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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #9748873 - 02/06/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Inspired by this thread and other recent threads, I have "stopped masturbating" and stopped watching porn completely.

I masturbated only once in the last 2 weeks, and this was a sort of "tantric masturbation" where I intently focused on the sensations and purposely raised my sexual energy, without any immediate desire for release, although I did allow myself release after 45 minutes or so of this, but even after this I felt like I had built up so much energy that all of it wasn't drained.

It has been about a week after that session.  I have been having trouble sleeping.  Seriously.  I will lay in bed at night for hours and hours and just feel like I have so much energy and no need for my body to sleep.  Is this normal?  I know one other person mentioned this.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9749606 - 02/06/09 12:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yea that also happens to me. Just do some strenuous cardiovascular exercise during the day to vent some energy and you should be able to go to sleep.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Eviander]
    #9749956 - 02/06/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't spanked it in a long time, and less than once a month over the past year. getting away from porn (which I have been surrounded by since I was 7) has been SO good for me in so many ways, and has made this easier.

Tomorrow will be a week since I last released, which is amazing for my wife and I. We're going to try and go three months, and really work on other ways of physically loving each other. God knows we got the other way down pat. :grin:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #9750069 - 02/06/09 02:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Mirth said:
I have always beleived this but somehow lived for years without being distinctly aware of it.
I have been experimenting lately (giving up 'porn of all forms' and 'masturbation' for extended periods, and generally being aware of my vitality levels) and have powerfully reinstated this fact into my pysche as a result .

I recommend trying to close off all escape channels for your life energy - then over time you will become much more calm, confident, energetic, happy and other stuff too - seriously .




Just reading this pisses me off. I can't quite put my finger on it. But tonight I'll get a grip and relieve myself. I'll be chilled out and ready for bed, and you'll be pent up and mad with chastity disease.

Abstinence just leads to sexual dysfunction. Case in point: Catholic priests.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9750092 - 02/06/09 02:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I hear what you're saying, but in the case of Catholic Priests, I think it's safe to say that there is a LOT more going on than just not blowing a load for a while, starting with the LIFELONG commitment to celibacy. And then you can move on to the rest of the issues that may incline a Catholic priest to do nutty things.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9750171 - 02/06/09 02:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why does it piss you off?

From what I can see, his post was just an idea or a method that he recommends. Other than that it doesn't seem very catholic-inspired at all. There is no condemnation, or any hint of social shaming that I can perceive.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
    #9750306 - 02/06/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

O I didn't know that this was the title post. Yeah the thread title is definitely offputting, I agree with that. I wonder what he really meant though, maybe it is not spoken in a catholic frame of mind, because his posts seem straight-foward enough to me.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
    #9750678 - 02/06/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There's a distinct difference between making a religious lifelong celibacy vow, and regulating how much you orgasm in order to produce certain physical, mental and spiritual benefits.

It could be compared to fasting. Periodic fasting is amazing for a person, but the body was meant for food. Taking a break from orgasms, I imagine, is great too, but I don't think that total celibacy is for most.

My two pennies


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9751052 - 02/06/09 05:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There is a big difference between celibacy and transmuting ones sexual energy into other forms of energy. Celibacy is simply the abstinence from any form of sexual activity, even if it is aimed towards other things rather than lust. In fact, in juxtaposition with my opinion on the topic, there are also those who have sex and achieve orgasm with the purpose of releasing that energy into manifestation in order to affect something outside of themselves with numerous intents: this is called black tantra. Also, correlating to my agreement, would be those who oblige to participate in sexual acts with the intent of transforming oneself with the produced energy, and instead of releasing that energy, it is used to charge oneself for transcendence: this is called white tantra. Both are forms of sex magick, and cleverly manipulate the most powerful drive in the animal world.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9751507 - 02/06/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

No doubt. I start to feel crazy when I don't let it loose. I get way too wacky of an energy build up. If it's possible to transform this energy, like in Qigong or whatnot, I am for it. Until I figure that out...imma keep at it.

I have noticed though, if you want to pick up girls easier - stop masturbating. This makes a lot of sense after having done it and see it work. If you get rid of the feeling that drives you to get off, which according to our evolutionary history probably didn't include manual pleasure, you're not going to want to chase after that which will keep your species alive. I notice I am way more sauve, talkative, confident, etc., when I abstain. I just can't keep that up for a very long time.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: fazdazzle]
    #9754048 - 02/07/09 09:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It would make sense that a man with a "full load" would 1. divert more energy into finding a chick and 2. perhaps be physically releasing more pheromones to attract a mate.  The 2. I have no idea about, but it would seem to make sense.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9755104 - 02/07/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

My personal opinion is that until a way is found to turn off that desire (which I have not found), moderation is the key. If a man gives in to the desire for release every time the desire presents itself, low energy levels may be experienced. Empty. This gives rise to the notion that masturbation = bad. But then without masturbation a person may begin to feel more energy that they know what to do with. This is why I say go for a month, or at least 2-3 weeks, to see what happens. If a person can see that both extremes aren't working well, then moderation becomes the goal.

