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Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad
#5422443 - 03/20/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have always beleived this but somehow lived for years without being distinctly aware of it. I have been experimenting lately (giving up 'porn of all forms' and 'masturbation' for extended periods, and generally being aware of my vitality levels) and have powerfully reinstated this fact into my pysche as a result .
I recommend trying to close off all escape channels for your life energy - then over time you will become much more calm, confident, energetic, happy and other stuff too - seriously .
EDIT - I think I should have titled this with a question mark - not as a statement haha - sorry about that
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5422515 - 03/20/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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With a wicked case of blue balls.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
#5422644 - 03/20/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eh ??
What ?
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5422655 - 03/20/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never got blue balls, but doesn't that happen when you have to stop suddenly without release?
I think sailors used to call it the blue pecker call, when the ship would sound the call back onboard to action while they were whoring it up
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Tattoo]
#5422669 - 03/20/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I get blue balls when Ive had a boner for an extended period of time (like 2 hours) without a chance to release my load.
I think its just the balls making my cum then they can hold comfortably.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5422673 - 03/20/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I get no physical problems at all, and as far as I know that is normal .
I can imagine almost cumming then forcing a stop could be pretty harsh - maybe this is what this blue balls phenomenon is .
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5422773 - 03/20/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It makes me feel like I'm dying.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5423272 - 03/20/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's true... but you have to slowly stop releasing every day. As a man sex just for orgasm is bad for long term chi and longterm life energy. have sex to build up, and let it cook for a while.. Then go back, and go crazy with your girl. If you wank it 3 times a day, stopping all of a sudden can be very painful. In general, all things are good in moderation... even sex close call there Save your stuff as long as you can.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: HeavyToilet]
#5423584 - 03/20/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: It makes me feel like I'm dying.
It makes me want to die
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5423676 - 03/20/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
#5426025 - 03/21/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you give up getting off, weather beating off or getting off on your girlfriend. What kind of man does that make you?
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Shroomer215]
#5426156 - 03/21/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the kind that gives up getting off?
what are you trying to say?
fucking pussy
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Cherk]
#5426238 - 03/21/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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nothin wrong with a lil bit of chokin the chicken.
of spankin the monkey.
burp the worm.
clean the rifle.
beat the meat.
crank the shank.
grease the pipe.
jerkin the gherkin.
paint the ceiling.
a one stick drum improvisation.
please the pisser.
point the social finger.
polish the sword.
pull the pope.
shoot some tadpoles.
spank the salami.
strike the pink match.
stroke the poker.
tickle the pickle.
tweak the twinkie.
wax the dolphin.
whip the dripper.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
#5426863 - 03/21/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i also practiced rentention for a while. Honestly, it got to a point where I simply had too much energy, and eventually gave in. I was literally sleeping 2-3 hours per night, waking up and running, smoking, etc. and I just couldn't find a good way to release it.
I have to agree that retaining your sexual energy can be amazing, especially when done right... longest I lasted was a few months, but I have talked to people that have gone over a decade. Not sure if I am up for it, although I do imagine it would be quite a different state of mind.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5426948 - 03/21/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've learned through experience and intuition that semen holds a lot of chi. I've tried to give up sex/masturbation so many times to try to build up and put my chi to better use, but could never do it. I just get really tense and i get angry at the littlest things after just 2 days without cumming. If someone could tell me how to get past this stage and calm down somehow maybe i could go longer.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: moog]
#5427044 - 03/21/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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2 days? hah perhaps anger management would help?
If you are getting tense / angry, then there is something else at play. You are not just cultivating energy, but negative energy which is coming from somewhere else. Find the root of that problem, and you will be a step closer
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5427120 - 03/21/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i still don't see how you conclude that masturbation = V.Bad
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: faslimy]
#5427646 - 03/21/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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there are certainly more "proven" medical benefits of it in moderation. in fact complete abstinince can create health problems in later years.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5428194 - 03/21/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kotik said: there are certainly more "proven" medical benefits of it in moderation. in fact complete abstinince can create health problems in later years.
yea, in my sexology class the teach said that some people actually go sterile or whatever... 
ps: masturbation if not used execisvely (4 to 5 times a day) can actually uplift a persons mood and make them feel energized. but also, due to some peoples upbringings (religion, etc.) some people feel guilty about masturbation and thus it can be bad for their moral or whatever... the problem here is not masturbation itself (which is a normal human act) rather the problem is the view the individual may have towards masturbation.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
#5428414 - 03/22/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You have to know how to live a balanced life if you try to not masturbate for extended periods. Imo, you also need to work out ALOT. It helps to just get out there and do something for a few hours every day - the earlier the better. From a morning run to an afternoon workout session, it's all good, so long as you truly make an effort. You have to find out for yourself HOW to work out in order to balance all that energy. There are certain exercises like hindu squats that are unparalleled for their ability to give you an even flow, if you know what I mean.
