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WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean?
#5422285 - 03/20/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The lsd I have had as only come from only a handful of batches, so i havent necisarrily had the best sampling. But from the many experiences I have had off those few batches I really dont understand what the fuck people are talk about acid being "clean" or the trip being "clean". Correct me if I wrong but I think the only differences between batches is the potentcy, the other variations in the trip come from the user and the environment. I really doubt theres some sort of psychoactive adulterants whether they were put there intentionally or through poor manufacturing. Anyone got any input on this subject?
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422292 - 03/20/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure that clean means that is was actually LSD and not some other chemical, rc or what not
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: Kerr]
#5422297 - 03/20/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Possibly when the term is used by some people. But I have often heard it used to compare one acid experience to another.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422302 - 03/20/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just people fooling themselves.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422304 - 03/20/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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there are different purities of acid..
'clean' acid is just a very distinct feeling, i think... it's hard to describe, as it's describing a trip... it's a nice even come-up, steady peak, even come-down w/ the ability to sleep, imo.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: Yoschie99]
#5422330 - 03/20/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you mean by purity? Are you saying that somehow, a batch of lsd being more pure therefore more potent will cause a trip that will be different than if you took and larger amount of an less potent batch but still took the same dose?
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422344 - 03/20/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would think so, I am no chemist but I bet if a step in the process was somehow faulty then the product would infact have a different makeup altogether. Maybe I am just talking outta my ass thought
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: Yoschie99]
#5422345 - 03/20/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are different purities to LSD. As with ANY chemical synthesis, nothing is ever 100% (or atleast very rarely), and impurities in the materials, correct excution of various steps, or even the steps in the synthesis (you can take different 'routes' to end up at the end result, and these routes can produce products of varying level of purity - this can happen in any chemical synthesis, and not just LSD).
With LSD, there are (or were) different types of LSD crystal. From the "LSD-Crystal to blotter thread" (link)
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TYPES OF CRYSTAL Needlepoint-very pure(95%) white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best White Fluff-Very pure(95%) white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure Silver-Good and clean(85-90%)-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver. Amber-Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price. Lavender-(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch. TJ(tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it. Champagne-(50-60%) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.
Now, the purity also effects the dosages. However, what accounts for that other say, 30% of substance from say, an Amber crystal?
While these impurities may not have any direct psychedelic effect on their own - I dont think it'd be too much of a stretch to think that it could impact other parts of the trip.
For example, my last batch of LSD - I am 99.99% sure it was 'real' LSD - but, it did have a bit of an 'edge' to it - it still fit the charactersitcs of an LSD trip in terms of come up, peak duration, come down. However, there was a certian 'something' off about it that I cant quite pinpoint. Its as if it had a sinister edge to it, a bit of a chemical-push.
The most rescent batch of LSD I have, had a VERY different feel. Much cleaner, cleaner visuals, less body sensation, more lucid, more 'organic' feeling - things felt more warm and fuzzy, and not so much 'part of a machine'
While I suppose there /could/ be a chance the last stuff was an RC. The hits were normal sized, no thicker than normal, and you could trip pretty well with just 1.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5422351 - 03/20/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well there ya go, thanks Kaniz for clearing that up
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5422382 - 03/20/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im still kinda sketchy about this whole thing. I dont see how the purity the crystal or whatever form it is, would affect the experience. LSD is LSD is it not? Don't you think it is much more possible that the variations you all experience come from your selves not the chemical?
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422410 - 03/20/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You are correct. "LSD is LSD".
However, if one were to get "white fluff" they would (according to Maniz's post) get something that is made up of 95% LSD, and 5% "other stuff". This "other stuff" could effect the experience.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: badchad]
#5422431 - 03/20/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only way that "other stuff" would effect the experience is if it were psychoactive. And if it is than what the fuck is it? I would think that after lsd being around for as long as it has if there were active byproducts from its production they would have been identified by now.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422442 - 03/20/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Every time I've tripped off of a certian batch of LSD. I have had multipul trips from the same batch. If I was tripping from a different batch every time - then yeah, I could see its just 'varations of the expierence comming from myself and not the chemical'.
