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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #5428788 - 03/22/06 06:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just go to church and pray for more "chi" and "energy".

Problem solved.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: badchad]
    #5428857 - 03/22/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

unfortunately, for some of us turning off our brain and becoming ignorant to all of our potentials is just not an option. I wish I could get satisfaction out of joining a herd of singing sheep, but for some reason it does not work for me.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #5429682 - 03/22/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Snot = concentrated life energy, blowing nose = V. bad

Same with taking a shit, piss, or whatever. This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: psyka]
    #5431012 - 03/22/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.




i would beg to differ. besides from personal experience, there are plenty out there with "knowledge" that can verify the significance of the process. a myth is a story, what you are referring to is a practice that has been used for thousands of years, for many different reasons, a majority of them involving enlightenment.

imagine holding your bladder for a long amount of time, over and over year after year. along with probably giving yourself a serious condition, you would also in turn get used to the feeling of having to pee, and be able to ignore it. needless to say, whether you end up stretching your bladder, or losing control of it, a change did in fact take place in the body, and the way it functions.

Now, feces and urine have never really had much else tied to them, at least not spiritually / psychologically, at least not in anything ive ever come across. as for sexual fluids, are you to say that there is no psychological effects of the release of semen (or in a females case, her period)? Relief is one thing, but the relief after a great shit or a long piss is not even closely connected to the emotional and psychological processes you go through when releasing sexual fluids.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5432142 - 03/22/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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kotik said:
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This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all.




i would beg to differ.  besides from personal experience, there are plenty out there with "knowledge" that can verify the significance of the process.  a myth is a story, what you are referring to is a practice that has been used for thousands of years, for many different reasons, a majority of them involving enlightenment.

imagine holding your bladder for a long amount of time, over and over year after year.  along with probably giving yourself a serious condition, you would also in turn get used to the feeling of having to pee, and be able to ignore it.  needless to say, whether you end up stretching your bladder, or losing control of it, a change did in fact take place in the body, and the way it functions.

Now, feces and urine have never really had much else tied to them, at least not spiritually / psychologically, at least not in anything ive ever come across.  as for sexual fluids, are you to say that there is no psychological effects of the release of semen (or in a females case, her period)?  Relief is one thing, but the relief after a great shit or a long piss is not even closely connected to the emotional and psychological processes you go through when releasing sexual fluids.




its not really realistic to compare urine and sperm...
if you dont pee, you will do yourself much harm, and will eventually have to pee!! because where else does it go.
while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no, the swimmers are broken down.
and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc.
funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.

point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released, or  you can hold it, and become energized amnd not think of sex.
the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children... :thumbup:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
    #5432997 - 03/23/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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its not really realistic to compare urine and sperm...




agreed, that was partly done in humor, but also to prove a point.

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while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no,




now THAT is an unfair comparison. now it seems you are comparing semen retention with a vasectomy, which is not the same. Semen is different from sperm which makes up only a very small part of the volume of semen. And much like a kidney stone, semen retention can lead to impotence, as well as the formation of "seminal stones" which are the results of crystalized build-ups. Masturbation prevents this. So yes, in fact is does "build up in your nuts" to put it elegantly.

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and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc.
funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.




again, this is not something that you either believe or dont believe. that doesnt matter. what matters is that YES it works, if you know how to approach it correctly. It can be repeated and experienced for yourself if you dont believe, it does not require any sort of "faith" or religious experience. Its purely physical and emotional ("spiritual").

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point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released




ha, yes well the point to a heroin addict is that they can go ahead and shoot up, and not think about their addiction because they just satsfied it. extreme analogy in response to an extreme statement.

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the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children...




as with all, moderation is key. with moderation the pros and cons reach a balance. Just as retention can cause problems, so can masturbating too much. Neither of those results require religion or faith either.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5433019 - 03/23/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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while sperm if not released is broken down inside the body. when you get your tubes cut, you think it builds up in your nuts?!?! hell no,




now THAT is an unfair comparison.  now it seems you are comparing semen retention with a vasectomy, which is not the same.  Semen is different from sperm which makes up only a very small part of the volume of semen.  And much like a kidney stone, semen retention can lead to impotence, as well as the formation of "seminal stones" which are the results of crystalized build-ups.  Masturbation prevents this.  So yes, in fact is does "build up in your nuts" to put it elegantly.




but i wasnt comparing semen retention to a vasectomy, i was saying that sperm after sufficient amount of time will break down while urine in comparison will not.