I also beleive that it's important to understand that you have chakras and to be conciously aware of the changes in your body's alignment so that you don't get any undue blockages in critical situations. It's not like you have to meditate for an hour then workout, all the while holding onto the balance you gained. It's more like.. you really have to realize how to make yourself aware and work through pain and all distractions to acheive a higher goal.
There's no getting around the tension when you stop wacking off. That's why it's important to be able to balance yourself. I mean that literally in a physical and mental sense of the word.
I agree with flowup. Hold onto it as long as possible. After a certain point, you will just be hindering yourself if you don't wack off. You won't always be perfect so realize when you are down some and know that wacking off could be a good way to alleviate the magnitude of what you must deal with. That's my pov.
I find that, at the most, I would want to wack off every 2 days. At the least, it could be a few weeks.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5428788 - 03/22/06 06:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just go to church and pray for more "chi" and "energy".
Problem solved.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: badchad]
#5428857 - 03/22/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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unfortunately, for some of us turning off our brain and becoming ignorant to all of our potentials is just not an option. I wish I could get satisfaction out of joining a herd of singing sheep, but for some reason it does not work for me.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5429682 - 03/22/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Snot = concentrated life energy, blowing nose = V. bad
Same with taking a shit, piss, or whatever. This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: psyka]
#5431012 - 03/22/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.
i would beg to differ. besides from personal experience, there are plenty out there with "knowledge" that can verify the significance of the process. a myth is a story, what you are referring to is a practice that has been used for thousands of years, for many different reasons, a majority of them involving enlightenment.
imagine holding your bladder for a long amount of time, over and over year after year. along with probably giving yourself a serious condition, you would also in turn get used to the feeling of having to pee, and be able to ignore it. needless to say, whether you end up stretching your bladder, or losing control of it, a change did in fact take place in the body, and the way it functions.
Now, feces and urine have never really had much else tied to them, at least not spiritually / psychologically, at least not in anything ive ever come across. as for sexual fluids, are you to say that there is no psychological effects of the release of semen (or in a females case, her period)? Relief is one thing, but the relief after a great shit or a long piss is not even closely connected to the emotional and psychological processes you go through when releasing sexual fluids.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5432142 - 03/22/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.
i would beg to differ. besides from personal experience, there are plenty out there with "knowledge" that can verify the significance of the process. a myth is a story, what you are referring to is a practice that has been used for thousands of years, for many different reasons, a majority of them involving enlightenment.
imagine holding your bladder for a long amount of time, over and over year after year. along with probably giving yourself a serious condition, you would also in turn get used to the feeling of having to pee, and be able to ignore it. needless to say, whether you end up stretching your bladder, or losing control of it, a change did in fact take place in the body, and the way it functions.
Now, feces and urine have never really had much else tied to them, at least not spiritually / psychologically, at least not in anything ive ever come across. as for sexual fluids, are you to say that there is no psychological effects of the release of semen (or in a females case, her period)? Relief is one thing, but the relief after a great shit or a long piss is not even closely connected to the emotional and psychological processes you go through when releasing sexual fluids.
its not really realistic to compare urine and sperm... if you dont pee, you will do yourself much harm, and will eventually have to pee!! because where else does it go. while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no, the swimmers are broken down. and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc. funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.
point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released, or you can hold it, and become energized amnd not think of sex. the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children...
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
#5432997 - 03/23/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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its not really realistic to compare urine and sperm...
agreed, that was partly done in humor, but also to prove a point.
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while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no,
now THAT is an unfair comparison. now it seems you are comparing semen retention with a vasectomy, which is not the same. Semen is different from sperm which makes up only a very small part of the volume of semen. And much like a kidney stone, semen retention can lead to impotence, as well as the formation of "seminal stones" which are the results of crystalized build-ups. Masturbation prevents this. So yes, in fact is does "build up in your nuts" to put it elegantly.
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and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc. funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.
again, this is not something that you either believe or dont believe. that doesnt matter. what matters is that YES it works, if you know how to approach it correctly. It can be repeated and experienced for yourself if you dont believe, it does not require any sort of "faith" or religious experience. Its purely physical and emotional ("spiritual").
