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Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database
    #5419792 - 03/19/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so recently I was working with some data operations with my GPS/Google Earth. Suddenly, it struck me how simple, and easy to store and manipulate this data was.

So I got to thinking how cool it was to be able to store and share this type of information. Then I got to thinking how it would be really nice to be able to have geographical information about where to pick various mushrooms. Psilocybe especially for me... but really... any kinds of mushrooms.

The data required to maintain such a database would not be of any greater scope than much of the other information on this site... and the tools required to view it are free and easily available. (Google Earth, for example!)

So far there are no legal obstacles I can think of. An information database of this type would be scientifically useful, and probably appreciated by many, especially those who wished to study foreign species.

I'm willing to put in work to help out... although as of yet I'm not the world's greatest hunter  :crazy:

I suggest we do it.

We could go with a data structure as simple as...

{Global Position}
{Accuracy of position (mushrooms found within X kilometers of this GP)}
{Notes about mushrooms}
{Pictures of mushrooms}

And we could have mapping-software specific files representing the total compiled data. (it would be cool to have a topographical map with shaded regions to represent expected mushroom densities!)


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5419813 - 03/19/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I like it. Would give me an excuse to pick up some equipment and an excuse to be mushroom hunting.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5419941 - 03/19/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im not really sure how willing people will be to give up their favorite spots. not to mention how this information will end up in the wrong hands (LEO) who will stake out these locations.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5420355 - 03/19/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I can see a problem with that.. I mean nothing is wrong with documenting lists of locations where you found your edible/gourmet species, but actives.. that could be somewhat of a problem. you can get a pretty good idea as to what state or city (as well as date) that people are finding stuff in just by searching this forum. It is more broad and less specific.. but nothing too specific is revealed anyways.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: eris]
    #5420534 - 03/19/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It might give the government the reason they've been searching for to harass this site(and i'll bet money they have been).


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: Purple_spore]
    #5420606 - 03/19/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In a perfect would this would be great. I love grand conspiracies, especially when the results expand knowledge, however lets face it? we are people who inhabit a rather esoteric criminal underworld. As ridiculous as this sounds it happens to be true. And if there is one thing America has it is a rapacious appetite for putting people like us in cages. Preposterous as it may be, invisibility is a prudent if not obligatory responsibility we must bear.

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But wow mango... it would be totally awesome... if only such an endeavor were to be implemented by more legitimate organizations like NAMA and or a coalition of universities.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: georgeM]
    #5420611 - 03/19/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That would be sweeet. I'd be glad to help in any way I could.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: SleepAid]
    #5420713 - 03/19/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd be glad to contribute, just awaiting permission of shroomery admin?


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: indica]
    #5420985 - 03/20/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The study should downplay the active mushrooms, and put gourmets and edibles at the forefront of the project.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5421481 - 03/20/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well this is already a service which I provided for actives along with my colleague Dr. Gast?n Guzm?n and Jochen Gartz.

These lists of actives are published already in scientific journals and magazines such as Psychedelic Illuminations. The papers are both here and with links to similar papers by me on the Worldwide Distribution of the Known Species of the Neurotropic Fungi and in the article Mapping the Mycelial Network which provideds a state by state location of known species and also lists the species in each Canadien Province.

, The second larger over 100 pae paper lists the known species of countries, states and sialnd groups and the known species found there.

Now this only lists the hallucnogenic fungi and only fungi documented with herbarium specimens of known species.

Here are two maps of this documentation by us. And as I noted above, these lists provide every known species except for about 20 more species not listed and currently inn study for Guzm?n's new revision of the genus Psilocybe (144) species in that genera are now known to be psychoactive.


The lists also include the other families of mushrooms knwon to contain psilocin and psilocybine, already published.

World distribution of the hallucinogenic Psilocybe. Each dot means one of several localities. Note the high concentration of dots in Mexico, South America, and Europe; Latin America has the highest number of species, with more than 50, vs. Europe, Canada, and the US, which have no more than 20 species.



Here is an image of the distribution of the hallucinogenic species of Psilocybe in Mexico. Note that the great majority of localities are on the line of the 1000 m of altitude in slopes of both Gulf of mexico and Pacific ocean. Those localities with an arrow, a cross, and a triangle are in coniferous forests of high mountains, tropical meadows, and tropical rain forests, respectively. The locality with a point is an isolated one of the 1000 m altitude region. The discontinous lines show the political division in states of the country.



Your idea was cool, but you should consider making a distribution list of edibles and or edibles and toxic shrooms.

Good luck, mj


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5421772 - 03/20/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Are those the only maps you guys have as of current?
They look nice, but I was hoping for something a little more 'modern'/adaptive as well as something that was open to contribution from the general public.

If we used data formatted to google earth we would be able to point out a mushroom patch down to a few meters of accuracy- or leave it as ambiguous as within a few kilometers if we were worried about our patches.

As far as I am aware, even if picking psilocybe is illegal in some places, knowing where to find it is not. And while cops would theoretically be able to stake out wild mushrooms... this seems like a futile effort. I would be surprised if any authorities were actually dumb enough to spend money on that sort of endeavour.

I would love to hear opinions from some admins!


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5421926 - 03/20/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Giving actual locations is not allowed on these boards, nor on any drug boards or mushroom boards. That is strickly forbidden. And for good reasons. And, while you think that cops would not stake out a location shows just how dangerous it would be to provide locations down to a few meters and that is an idiotic thought to began with.

80 people busted picking in West Virgina after police staked out a known location for Psilocybe caerulipes.