And, every time I tripped off of that batch - there were certian characterstics present that were not there in other batches.
And, when you give the same batch to other people - they all report some of the same feelings.
And when, I trip from another batch - those 'other' things are no longer there. And again, you give this batch to other people, who also say "Yes, its better/cleaner, lacking in some of the 'edgy' ness of the previous batch" -- I find it hard to come down to 'simply being a product of set/setting'
Yes, the 'main' expereince from batch to batch to batch generally remains the same. It's like adding a spice to soup - it's still soup, still the same basic soup, still has (most) of the same ingredeints, but that bit of 'spice' flavours the trip in a different way.
The soup is the 70%, the spice is the 30% kind of thing.
You are putting chemicals into your body, your body reacts to these chemicals, if the chemical is slightly different (due to impurities, etc) - your body is going to react a bit differently to it.
Or, say take something like meth : there are different 'quality' levels of meth. Not only in it being cut or uncut with other crap, but also how it was made, the quality of the materials used in making it, and the proccess used to make it.
The high from really pure meth, that was made with pharmaceutical-grade materials, made in a clean lab, with proper equipment, and careful steps followed. Is much different then the high from meth that someone brewed in their bathtub on the weekend using over the counter supplies.
Yes, its still meth, it still jacks you up, but and the high is still a meth high. But, one can be a very clean, euphoric, energetic high, while one may just be a very jacked-up speedy/sketchy dirty feeling high.
Now, maybe you've just lucked out and constantly got good high-quality LSD, hell ? maybe its all crystal from the same batch, its just been distributed through a network where it?s landed on different blotters ? but it?s the same crystal on the blotter. Ie: someone made a bunch of crystal, sold/re-distributed it to different people, those people then re-sold it to different people, then eventually it got laid onto different blotter, of which you happened to buy ? but the source crystal was the same.
But, I still do think that the impurities in LSD which can come from poor synthesis, can affect the quality of the trip. Yes, its still very much an LSD expierence - there is no denying that, but just as a meth high can have a 'clean' or a 'dirty' feeling, so can LSD, or any other drug.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5422459 - 03/20/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You've definatley made some good points. But its still all very unscientific and I am still skeptical. Thanks for the input bro.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422480 - 03/20/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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These impurities would have to be extremely potent to have an effect on your trip. If you have some acid which is 70% pure then on a 100ug blotter you have 30ug of impurities. I fail to see how this could effect your trip (unless you take a massive dose). I honestly think it has more to do with every trip being different anyway due to se and setting etc.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: DLittle]
#5422503 - 03/20/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not a problem. Although, you may want to poke at the TiHKAL entry for LSD. Not sure if it will really help you in your answer - but there is alot of info there on LSD, analogs of LSD, etc.
I dont know enough about chemistry to know if some of those could be side-results of improper synthesis/etc, maybe someone with more chem knowledge could pipe in?
Either way - if a substance is only 60% pure LSD - whats that other 40% made up of? Is it stuff that is similar to LSD (analogs/etc) that could also be active? Is it just other 'crap' which dirties the trip?
While it may not have a psychoactive effect (thus, explaining why the basic parts of the trip are the same), it could have other effects on the mind/body - which can lead to that somewhat intangeble feeling of "You know, it's pretty much the same - but there is a certian something that feels different"
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5422635 - 03/20/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, again a nice legitimate answer from kaniz..
back to the subject, there will be pure LSD-25 in the future, you all can thank me later
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: InTheFlesh714]
#5422654 - 03/20/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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heres a simple thought...
look how small a dose of acid is, if one small calculation or w/e the fuk is involved in the process of sythesizing it can prolly vary the purity of each batch slightly.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: Weeded420]
#5423098 - 03/20/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the sake of putting this idea to rest, that all lsd is the best lsd, or nothing/something else entirely...........