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point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released
ha, yes well the point to a heroin addict is that they can go ahead and shoot up, and not think about their addiction because they just satsfied it. extreme analogy in response to an extreme statement.
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the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children...
as with all, moderation is key. with moderation the pros and cons reach a balance. Just as retention can cause problems, so can masturbating too much. Neither of those results require religion or faith either.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5433019 - 03/23/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no,
now THAT is an unfair comparison. now it seems you are comparing semen retention with a vasectomy, which is not the same. Semen is different from sperm which makes up only a very small part of the volume of semen. And much like a kidney stone, semen retention can lead to impotence, as well as the formation of "seminal stones" which are the results of crystalized build-ups. Masturbation prevents this. So yes, in fact is does "build up in your nuts" to put it elegantly.
but i wasnt comparing semen retention to a vasectomy, i was saying that sperm after sufficient amount of time will break down while urine in comparison will not.
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and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc. funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.
again, this is not something that you either believe or dont believe. that doesnt matter. what matters is that YES it works, if you know how to approach it correctly. It can be repeated and experienced for yourself if you dont believe, it does not require any sort of "faith" or religious experience. Its purely physical and emotional ("spiritual").
but it is something you just believe, there is no evidence that it does work. without any evidence we can not make anything more than an assumption. and an assumption is a belief, not a truth.
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point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released
ha, yes well the point to a heroin addict is that they can go ahead and shoot up, and not think about their addiction because they just satsfied it. extreme analogy in response to an extreme statement.
the point i was making was that either way you will get the same result. sex/release is one your mind, making it harder to focus on what ever you are doing and making you drag. the thought of sex/release is natural and if anything i think it is wrong to go against your nature. but if you do, after enough time your mind slowly forgets about sex and thus looses the sexual urges or whatever and you then get the same results has had you just masturbated, who cares? and you cant compare masturbation to heroin.... like i said, we crave the release, but the difference is that this is a natural craving. its like when we are hungry, we crave for food, and theres a reason. i like to listen to my body, and when my body says i need to release, then so be it.
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the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children...
as with all, moderation is key. with moderation the pros and cons reach a balance. Just as retention can cause problems, so can masturbating too much. Neither of those results require religion or faith either.
obviously moderation is the key... lol. in one of my previous replies i did say that it should not be used excessively. if masturbation is stopping you from getting things done and from enjoying your life, then it is no longer a natural urge rather a problem (which you then can relate to an addiction i guess).
basically all im saying is that i have yet to see any proof what so ever of abstinence of masturbation actually helping anyone, if anything i have only seen its negative (sterility). also i believe that the reasoning of cum being your life energy and that by releasing it you are doing yourself harm which the thread starter put as his title is total BS.
ok... this post is getting way too long... lol.
so if youll excuse me, i got some fluids to release
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
#5434263 - 03/23/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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flowup said: It's true... but you have to slowly stop releasing every day. As a man sex just for orgasm is bad for long term chi and longterm life energy. have sex to build up, and let it cook for a while.. Then go back, and go crazy with your girl. If you wank it 3 times a day, stopping all of a sudden can be very painful. In general, all things are good in moderation... even sex close call there Save your stuff as long as you can.
does this apply to women? See I feel like masturbating fucks up your chi too (if you ejaculate) but this just makes me hate being a man all the more.... being a lesbian would be kind of nice.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
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no, it does not apply to women. it happens to them when through menstruation, but not through orgasm. There are practices that will allow men to have an orgasm, but not ejaculate, so retention does not mean you have to abstain from sex either. Not sure what any of that has to do with lesbians
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5435971 - 03/23/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kotik said: There are practices that will allow men to have an orgasm, but not ejaculate, so retention does not mean you have to abstain from sex either. Not sure what any of that has to do with lesbians
this is true..... I have experimented with this before and it's enjoyable but at the end of it all you just really want to ejaculate, and not ejaculating seems like it would be a let down.
I'm not sure.
What I do know is that my sex drive is almost nil...... I can only masturbate a few times a day [maximum i usually don't do it even once a day, maybe 2-3 times a week] even though I have the desire to go through marathons with it, the physiology just won't let me squeeze one out every 5 to 10 minutes by any strength of the imagination.
And when I do do it more than once in a row..... I end up feeling depleted afterward, like the little sexual energy that I had is now gone.
If I retain orgasm for a long time, going off and on and off and on when I finally do ejaculate I do feel tingling energy in the appropriate areas but I'm not sure if indincates an activation of the energy center, or the release of all built up energy.