There will be a good observation, if a person can maintain moderation long enough. The denial of pleasure on demand is good, and not allowing energy to build up to the point of anxiety is good. When a person does ejaculate in moderation, there will not be this energy loss and the feeling of being drained.

Although porn is more accepted by many segments of culture than ever before, I see less value in it than ever before. In order to enjoy it, a person must forget that these people have lives, more often than not that are not "going well", they accept money for something I personally see as sacred, and they do things which they would not otherwise do if it weren't for the money, or personal issues. I realize that these facts are debatable, but my wish is only to draw attention to the fact that what is being seen, is not "reality". If you sit and try to watch porn with all that in mind, it becomes an obstacle to gratification. Thus, the porn "stars" must be dehumanized to some extent, and the body doesn't really know the difference. Each viewing could be considered a relationship of a sort, and the mind accepts some programming each time as to what a "relationship" is. While a person may enjoy this type of release, for many, it creates a distance between what they experience, and what they truly want to experience from a member of the opposite sex.

It may seem odd, to put your ejaculations on a schedule, as though it were some sort of "maintenance" program. But if you think about it, the different states of mind that come through use and mis-use, it's worth it to find out the full scope of potential in this regard so that you can find out what works best for you. Moderate for a couple months and look back. This is the only logical use. Once you know the product of the choices available, you are more able to choose based on what is right, and good, for the self.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
    #9755202 - 02/07/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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daytripper23 said:
Why does it piss you off?

From what I can see, his post was just an idea or a method that he recommends. Other than that it doesn't seem very catholic-inspired at all. There is no condemnation, or any hint of social shaming that I can perceive.




it's the title "Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad"

For a start, it's not accurate. Semen is fluid used in reproduction. And Masturbation = v.bad? It's stress relieving, cheaper, and healthier than taking a drink or having a smoke.

I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain. I can understand why people would publish their belief, to find out if they are alone or if not, draw strength in like minded people sympathetic to their choice. I've got things in my life that I think are really neat (praying, jam on toast, running until it's painful then laying about when recovering) but I don't have any impulse to talk about them in depth. I don't need others to bolster my choices.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9758748 - 02/08/09 02:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Visionary Tools said:

I don't need others to bolster my choices.




So, whats your point?

I think this is an undefined realm which many of us have seemed to ponder about/delved into + its useful to discuss it.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9759241 - 02/08/09 08:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain.




The gain here is pretty well defined.  That gain is higher energy levels.  I would be interested in denying myself short term pleasure if the long term gains made it worthwhile.  :shrug:

Whether there is a correlation between energy levels and masturbation I'm not sure yet, but I am willing to experiment.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9764142 - 02/09/09 01:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
I'm not one to interfere in other peoples lives, but I'm incapable of understanding why people go through life denying themselves pleasure for some obscure, ill defined gain.




I find it empowering to control impulses which come naturally without thought.

Once you can control yourself (body and mind) you gain more control of your surroundings.

Control = understanding


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: PDU]
    #9764274 - 02/09/09 02:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Control is an illusion young jedi. :jedi:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: whattheheck]
    #9774208 - 02/10/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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There's a distinct difference between making a religious lifelong celibacy vow, and regulating how much you orgasm in order to produce certain physical, mental and spiritual benefits.

It could be compared to fasting. Periodic fasting is amazing for a person, but the body was meant for food. Taking a break from orgasms, I imagine, is great too, but I don't think that total celibacy is for most.

My two pennies




I think this is definitely worth considering, but the opposite also has its own contradictions. For instance, I may agree with this, but it puts me in the troublesome position of the conscious seeker, aka "Dharma burden". Objectifying "the process" can be a hefty problem.

(Not that you were necessarily advocating an opposite or extreme; I just thought it was worth mentioning)

Its obvious that one must put sex in the context of living. Perhaps since we are dealing with such a primal function/energetic drive, it would be wise not to muddle the idea as expressed in a time frame, an abstract energy/function. Maybe it should rather be, this applies to my life, whether it is one moment, or my whole life.

Just some thoughts; not sure what I am exactly saying.

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