All the discussion I have seen about psychoactive by-products and residues in blotters has focused on known such known products as the 4 isomers of LSD, variations on the anide group, known lysergic amines, etc. The information about these chemicals appears to be based on assays of extraction and synthesis products based on high-quality processes using materials and reagents of pharmaceutical quality. What goes on in illicit drug labs may be an entirely different story. Question: What happens when you substitute the hydrogens on any of the various positions of the lysergic backbone with some other element or compound? How do differences in saturation affect its qualities? If the base molecule is LSD it may still have very high potency, but qualitatively very different (eg: muddled) effects. The mechanism by which LSD alters consciousness is not understood. The fact that only 0.001% of a dose crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it leaves the brain within an hour suggests that it's mechanism of action is very different from most drugs, so generalizations about purity/quality based on other drugs should be used with caution. Perhaps there are phenomena of synchronization, synergy, or resonance in the neural response patterns to LSD that are disrupted or muted by the presence of variants of LSD at LSD receptors (if they exist). We simply don't know, and to pretend we can speak with certainty about such things is to indulge in hubris.
2. The analysis results in lsd.data proves that the vast majority of alleged LSD samples analyzed in 1973 and 1974 tested positive for LSD, and did not test positive for whatever other drugs they were testing for. Relevant questions include: How selective were the LSD identification tests used? and How many other drugs were tested for? In any case, based on numerous reports, I believe most of the acid available during those years was of high quality and was similar if not identical to LSD-25. The consistency of quality didn't start to plummet until the mid-1970s, due in part to restricted availability of chemicals required for synthesis.
SO there could be unwanted lysergic amines in your acid(some of which are biproducts and are very potent unlike the lsa's found in morning glories), or the actual moleculare body of lsd-25 can be altered. That or it could have a small amount of amphetamines, or more likely pcp. Which even in the 70's was not common, but still a reality.
Im sorry to say, all those who seem enthused to inform us all that lsd-25 is lsd-25 or it is something else entirely, you are very wrong. I knew how much certain types of acid reminded me of LSA's before I ever knew why.
Basically anyone who thinks that lsd-25 is either real acid or something else, has no idea what they are talking about.
There Are some links I hope to find and put this silly idea that all "lsd" is the best lsd, to rest.
Even in the 70's it was well documented that there are a variety of synths, many of which were easier to produce that make it into the hands of users. Im just going to go try to find the link that names off about 40 LSD-25-like molecules that have similare actions on the mind, and are as potent or are almost as potent.
A favorite of these drugs was ALD-25 even back in the day. Its a bit like a short cut in the synthesis. Many of these altered versions of lsd could very well be unintentional for a variety of reasons. I think it was leary said it best in his later years. Ill try to find that link too.
Edited by stemmer (03/20/06 08:13 PM)
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: stemmer]
#5423219 - 03/20/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stemmer, alot of good info in that post.
However, do you mean ALD-25, or ALD-52? Never heard of ALD-25 before, but have heard of ALD-52.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5423227 - 03/20/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did mean 52. SOmething about writing lsd-25 so many times.
hmm..... just switch the letters with other letters and turn the the 25 around. Thats kinda cool.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: stemmer]
#5423326 - 03/20/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I dont think 'impure' LSD would contain ALD-52. As if I recall correctly, you needed LSD to begin with to produce ALD-52.
There is a mention on it in the TiHKAL entry on LSD
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ALD-52. 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This material has been explored in the 50-175 microgram range and there are a number of human trials reported, with varying conclusions. One found that there was less visual distortion than with LSD and it seems to produce less anxiety and was somewhat less potent than LSD. Another report claimed it was more effective in increasing blood pressure. Yet another could not tell them apart. ALD-52 just may have been the drug that was sold as "Orange Sunshine" during the "Summer of Love" in the late '60's. Or "Orange Sunshine" may have been, really, LSD. This was the focus of a fascinating trial where two defendants were accused of distributing LSD, whereas they claimed that it was ALD-52 which was not an illegal drug. The prosecution claimed that as it hydrolyses readily to LSD, for all intents and purposes it was LSD, and anyway, you had to go through the illegal LSD to get to ALD-52 by any of the known chemical syntheses. The defendants were found guilty. And yet, I do not know who has actually measured the speed or ease of that reaction. If ALD-52 hydrolyses so easily to LSD, and the body is indeed a hydrolytic instrument, then these two drugs should be absolutely equivalent in every particular, This is the ergot equivalent of the psilocybin to psilocin argument, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester.