All I know is I'm sexually dysfunctional from psychological problems. Psychological ----- > energetic -------> physical. Or something like that. My lower chakras are not open.
oh and I was saying I would like to be a woman so as to be able to get off easily and as much as I wanted until my sexual desires were fulfilled (masturbation does NOT fulfill me!!!!!!!) but..... then I'd have to be a lesbian because there's no way I'd want to go through child-birth.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
#5440420 - 03/25/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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retention of energy is best for you when you have some focus. if you are confused about many things, i cannot imagine the extra energy would be as beneficial as it should be.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5443413 - 03/26/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Snot = concentrated life energy, blowing nose = V. bad
Same with taking a shit, piss, or whatever. This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all."
Okay- I can remember a time where I lived in my own flat jacked off alot and was often low on energy this lasted months, when I masturbated loads I had less energy. Three or four times I have lived for two weeks without masturbating or even indulging in thoughts of sex, suggestions came sure but I let them pass and willed no indulgence, these experiments proved vividly and without doubt that cum has life energy -or IS life energy because I felt amazingly happier, more creative more confident etc.
Scientists stopped some worms from being able to cum and their life span doubled .In Taoism 'not wasting sperm' is essential if one is to attempt to live "as an immortal superbeing". In Hinduism retention of semen and control of sexual thoughts is key to raising oneself above normal consciousness and become a God.
I have directly experienced this energy increase by quitting porn, masturbation etc and need no convincing - but for those who havent why not try two weeks of no indulgence in sex, but I warn you that you need strong willpower to curb your appetite and you might do crazy things to get off . If you can handle it I think it will likely change your life .
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5443926 - 03/26/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is a more scientific explanation behind this. The brain is wired to seek out sexual gratification. There are much more neurons dedicated to this purpose than there are for finding food. When a person becomes celibate, they must redirect all this energy to other purposes. This is why celibate monks and nuns will often report feelings of religious ecstacy.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5443939 - 03/26/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have directly experienced this energy increase by quitting porn, masturbation etc and need no convincing - but for those who havent why not try two weeks of no indulgence in sex, but I warn you that you need strong willpower to curb your appetite and you might do crazy things to get off . If you can handle it I think it will likely change your life .
what about your dreams, is it alright to have sexual encounters in them so long as you don't "wet" yourself?
I'm taking a bit of break just because I SHOULD take a bit of a break.... dunno how long.... until I feel like stopping and resuming ..... but I find that it makes random flashes of sexual desires/thoughts in dreamstate more likely ...... the catch is I don't get sexual release from sexual dreams unless I've stopped masturbating for a really long time.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
#5444542 - 03/26/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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religious ecstasy? I could go for some of that
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: DICK]
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DICK said: religious ecstasy? I could go for some of that
Come to Jesus.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
#5445340 - 03/26/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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how are you supposed to do that?
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
#5446082 - 03/27/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont understand why thats more scientific why cant I reference texts compiled by massively experienced ancient cultures as a scientist.Or were you refering to something else ?
leery. Ultimately if you dont actually cum whislt dreaming then you have retained more energy than if you did. You will find however that you are much less likely to have anything like a wet dream when your general atiitude to sex is less openly indulgent .
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#5446094 - 03/27/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Religious ecstasy hee hee, the thought of buying pills from a nun haha
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
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Mirth said: I dont understand why thats more scientific why cant I reference texts compiled by massively experienced ancient cultures as a scientist.
You're welcome to do so, but those ancients didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: RateLimitEnzyme]
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A common misconception is that "blue balls" is a myth propagated by young men solely as an excuse to pressure an unwilling woman into sexual activity. While they may use it as an excuse to such an end, the blue balls phenomenon is real.
god bless wikipedia..
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
#5450023 - 03/28/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"those ancients didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today"
Well in China they studied life energy as an empirical science for thousands of years hence the drawings of life energy channels aka acupuncture charts.
In England/America life energy as a subject still isnt understood by prehaps most scientists, so the type of scientific knowledge is what I am pulling into question here. If I studied mongolian fleas for years and challenged your understanding of african monkeys when I hadnt studied them, my scientific knowledge - vast or not, would not be useful.
I respect China's understanding of life energy for many reasons heres one: my friend went to Beijing to do balle and damaged her foot badly and had to pull out, a Qigong(science of life energy) master healed her foot with life energy and it was completely healed so that she could carry on with the balle . Actually she learnt this cool stance from the Chinese where you cant be pushed over, she showed me when she was pregnant I couldnt unbalance her despite the fact that I am quite strong and she is a small lady - I think they call it 'unmovable mountain' .