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and this practice has no proven effects. some people say it makes them feel more uplifted, more focused, less horny, etc.
funny enough, people who masterbate say the same thing about masterbation!they feel energized, focused, less horny (obviously), etc.




again, this is not something that you either believe or dont believe.  that doesnt matter.  what matters is that YES it works, if you know how to approach it correctly.  It can be repeated and experienced for yourself if you dont believe, it does not require any sort of "faith" or religious experience.  Its purely physical and emotional ("spiritual").




but it is something you just believe, there is no evidence that it does work. without any evidence we can not make anything more than an assumption. and an assumption is a belief, not a truth.

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point is, the effect is that you can jerk it and you will be energized and not think of sex cause you jsut released




ha, yes well the point to a heroin addict is that they can go ahead and shoot up, and not think about their addiction because they just satsfied it.  extreme analogy in response to an extreme statement.




the point i was making was that either way you will get the same  result. sex/release is one your mind, making it harder to focus on what ever you are doing and making you drag. the thought of sex/release is natural and if anything i think it is wrong to go against your nature. but if you do, after enough time your mind slowly forgets about sex and thus looses the sexual urges or whatever and you then get the same results has had you just masturbated, who cares? and you cant compare masturbation to heroin.... like i said, we crave the release, but the difference is that this is a natural craving. its like when we are hungry, we crave for food, and theres a reason.
i like to listen to my body, and when my body says i need to release, then so be it.

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the only difference being that by holding it you also risk the chance of doing internal damage which could leave you without children...




as with all, moderation is key.  with moderation the pros and cons reach a balance.  Just as retention can cause problems, so can masturbating too much.  Neither of those results require religion or faith either.




obviously moderation is the key... lol. in one of my previous replies i did say that it should not be used excessively. if masturbation is stopping you from getting things done and from enjoying your life, then it is no longer a natural urge rather a problem (which you then can relate to an addiction i guess).



basically all im saying is that i have yet to see any proof what so ever of abstinence of masturbation actually helping anyone, if anything i have only seen its negative (sterility). also i believe that the reasoning of cum being your life energy and that by releasing it you are doing yourself harm which the thread starter put as his title is total BS.

ok... this post is getting way too long... lol.



so if youll excuse me, i got some fluids to release :grin:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: eligal]
    #5434263 - 03/23/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It's true... but you have to slowly stop releasing every day.
As a man sex just for orgasm is bad for long term chi and longterm life energy. have sex to build up, and let it cook for a while..
Then go back, and go crazy with your girl.
If you wank it 3 times a day, stopping all of a sudden can be very painful.
In general, all things are good in moderation... even sex
close call there
Save your stuff as long as you can.




does this apply to women? See I feel like masturbating fucks up your chi too (if you ejaculate) but this just makes me hate being a man all the more.... being a lesbian would be kind of nice.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
    #5435015 - 03/23/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no, it does not apply to women. it happens to them when through menstruation, but not through orgasm. There are practices that will allow men to have an orgasm, but not ejaculate, so retention does not mean you have to abstain from sex either. Not sure what any of that has to do with lesbians


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5435971 - 03/23/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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kotik said:
There are practices that will allow men to have an orgasm, but not ejaculate, so retention does not mean you have to abstain from sex either. Not sure what any of that has to do with lesbians



this is true..... I have experimented with this before and it's enjoyable but at the end of it all you just really want to ejaculate, and not ejaculating seems like it would be a let down.

I'm not sure.

What I do know is that my sex drive is almost nil...... I can only masturbate a few times a day [maximum i usually don't do it even once a day, maybe 2-3 times a week] even though I have the desire to go through marathons with it, the physiology just won't let me squeeze one out every 5 to 10 minutes by any strength of the imagination.