So from the sounds of it - you needed LSD to produce ALD-52, and the people who did that were doing as such to try and say "Hey, its not LSD, so its legal to produce and sell" -- maybe thus one of the things which lead to the analog laws we have today?
And another mention on erowid suggests that studies done comparing the brain waves of LSD vs ALD, shows that LSD produced brainwaves that lead towards anxiety and concentration, while ALD produced brain waves in line with a more relaxed mental state.
So, even if ALD was on the streets being sold as LSD, or appeard as impurities in LSD - it sounds like it would be a more relaxing high than LSD and not a 'dirty' high?
All around - I am not disagreeing with you. I just question if ALD-52 is the right substance that you are thinking about.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5423340 - 03/20/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right ALD-52 was just an example. I am well aware that it takes lsd to make ald-52. Its not one of the biproducts or adulterates I was talking about. Its a very interesting drug on its own. You make me wish I had not used it to exemplify lsd like drugs.
Just from personal experience I have had quite a few blotters that were certainly not rc's, and acted just like LSD. They were heavy on the body load, and were weak. They resembled LSA like substances to a T. Like an extreemely effective version of HBWR or morning glories. I know what I have felt, and there is much info out there to prove why I have felt this way about 20-30% of my 80 trips on acid. I have even had acid that was by far the best, not because it was more potent, but it was LSD for sure, and better than the rest. Go figure that was farm grade made in europe, and put into gels in the US. I knew the full background on this stuff and I have possibly had some of the best blotters, but this stuff just seemed like the real thing. Like the perfects molecule in its entirety with no unwanted biproducts, and certainly no seperate substances. It was perfect lsd and even after 80 trips it stuck out like a sore thumb. I am sure that those are as good as it gets. I had a sheet of them. Anyone who tried them said it was the best most potent acid they will ever have. One hit scared the crap out of some people. That was not because they were super potent tabs. They were around 150 mics a piece. They were perfect, and better than any blotter even if the blotter was more potent. There Is no damn way that my perception is skewed because it was a different drug. This was LSD-25 at its best. Nothing but the pure. I have had blotters that were as "pure", but the most potent blotters were different(unwanted byproducts that contributed to body load). I guess I could say that if it is the best LSD you have to know LSD very well to know for sure. Lsd-25 is so damn specific. I would almost compare the best most pure acid to mushrooms when not adulterated or tainted by unwanted byproducts. The visuals after even a low dose are very noticable. They give it the term clean, because the physical effects per visual unit are so subtle.
Ald may have been a bad example because it takes more processing, not less. It was indeed though of for a while as a legal and very on point legal alternative to LSD. I have heard the same things about how enjoyable it is. It does have some other things that make it more different when compared to LSD, than the byproducts I was talking about.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: stemmer]
#5423371 - 03/20/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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All around, in full agreement with you. I've only tripped off of blotteres, and maybe 5 different batches in total.
of those batches - 4 have been /very/ good. Clean, pure, insightful, not edgy, no body load.
Mt last batch of LSD (before my most current), just had an edge to it. It felt like a sinister push, more machine then man, it felt very mathematical and disconnected. In many ways - it was still very much LSD, but with differences that sort of tinted the expierence slightly.
An interesting read (I'm still mid-read on it right now), that you may find of interest is LSD Purity - Cleanliness is next to godliness, but it talks about alot about pure vs impure.
I dont think the whole 'pure/clean vs impure/dirty' LSD is just a matter of persoanl reactions to the chemicals or wishfull thinking.