Anyway fucking like peace out and stuff - !
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5451531 - 03/28/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A common misconception is that "blue balls" is a myth propagated by young men solely as an excuse to pressure an unwilling woman into sexual activity. While they may use it as an excuse to such an end, the blue balls phenomenon is real.
god bless wikipedia..
It's no myth! I'm not saying it is a reason to pressure women into something they don't want to do, but check this story out:
I've been hooking up with this girl for the last few weeks. She initiated it, and has even started to refer to when she comes to my apartment as "booty calls". We don't hang out unless one of us is horny.
But the weird thing is she doesn't want to have sex or oral sex or anything. She doesn't seem interested in giving or receiving orgasms. She slept over the other night and we messed around for a long time and got nekkid and all, and I was like "look we might as well get off if we're going to have a strictly sexual relationship" but she didn't want to so we just hooked up for hours until we passed out. I had some serious blue balls, if I hadn't been drunk I probably wouldn't have been able to fall asleep.
Then, while we were sleeping, naturally I had an awesome wet dream, and immediately woke up to find I had just came all over her ass. She got really upset, but what could I do besides laugh and hand her a towel? If you're going to get the balls all worked up like that they're going to take care of themselves.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: gluke bastid]
#5451706 - 03/28/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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haha no im not denying it, but whoever wrote that entry in wikipedia was, how you say.. less than scientific about it.
honestly, its awesome that "blue balls" even gets its own entry, and its not forwarded to a medical condition or something else.
btw, your story...
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5453607 - 03/28/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find it now, but someone said that masturbation was a perfectly natural thing to do...and I wondered if it is ACTUALLY a natural thing to do.
I have never personally seen an animal jerk himself off. I would kick my dog's ass if he was doing that!
We are also more frequently exposed to sexual stimuli (ie. television, magazines, internet, etc.) than say, Bambi in the middle of the forest. Thank god too, cause I don't want to be stepping in his man juice when I'm walking the woods.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: robmac9090]
#5453899 - 03/29/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have never personally seen an animal jerk himself off.
monkies are well known for uncontrollabling masturbating, and if youve never seen a dog hump someones leg, or a couch, or whatever.. then you probably just never had a dog.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
#5455010 - 03/29/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Goats, kangaroos, horses, porcupines, dogs, monkies, bulls, and sheep are some of just a few animals that find ways of getting themselves off.
Once again here is a great wikipedia quote:
I am informed by a gentleman who is a recognized authority on goats, that they sometimes take the penis into the mouth and produce actual orgasm, thus practicing auto-fellatio. As regards ferrets ... "if the bitch, when in heat, cannot obtain a dog [ie, male ferret] she pines and becomes ill. If a smooth pebble is introduced into the hutch, she will masturbate upon it, thus preserving her normal health for one season. But if this artificial substitute is given to her a second season, she will not, as formerly, be content with it." [...] Blumenbach observed a bear act somewhat similarly on seeing other bears coupling, and hyenas, according to Ploss and Bartels, have been seen practicing mutual masturbation by licking each other's genitals.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: moog]
#9711323 - 01/31/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 17 hours ago) |
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moog said: I've learned through experience and intuition that semen holds a lot of chi. I've tried to give up sex/masturbation so many times to try to build up and put my chi to better use, but could never do it. I just get really tense and i get angry at the littlest things after just 2 days without cumming. If someone could tell me how to get past this stage and calm down somehow maybe i could go longer.
To get past this stage do Om meditation for at least 5 minutes a day. Basically sit in a chair and whisper om outloud. Om meditation helps one to be calm.
Saying a mantra on mala beads(108 beads in a mala rosary) one time around helps one to avoid the bad habit of masturbation. Its good for a mantra to be more than 1 word long.
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dr_gonz said: nam meoho renge kyo
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: dr_gonz]
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That's an interesting mantra. At first I thought it might be native american.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: lines]
#9714136 - 01/31/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 8 hours ago) |
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My two cents: No hard science here, just things I suspect.
Blue balls: a response to the expectation of sex, generally in the presence of an ovulating female. There are pheromones involved. Smell the woman, develop great expectations.... and nothing. Arrgh!!
Ejaculation: Moderation At the same time, it seems that this function is more complex than keeping sperm count at a specific level. Sperm are re-absorbed by the body, so in theory there's no reason why withholding ejaculation for any amount of time is inherently "bad". Rather, there is a primal instinct to fuck, and while masturbation plays a part in keeping that function in check, I think it's possible to turn that switch off. Not saying I've found it, just that it's possible.
