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Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set?
    #5424290 - 03/21/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was just wondering if I should remove some of the early bloomers to ensure a more even first flush.









Thanks in advance for any help.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: nugjug]
    #5424326 - 03/21/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would wait. Those suckers form quick, hope for a few more to shoot out in the next day or so.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5424329 - 03/21/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that's why I asked. I knew they came on crazy fast, and it looks like all of the little white ones are staring to form colored caps as well. Just didn't know if those few big ones were to far out in front to the point they'd cause a problem.

Thanks for the help DIRTYMAN, and I'm still open to more advice.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? *DELETED* [Re: nugjug]
    #5424346 - 03/21/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: cappa]
    #5424352 - 03/21/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would sprinkle some casing over them like vermiculite to get more even pinning.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: lil_civic_lil]
    #5424383 - 03/21/06 02:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From "The Mushroom Cultivator"
"Pins that form early delay the growth of neighboring primordia. Good examples of this can be found in shallow areas or along the borders of the substrate container. Removing these relatively few "volunteers" before they develop is advantageous to the remaining primordia that constitute the first flush."

That is what I was going off of when I asked my question. If this is indeed a good idea how should I go about doing this? With a sterile Xacto knife or should I just carefully pull them off?


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: lil_civic_lil]
    #5424696 - 03/21/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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adam38654 said:
I would sprinkle some casing over them like vermiculite to get more even pinning.




No, you don't patch when you already are getting pins. You patch before you place it in the FC, once it's in there leave it alone other than watering and fanning.

Let them go! They are gonna bolt before you know it. You need to prepare your casing before they start pinning in order to influence a more even pinset.

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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: nugjug]
    #5424746 - 03/21/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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nugjug said:
From "The Mushroom Cultivator"
"Pins that form early delay the growth of neighboring primordia. Good examples of this can be found in shallow areas or along the borders of the substrate container. Removing these relatively few "volunteers" before they develop is advantageous to the remaining primordia that constitute the first flush."

That is what I was going off of when I asked my question.  If this is indeed a good idea how should I go about doing this?  With a sterile Xacto knife or should I just carefully pull them off?




I'd leave them wait. Normally your first few pins end up being your largest fruit (at least in my experience), and while I've never seen any significant damage from removing the first bloomers, it really doesn't seem to make too much of a difference.

Given that fruiting is pretty intense on the mycelial network, I personally would rather let them go until they either abort, or they grow up. Doesn't help to add extra stress to something thats already under some stress :smile:

Also, I would reccomend against the exacto knife unless you're having a tough time twisting off the fruit.. gouges and chunks of fruit left on the cake, even if you can't see them, are sure paths to contams.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: wiggles]
    #5424904 - 03/21/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Early volunteers are always sacrificed in my grows they will impede a prolific pinset everytime.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: hyphae] * 1
    #5424937 - 03/21/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Early volunteers are always sacrificed in my grows they will impede a prolific pinset everytime.




i second that !

sacrificing these:


made this possible:


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: ohmatic]
    #5425349 - 03/21/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is new knowledge to me.

I guess when you see just a few pins poking out let them flush until you see more poking through and then pick the early ones to allow the others to get fatter?

I'm assuming this is because the early pins kind of rob the substrate of water and energy and doesn't allow the later fruits to get as big or grow at all.

Some more info on this would be great Hyphae and Ohm. Timimg on when to pick would be good.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: ohmatic]
    #5425847 - 03/21/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for confirming that hyphae and ohmatic. ohmatic thanks for the pictures that helps.

I just got home from work and looked at one pan and it looks like it's doing very well and quite a few more have popped up in various evenly distributed locations.

The other pan doesn't look as evenly distributed. It appears to have a small grouping of volunteers that's in the first picture. It is about a half inch tall now.

Since that one doesn't seem as even and ready to fruit should I remove it or wait until it gets a little bigger before I go tearing things out.

As always thanks to everyone for their help and to those that continue to help.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: hyphae]
    #5426060 - 03/21/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
Early volunteers are always sacrificed in my grows they will impede a prolific pinset everytime.




Doh! Add it to your pinning strat!! Or did I miss it?


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: cappa]
    #5426230 - 03/21/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

hyphae said:
Early volunteers are always sacrificed in my grows they will impede a prolific pinset everytime.




Doh! Add it to your pinning strat!! Or did I miss it?



It is in the thread, it is always good to read the whole thread to see if any answers could resolve any questions you may have.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: hyphae]
    #5426240 - 03/21/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Damn! I guess I missed it!  What's funny is that your pinning strat is the only thing I didn't write myself that's in my Cultivation Binder:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5425448/an/0/page/0

You have the honor of being the first literature in the 'research' section.  :smile:


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: hyphae]
    #5427580 - 03/21/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I read your pinning strategy guide well before I got started and found it to be very helpful in explaining how things work. I just reread it again to make sure I didn't miss something. It doesn't actually mention removing volunteers. It does reference patching the casing to ensure that certain areas don't initiate pinning before the whole colony gets a chance to start.

Thanks again for the help.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: nugjug]
    #5428783 - 03/22/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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nugjug said:
I read your pinning strategy guide well before I got started and found it to be very helpful in explaining how things work. I just reread it again to make sure I didn't miss something. It doesn't actually mention removing volunteers. It does reference patching the casing to ensure that certain areas don't initiate pinning before the whole colony gets a chance to start.

Thanks again for the help.



The tech doesn't but the thread does, I'll add that when I get a chance. Thanks


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: hyphae] * 1
    #28034337 - 11/05/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Does that mean all of these would have to go?


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: AForestDweller]
    #28034348 - 11/05/22 12:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Does that mean all of these would have to go?






Just let those go to maturity and harvest, it shouldn't be long. Also, this might get the necro award! 17 year old thread revived. Almost as old as the forum itself :rockon:


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #28034355 - 11/05/22 12:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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AForestDweller said:
Does that mean all of these would have to go?






Just let those go to maturity and harvest, it shouldn't be long. Also, this might get the necro award! 17 year old thread revived. Almost as old as the forum itself :rockon:



I failed my only job. I saw this post but didn’t realize it was a 17 year old thread. I’m sorry team.

And don’t worry once one newbie necros a thread multiple follow that same day it’s like clockwork. Oldest was 20+ years.


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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: Screwup]
    #28034372 - 11/05/22 12:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)





I failed my only job.





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Re: Should I remove early fruits to help w/an even pin set? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #28034402 - 11/05/22 12:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Thank you for the advice. I’m also wondering If  should I break the cakes or just leave them alone?
Also, there is what I think a thin layer of mold in the top if the cakes?


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