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rue extract, need help dosing!!!
    #5391995 - 03/12/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Everyone,
I just ordered 10 grams of syrian rue extract from imamshaman.com.
apparently one gram of the extract is equal to 10 grams of the seeds. all the trip reports that i have read all use seeds instead of extract. I will be mixing with approx. 2 grams of dried cubies that are of above average potency. My questions is how much of the extract to combine with my shrooms? Dealing with a highly concentrated extract gave me reservations at first, but i have a scale and as long as some experienced users could trow some helpful suggestions my way, i would be so bold to try it. (never mixed mao-inhibitor with shrooms)( very excited to experience a mind blowing trip off of 2 grams if possable)
so what do my friends think?
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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: foxyhotme]
    #5392664 - 03/12/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: foxyhotme]
    #5392902 - 03/12/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

try 1/3 gm extract to start with, eh?


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: gnrm23]
    #5392994 - 03/12/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This thread gives a good reason for argument about whether or not one should just get some rue seeds when trying to guage a mix or rue and mushrooms.
If it were rue seeds it would likely cost less. If prepared well, its just the natural way to go, and works like a charm. NAusea aint a problem with such a small amount of rue seeds.
Make some rue tea using common knowledge, or just fuckin eat-em about 45 to an hour 15 min before you ingest the mushrooms.
I just personally find no reason to make/buy extract.
It just makes people want to ask questions like this.
3 grams of rue SEEDS can double the intensity as well as elongate the experience greatly. I dont know about the extracts....


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #5421803 - 03/20/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys, i will go with 1/3rd of a gram of the extract as you suggested with my 2 grams of shrooms. Ill probably be trippin this upcoming weekend, and i will make sure and eat right the before and after. Ill be sure to post and inform about the experience with rue extract.


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: foxyhotme]
    #5421807 - 03/20/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Due you think that the chance of the rue making me nautious is less now that ill be consuming such a small amount of material, as opposed to the three grams of seeds.?


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: foxyhotme]
    #5422311 - 03/20/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Stemmer, I remember reading that one gram of rue was enough to inhibit maoi, do you have any thoughts on that, true or false? :sun:


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: Kerr]
    #5422836 - 03/20/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It will make you less nauseus, yes.
As long as you know that it is 10x extract, you should be able to enjoy it without any miscalculations. I didnt mean to say you dont know what you are doing or anything. I personally just like to go the natural route. Im certain that extracts will act differently on your mind than seeds. The same way that rue seed tea's effects, are perhapse a bit less effective, smoother, and certainly of shorter duration than eating the seeds. Chewing the seeds is a very different experience than the tea.

Ryankerr:
1 gram of seeds does potentiate the mushroom experience.
It is however pretty well documented that "full" mao-inhibition takes from 2-2.5 grams of the seed. To acheive the most extreem state of mao-inhibition or "full" mao-i, rue can also begin to have hallucinogenic effects on its own.
There is no question that 1 gram works to some degree.
What I mean by full mao-inhibition is, the maximum inhibition of certain enzymes in the gut and throughout the body.


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #5423506 - 03/20/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

+1

The only problem I had with syrian rue is the duration.

With only 2 grams my digestive system moa's were shutdown on a Ayahausca trip, and everything started off very good, then on the second hour after digestion my trip went away, and this was with 7 grams of

I know I took enough Ayahausca,but my mao inhibitor failed to last a decent length of time


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: Cutter]
    #5423579 - 03/20/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Cutter, Thats makes perfect sense. I like your avatar by the way. That is one of the funniest cartoons I have ever seen(rejected cartoons)..

Your Dmt dose was not very high and your rue was used at a low dose. Your rue could have been somewhat weak also. Thats why when experimenting its good to buy in bulk so you dont get confused as to how much of each plant should be in your brew or dual brew.