One person may go for years without any adverse affects, while another person experiences building anxiety which can lead to poor health. What's the difference? It seems that the subconscious desire to fuck being un-met results in tension, and this has nothing to do with sperm levels. Rather, there is a "switch" in the mind. If a person can cut off their sexual lust, not ejaculating wouldn't be a problem.
There was a post I read a couple months back on another message board, this guy explained how he was told masturbation was bad as a teenager, and abstained until his early 20's, 5-6 years no release whatsoever. Didn't cause him any problems. He was seduced one night, fucked the girl for several hours, masturbated in the shower, went home, masturbated for several more hours and went to sleep with a hard-on. 
I also suspect that there is only a loose relationship between sperm levels and chi. I honestly don't think sperm production is that energy intensive. A person can expend 1000 calories at some other activity and feel great, or they can ejaculate too much and feel "drained". It is not a problem of energy, rather chi is a result of body chemistry based on current sperm levels. Biologically, a guy needs to be "ready" at all times and a loss of sexual desire (low chi) keeps a man from fully depleting his reserves. Some younger guys can do it several times a day without any problems. Their balls are creating lots of sperm. However, if they were to double their habit (not a suggestion), they too would experience low energy levels. Everyone has their limit, and a loss of chi is just a response to being close to empty.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: The_Hobbit]
#9715679 - 02/01/09 02:16 AM (15 years, 2 hours ago) |
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Great post + i agree with the original poster.
I find it very hard to abstain, and have been looking at pornography lately and have trouble cutting it out... Although i do intend to... soonish...
I dont think masturbation or sex is inherently bad, but i think it is often done for the wrong reasons + i have experience using both for the wrong reasons. Thus i have an uncertain view of both - i lean towards wanting to control myself inorder to redefine my relationship with them.
Easier said than done.
OP - i too find increased vitality when withholding.
I notice many negative thought patterns and even physical traits when i view pornography..
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: dr_gonz]
#9740473 - 02/05/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Masturbation in itself is not bad, as it takes in electromagnetic energy. What's actually debilitating to the spiritual practitioner is the orgasm, not the act of sex or masturbation. The orgasm unleashes your stored sexual energy, wasting it instead of transmuting it into trans-formative energy for the purpose of raising the kundalini or channeling it through other energy centers in your body. So to put it simple, the more you ejaculate, the less energy you have, the dimmer your aura is, and the weaker your psychic impression on others is.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Eviander]
#9741855 - 02/05/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lines, I have been enjoying your insights, keep em coming.
So here are some of my thoughts:
The energetic qualities of ascetic practice are worth pondering, whether it is bramacharya or periodic fasting. (naturally people say similar things about fasting; as both are very much substance and energy oriented disciplines) I suspect that these energies are in a western/"scientific" sense, "metaphorical". For instance, I highly doubt that there is some observable source of energy in the substance of sperm, that you could maybe fuel a lawn mower with a few drops of. So it is either "metaphorical", or from another viewpoint, concerns the mind and body as an open dynamic.
Sex is as taboo as psychedelics, and I think it makes sense that it is as significant of a tool in human terms. I do not believe either mushrooms or abstinence is an end to a mean. I do not think mushrooms=enlightenment, and I do not think giving up sex is enlightenment. But they are both very much universal, and you might begin to see a karmic world based upon a sex drive.
It seems natural that psychedelics can point us toward this sort of practice. I have always been frustrated with the shift from pseudo-enlightenment to being "down". Another stark reality that runs exactly parallel, is the sex drive. (I don't think I have ever been horny while tripping.)
Biologically, everything runs on sex, but it is conceivable to get through the day without it. Isn't this incredibly significant? I think mostly everyone has pondered giving "it" up, but what is it that always overrides this curiosity? As it is the case with any addiction, it is easy to be convinced that reason overrides.
Bramacharya is alot like shamanic practice. Don't let someone who has never experienced this trip (including yourself) convince you of anything.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
#9742435 - 02/05/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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All I know is that when I don't masturbate, I experience significantly increased energy, and a much better mood. It has nothing to do with guilt, I don't feel guilty about it.
I always slip back into masturbating though, thinking "oh it won't be like that again" and then I feel dumb when it is, like always
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: boxcarguy07]
#9746650 - 02/05/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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boxcarguy07 said: All I know is that when I don't masturbate, I experience significantly increased energy, and a much better mood. It has nothing to do with guilt, I don't feel guilty about it.