We are all not getting 95% pure needle-point LSD all the time - as much as we'd like to hope we are.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5423384 - 03/20/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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And, digging up some more info
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A few years ago I had the opportunity to talk with two very seasoned LSD chemists with over twenty years experience. I asked about the difference between speedy" or "harsh" LSD compared to "clean" LSD and this is what they told me (please excuse me if this does not make total sense, I am not a chemist or doctor).
They told me that if a batch of LSD is not sufficiently purified then there could be trace amounts of LSA or other LSD-type analogues that will act as vassopressers, increase blood pressure, and cause the subject to fell agitated. I do not know exactly which substances these would be, but they assured me that this was the case with most homebrew LSD. They went on to say that for proper LSD synthesis the chemist should dissolve and recrystalize the LSD four seperate times to successfully remove all adulterants or impurities left over from the initial synthesis. LSD that has undergone this four-step process is commonly called Quad-Sep and is MARKEDLY different that simple LSD that has only been through the purification process once.
To test this theory specially trained psych-analysts were asked to try the "before quad-sep" and "after quad-sep" samples of the same batch of LSD. The analyst findings seemed to corroborate the assertion that QuadSep is cleaner and more like the way LSD should be. The un-quad-sep batch was reported to have that typically wringy LSD edge that one associates with "bad acid" while the same batch that had been through the quad-sep process was reported to be ultra-clean and was often referred to as "the best acid ever". Since subject were aware of the study and the processes involved the set and setting could have had something to do with their perceptions, but participants in the quad-sep study have since come across the two different "types" of LSD in different settings and have had no trouble telling which was "clean" and which was "dirty".
Also, when it was explained to me the chemists I was speaking with could name two or three adulterants that were the potential cause of the vassopressive side effects (which include tingling in the extremeties, back pain, trisma, a speedy or edgy feeling, etc), but I have since forgotton exactly that they are and will have to dig up notes from a couple years ago to recall them. In short though, Quad-Sep is the way to go.
James
Although, another person followed up to that post saying that the lack of a double-blind test invalidates, as as they knew which ones were pre-quad and post-quad wash - and their subjectivity on knowing which one was supposde to be better or not may of influenced their trips.
*shrug*, still a point to ponder regardless.
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: kaniz]
#5423457 - 03/20/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So true, and thanks for the new link. Your previous post was perhapse more useful that all our previous posts combined. Im glad you found that quote. Im still looking for leary's quote about the subject. He has a really negative point of view on the synth of lsd ever after the 80's.
Im not bragging, but just to show where im coming from. I think Ive had around 16 different batches. The best in order as far as the purity we have described: Blue gels, purple gels, honey colored gels, liquid dropped onto sweet tarts, white unperfed,,,,Then there is the good inbetween acid and some of them were more potent than any of the above geltabs, included: many types of printed perfed blotters, a few white perfed/unperfed,,,,,the low end included: giant red plyable gel-tabs(they should be crisp not plyable), normal sized green plyable gel tabs, and a few white unperfed types that were not RC's but were really weak and impure. The worst acid I have ever had was actually liquid dropped onto suger cubes,(dropped twice). Even those were LSD to some extent. The only ones I ever Knew were RC's were the red plyable gels, and some liquid dropped onto my tongue at some dead show. Go figure they were pretty damn potent but they certainly were not lsd, or had less lsd than some other substance. You would be surprized by how much Crap can fit into a super thick geltab.
SO basically, you cant know what the hell your getting, even if the dealer says its really pure and potent. If you know a dealer who knows a chemist, even then you dont know how pure it really is. It might be damn good regardless, but it might not be 100% clean and pure.
Edited by stemmer (03/20/06 09:39 PM)
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Re: WTF is "clean" acid supose to mean? [Re: stemmer]
#5423889 - 03/20/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow stemmer. again thanks for the input, this is exactly what i was looking for.
-------------------- "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to also." Mitch Hedburg "Keep on dreamin', cuz when you stop dreamin' it's time to die" Blind Melon
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