That is a very conservative dose for an ayahuasca preparation. Im sure many people would trip very hard off of that though. It varies so greatly between person to person.
If your using ayahuasca, your best bet is to go light on the DMT plant not the maoi.
In the average ayahuasca brew, I have read there is atleast 3-7 times the maois than what you took. They say the caapi(or other substances) provides the strength and spirit, the dmt adds color and content to the visions.
If you really want to use ayahuasca the way it is meant to be prepared you need atleast 4 grams of rue, and then you can learn how to be careful about how much Dmt you want.
There is no way ayahuasca will fail you when consuming 4-5 grams of rue as an maoi. It can be increadibly intense if that amount of maois are used with even 12 grams of viridis. 4 grams of rue with any amount of shrooms can be very intense for some people.
Its best to experiment with your high maoi dose, or you might just trip harder than you ever wanted to regardless of your dose of dmt or mushrooms.
At 4 grams, most experienced users of hallucinogens feel some very mind altering effects that range from synesthesia to massive visuals, and thats without any other additive like shrooms or DMT.
Most brews are made with caapi, and each full dose has more than 5 grams of rue worth or more(or the equivalent to 5 grams of rue or FAR more).


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #5423721 - 03/20/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ack, 4 grams of rue!

I could barely stomach 2 grams, it was actually more like 2.5 grams.
It tastes like stomach bile, the rue was about 3 months old kept in a freezer and growing in a green house by a very capable person, I had no lab to test the potency of the rue, but I felt it was too weak of a dose, as did the two other people with me.

So you think 7 grams of ayawasca wasn't enough, or would you up the rue?
We all puked about 10-15 minutes after drinking the ayawasca {like this kind of puke http://www.alldumb.com/item/12706/ do you think that might have ruined the trip?

I might setup for another go at it, but I would like some advice on doses first.


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: Cutter]
    #5423821 - 03/20/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well how did you prepare the rue? If I was going to eat 6-12 grams of rue I would boil and steep it after crushing it up(for example).

Id up the rue. The fact that it was grown by someone you know could have something to do with it. Id recommend the standard rue seed you can buy over the internet. The potency wont vary much
Ayahuasca is the combination of the two plants, or the maoi by its self, but the DMT plant is never considered to be ayahuasca by its self.
I dont know what the problem is with you and your rue. But 2 grams should not make you very sick. Thats a pretty wimpy dose of rue.
Next time, and I hate to say it, get some viridis leaf and some good rue. Id bet those pieces of root bark would make me kinda ill too.
The less plant matter used is typically a good way to not puke.
That mimosa H does look kinda rank.
4 grams rue eaten over a 30-60 min period of time followed by 25 grams of viridis leaf tea should make you trip VERY hard.
I suggest this partly because viridis and rue have never made me sick. I mean ayahuasca is called la purga, and you took a low dose thats for sure. The dose I just suggested provided me with no sickness and a pretty massive trip. Kind of like 3.5 grams of shrooms(DMT and PSI are related).
It works well if you just chew and eat the rue(some people find that intolerable).
In that case boil the 4 grams of rue and the viridis seperately.
After they have been at a boil for an hour or two, steep them for a day. It works for me....


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #5423895 - 03/20/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Both were made into a tea, slow boiled for about a 1/2 hour if I remember right, I am banking the rue was good, he is a professional grower that sells via mail order, I'm not sure if he is online yet.

But I will try from another vendor, and it wasn't the rue that made me puke, it was that Mimosa root bark.

I will try the leaves next time, and I will steep both as well.
Thanks for the advice :sunny:


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: Cutter]
    #5423944 - 03/20/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I bet it was the root bark.

And just boil it for a little longer next time no matter what plant you use(40 min at the least, low to mid boil(mid boil works really well, but you dont want it to be too hot)). And for better results steep it for a day after the boil.
DOnt forget to quish all the excess water out of the rue, leaves or bark after it has been steeped. That there is some potent goodness within the waterlogged plant matter.


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Re: rue extract, need help dosing!!! [Re: stemmer]
    #5425409 - 03/21/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey stemmer, do you suggest getting fresh green leaf or dried foliage?

Does Peruvian or Hawaiian foliage make much of a difference?

Seems the dried Hawaiian foliage from B*B*B*.com is $10+ more than Peruvian foliage.

Which kinda of leaf did you order? Dried or fresh? Peruvian or Hawaiian?


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