I always slip back into masturbating though, thinking "oh it won't be like that again" and then I feel dumb when it is, like always
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#9748873 - 02/06/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Inspired by this thread and other recent threads, I have "stopped masturbating" and stopped watching porn completely.
I masturbated only once in the last 2 weeks, and this was a sort of "tantric masturbation" where I intently focused on the sensations and purposely raised my sexual energy, without any immediate desire for release, although I did allow myself release after 45 minutes or so of this, but even after this I felt like I had built up so much energy that all of it wasn't drained.
It has been about a week after that session. I have been having trouble sleeping. Seriously. I will lay in bed at night for hours and hours and just feel like I have so much energy and no need for my body to sleep. Is this normal? I know one other person mentioned this.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
#9749606 - 02/06/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea that also happens to me. Just do some strenuous cardiovascular exercise during the day to vent some energy and you should be able to go to sleep.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Eviander]
#9749956 - 02/06/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I haven't spanked it in a long time, and less than once a month over the past year. getting away from porn (which I have been surrounded by since I was 7) has been SO good for me in so many ways, and has made this easier.
Tomorrow will be a week since I last released, which is amazing for my wife and I. We're going to try and go three months, and really work on other ways of physically loving each other. God knows we got the other way down pat.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
#9750069 - 02/06/09 02:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mirth said: I have always beleived this but somehow lived for years without being distinctly aware of it. I have been experimenting lately (giving up 'porn of all forms' and 'masturbation' for extended periods, and generally being aware of my vitality levels) and have powerfully reinstated this fact into my pysche as a result .
I recommend trying to close off all escape channels for your life energy - then over time you will become much more calm, confident, energetic, happy and other stuff too - seriously .
Just reading this pisses me off. I can't quite put my finger on it. But tonight I'll get a grip and relieve myself. I'll be chilled out and ready for bed, and you'll be pent up and mad with chastity disease.
Abstinence just leads to sexual dysfunction. Case in point: Catholic priests.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9750092 - 02/06/09 02:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear what you're saying, but in the case of Catholic Priests, I think it's safe to say that there is a LOT more going on than just not blowing a load for a while, starting with the LIFELONG commitment to celibacy. And then you can move on to the rest of the issues that may incline a Catholic priest to do nutty things.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9750171 - 02/06/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why does it piss you off?
From what I can see, his post was just an idea or a method that he recommends. Other than that it doesn't seem very catholic-inspired at all. There is no condemnation, or any hint of social shaming that I can perceive.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
#9750306 - 02/06/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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O I didn't know that this was the title post. Yeah the thread title is definitely offputting, I agree with that. I wonder what he really meant though, maybe it is not spoken in a catholic frame of mind, because his posts seem straight-foward enough to me.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
#9750678 - 02/06/09 04:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's a distinct difference between making a religious lifelong celibacy vow, and regulating how much you orgasm in order to produce certain physical, mental and spiritual benefits.
It could be compared to fasting. Periodic fasting is amazing for a person, but the body was meant for food. Taking a break from orgasms, I imagine, is great too, but I don't think that total celibacy is for most.
My two pennies
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9751052 - 02/06/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is a big difference between celibacy and transmuting ones sexual energy into other forms of energy. Celibacy is simply the abstinence from any form of sexual activity, even if it is aimed towards other things rather than lust. In fact, in juxtaposition with my opinion on the topic, there are also those who have sex and achieve orgasm with the purpose of releasing that energy into manifestation in order to affect something outside of themselves with numerous intents: this is called black tantra. Also, correlating to my agreement, would be those who oblige to participate in sexual acts with the intent of transforming oneself with the produced energy, and instead of releasing that energy, it is used to charge oneself for transcendence: this is called white tantra. Both are forms of sex magick, and cleverly manipulate the most powerful drive in the animal world.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9751507 - 02/06/09 06:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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No doubt. I start to feel crazy when I don't let it loose. I get way too wacky of an energy build up. If it's possible to transform this energy, like in Qigong or whatnot, I am for it. Until I figure that out...imma keep at it.
