like to hold the jar by the lid and bang the side of the jar on the palm of my other hand that helps break up the seed.
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