And when I do do it more than once in a row..... I end up feeling depleted afterward, like the little sexual energy that I had is now gone.

If I retain orgasm for a long time, going off and on and off and on when I finally do ejaculate I do feel tingling energy in the appropriate areas but I'm not sure if indincates an activation of the energy center, or the release of all built up energy.

All I know is I'm sexually dysfunctional from psychological problems.
Psychological ----- > energetic -------> physical.
Or something like that. My lower chakras are not open.

oh and I was saying I would like to be a woman so as to be able to get off easily and as much as I wanted until my sexual desires were fulfilled (masturbation does NOT fulfill me!!!!!!!) but..... then I'd have to be a lesbian because there's no way I'd want to go through child-birth.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
    #5440420 - 03/25/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

retention of energy is best for you when you have some focus. if you are confused about many things, i cannot imagine the extra energy would be as beneficial as it should be.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5443413 - 03/26/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Snot = concentrated life energy, blowing nose = V. bad

Same with taking a shit, piss, or whatever. This is pure myth with no foundation in knowledge, at all."

Okay- I can remember a time where I lived in my own flat jacked off alot and was often low on energy this lasted months, when I masturbated loads I had less energy.
Three or four times I have lived for two weeks without masturbating or even indulging in thoughts of sex, suggestions came sure but I let them pass and willed no indulgence, these experiments proved vividly and without doubt that cum has life energy -or IS life energy because I felt amazingly happier, more creative more confident etc.

Scientists stopped some worms from being able to cum and their life span doubled .In Taoism 'not wasting sperm' is essential if one is to attempt to live "as an immortal superbeing". In Hinduism retention of semen and control of sexual thoughts is key to raising oneself above normal consciousness and become a God.

I have directly experienced this energy increase by quitting porn, masturbation etc and need no convincing - but for those who havent why not try two weeks of no indulgence in sex, but I warn you that you need strong willpower to curb your appetite and you might do crazy things to get off .
If you can handle it I think it will likely change your life .


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #5443926 - 03/26/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There is a more scientific explanation behind this. The brain is wired to seek out sexual gratification. There are much more neurons dedicated to this purpose than there are for finding food. When a person becomes celibate, they must redirect all this energy to other purposes. This is why celibate monks and nuns will often report feelings of religious ecstacy.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #5443939 - 03/26/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Mirth said:

I have directly experienced this energy increase by quitting porn, masturbation etc and need no convincing - but for those who havent why not try two weeks of no indulgence in sex, but I warn you that you need strong willpower to curb your appetite and you might do crazy things to get off .
If you can handle it I think it will likely change your life .



what about your dreams, is it alright to have sexual encounters in them so long as you don't "wet" yourself?

I'm taking a bit of break just because I SHOULD take a bit of a break.... dunno how long.... until I feel like stopping and resuming ..... but I find that it makes random flashes of sexual desires/thoughts in dreamstate more likely ...... the catch is I don't get sexual release from sexual dreams unless I've stopped masturbating for a really long time.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
    #5444542 - 03/26/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

religious ecstasy? I could go for some of that
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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: DICK]
    #5444914 - 03/26/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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religious ecstasy? I could go for some of that
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Come to Jesus.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
    #5445340 - 03/26/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

how are you supposed to do that?


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: leery11]
    #5446082 - 03/27/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dont understand why thats more scientific why cant I reference texts compiled by massively experienced ancient cultures as a scientist.Or were you refering to something else ?

leery.
Ultimately if you dont actually cum whislt dreaming then you have retained more energy than if you did. You will find however that you are much less likely to have anything like a wet dream when your general atiitude to sex is less openly indulgent .


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #5446094 - 03/27/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Religious ecstasy hee hee, the thought of buying pills from a nun haha


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Mirth]
    #5446796 - 03/27/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont understand why thats more scientific why cant I reference texts compiled by massively experienced ancient cultures as a scientist.



You're welcome to do so, but those ancients didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today.


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