I have noticed though, if you want to pick up girls easier - stop masturbating. This makes a lot of sense after having done it and see it work. If you get rid of the feeling that drives you to get off, which according to our evolutionary history probably didn't include manual pleasure, you're not going to want to chase after that which will keep your species alive. I notice I am way more sauve, talkative, confident, etc., when I abstain. I just can't keep that up for a very long time.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: fazdazzle]
#9754048 - 02/07/09 09:26 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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It would make sense that a man with a "full load" would 1. divert more energy into finding a chick and 2. perhaps be physically releasing more pheromones to attract a mate. The 2. I have no idea about, but it would seem to make sense.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
#9755104 - 02/07/09 02:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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My personal opinion is that until a way is found to turn off that desire (which I have not found), moderation is the key. If a man gives in to the desire for release every time the desire presents itself, low energy levels may be experienced. Empty. This gives rise to the notion that masturbation = bad. But then without masturbation a person may begin to feel more energy that they know what to do with. This is why I say go for a month, or at least 2-3 weeks, to see what happens. If a person can see that both extremes aren't working well, then moderation becomes the goal.
There will be a good observation, if a person can maintain moderation long enough. The denial of pleasure on demand is good, and not allowing energy to build up to the point of anxiety is good. When a person does ejaculate in moderation, there will not be this energy loss and the feeling of being drained.
Although porn is more accepted by many segments of culture than ever before, I see less value in it than ever before. In order to enjoy it, a person must forget that these people have lives, more often than not that are not "going well", they accept money for something I personally see as sacred, and they do things which they would not otherwise do if it weren't for the money, or personal issues. I realize that these facts are debatable, but my wish is only to draw attention to the fact that what is being seen, is not "reality". If you sit and try to watch porn with all that in mind, it becomes an obstacle to gratification. Thus, the porn "stars" must be dehumanized to some extent, and the body doesn't really know the difference. Each viewing could be considered a relationship of a sort, and the mind accepts some programming each time as to what a "relationship" is. While a person may enjoy this type of release, for many, it creates a distance between what they experience, and what they truly want to experience from a member of the opposite sex.
It may seem odd, to put your ejaculations on a schedule, as though it were some sort of "maintenance" program. But if you think about it, the different states of mind that come through use and mis-use, it's worth it to find out the full scope of potential in this regard so that you can find out what works best for you. Moderate for a couple months and look back. This is the only logical use. Once you know the product of the choices available, you are more able to choose based on what is right, and good, for the self.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
#9755202 - 02/07/09 02:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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daytripper23 said: Why does it piss you off?
From what I can see, his post was just an idea or a method that he recommends. Other than that it doesn't seem very catholic-inspired at all. There is no condemnation, or any hint of social shaming that I can perceive.
it's the title "Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad"
For a start, it's not accurate. Semen is fluid used in reproduction. And Masturbation = v.bad? It's stress relieving, cheaper, and healthier than taking a drink or having a smoke.
I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain. I can understand why people would publish their belief, to find out if they are alone or if not, draw strength in like minded people sympathetic to their choice. I've got things in my life that I think are really neat (praying, jam on toast, running until it's painful then laying about when recovering) but I don't have any impulse to talk about them in depth. I don't need others to bolster my choices.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9758748 - 02/08/09 02:53 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said:
I don't need others to bolster my choices.
So, whats your point?
I think this is an undefined realm which many of us have seemed to ponder about/delved into + its useful to discuss it.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
#9759241 - 02/08/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain.
The gain here is pretty well defined. That gain is higher energy levels. I would be interested in denying myself short term pleasure if the long term gains made it worthwhile. 
Whether there is a correlation between energy levels and masturbation I'm not sure yet, but I am willing to experiment.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
#9764142 - 02/09/09 01:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain.
I find it empowering to control impulses which come naturally without thought.
Once you can control yourself (body and mind) you gain more control of your surroundings.
Control = understanding
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: PDU]
#9764274 - 02/09/09 02:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Control is an illusion young jedi.
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: whattheheck]
#9774208 - 02/10/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's a distinct difference between making a religious lifelong celibacy vow, and regulating how much you orgasm in order to produce certain physical, mental and spiritual benefits.
It could be compared to fasting. Periodic fasting is amazing for a person, but the body was meant for food. Taking a break from orgasms, I imagine, is great too, but I don't think that total celibacy is for most.
My two pennies
I think this is definitely worth considering, but the opposite also has its own contradictions. For instance, I may agree with this, but it puts me in the troublesome position of the conscious seeker, aka "Dharma burden". Objectifying "the process" can be a hefty problem.
(Not that you were necessarily advocating an opposite or extreme; I just thought it was worth mentioning)
Its obvious that one must put sex in the context of living. Perhaps since we are dealing with such a primal function/energetic drive, it would be wise not to muddle the idea as expressed in a time frame, an abstract energy/function. Maybe it should rather be, this applies to my life, whether it is one moment, or my whole life.
Just some thoughts; not sure what I am exactly saying.
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