Police have done this in Florida and In Hawaii. And ev en here in the PNW, most pickers are generally told to dump their bags and beat it and not come back again. Fair warning when you could probably be busted for doing so if the cops here wanted to. Names are generally written down and/or recorded by the cops on little notepads in their pockets.
And police here have also waited for shroomers in fields to ticket them for trespassing.

And as for the demographic locations posted above, those are in a current issue of the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms published in 2005, so they are current maps.

An example of what locations can be mentioned, in Seattle for instance, Green Lake, the arborentum, Any local parks, streets and adresses, as well as shopping centers are a no-no and if someone were to post such they would be deleted, etc. The areas mentioned in this post such as Green Lake, etc., are areas that are miles long and very wide, so no exact location is given.

However, the nice thing is if that you read those two papers I noted above, they give references for the botanical and mycological descriptions of species and in those papers, if you were to go to university library and look them up, give a more specific location as to where many of the species noted in such collections were collected from.

That information you cannot really find on google.

Of course, all such information is on my cd-rom, "Teonan?catl: A Bibliography of Entheogenic Mushrooms by John W. Allen, and Jochen Gartz, Ph.D.

And have a shroomy day,

One last thing I would like to point out is that many people
posting here believe they have found a magic mushroom because someone else said it was an active species or because they believe it looks like one they saw oin the internet or in a field guide have been wrong on many ocassions. They also report magic shrooms from where they do not grow or are impossible to grow at the locations described Many of those people post such misinformation here at the Shroomery and elsewhere. And many often misidentify species as something else.

We have people here at the shroomery, many people misidentifying shrooms all the time, Galerina Autumnalis (a deadly toxic species) as Psilocybe cyanescens, and many times frm people who id mushrooms in states where they do not grow. People often, in the spring, identified mycenas psathyrellas, coprinus and other mushrooms as liberty caps. When they are not, or do not grow in the spring months and also in areas where they really do not grow at all.

Without factual recorded data with herbatrium deposits to verify that they are there, such a list would be dangerous to the new shroomer looking for something active and being poisoned because someone listed something not identifiable from such areas.
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A good example is that every year I show images of Galerina autumnalis to people I meet and soem of them tell me they ate those and had a good trip. I would hate to be someone who is given such shrooms as somethign else because they were on a list of actives species from who knows where.

Just a thought of consideration about this matter.

mj


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5421965 - 03/20/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

giving locations down to the Km is probably still a bit specific.  how about a database or an upgrade to the locations section of the hunting forum;  which lists Major cities/larger towns that are known to have certain species of mushrooms.

It will most likely be a lot of repeating.  but if done completely, you would really have an idea as to what areas to hunt and what your target species is for that specific hunt, if you have one.

It would be a lot of work gathering all that.  But hey, lots of people have put in a lot of hard hours into this hobby, and many more will in the future. 

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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #5442072 - 03/25/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, all. Google Earth is awesome, but I agree with most of the previous posters (I believe) that posting locations for actives through that resource (even at 1km accuracy) is a bad idea.

The previous idea, though: for example a list of Counties within a state with the known species. That would seem to be workable and general enough that it would be unlikely to "tip off" any Law Enforcement Agencies and would not encourage the unwitting consumption of poisonous lookalikes.

My 2 cents worth, anyways.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: BobHumboldt]
    #5442183 - 03/25/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"The study should downplay the active mushrooms, and put gourmets and edibles at the forefront of the project."

Why don't we do that^ and say stuff like "Warning! The following mushrooms are mushrooms that cause dangerous hallucinations and should not be ingested!" regarding actives so it seems that we in no way condone searching for these mushrooms and we can still post that kind of information (places, description etc.) to 'make sure they watch out for these kind of mushrooms'.

I too would be willing to give all my information that I've gathered from all the field guides and other sources I have found.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: LaughingGym]
    #5442661 - 03/25/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I love the idea of putting together such a database. Obviously, it can't include exact GPS locations - you shouldn't expect people to report their favorite patches to the whole world. But a database giving the identification to species, general locality, and date would be a great boost to science, not to mention general mushrooming.

Putting together an online database that users can input information into, and have that information condensed into a searchable database - that's not any easy thing. I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to begin. But if anybody knows how to do this, creating this kind of web-based database would be great.

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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5452878 - 03/28/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
And, while you think that cops would not stake out a location shows just how dangerous it would be to provide locations down to a few meters and that is an idiotic thought to began with.





Fuck you.

Who are you to judge the idea to be idiotic?

I can see my car on Google Earth. The technology is here.

There are more mushrooms than cops.

Mushrooms growing on the ground are not illegal. They are just mushrooms growing on the ground.

Don't be so closed minded. Try and pretend you live in a free country for a minute or two.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5453021 - 03/28/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Fuck you :mad2:..................I can see my car on Google Earth.The technology is here.




.....so can the cops.........the technology is here......


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Mushrooms growing on the ground are not illegal.




.....but the chemicals in them are.....and once they are no longer ON the ground but ON you.....possession.....and its now illegal to posess spores of these mushrooms in several states(including Calif.) despite no regulated chemicals present inside.....


Quote:

They are just mushrooms growing on the ground.





....tell it to the judge.....  :goodluck:


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    #5453696 - 03/28/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I love shrooms.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: indica]
    #5453948 - 03/29/06 03:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes, though something like this would be good, i think it would be good in another world where mycology is much more respected. if you think about it you have a community here of people who know their shit, and i think in stead of risking anyone getting mad or any legal action to set up some easy to use map thingy, you should just start relationships with people on the board...learn from them and their hunting, read up on worldwide species finds, and post your findings. strengthen this community that already exists to help people become more knowledgeable about the subject. it was a very nice idea, but i don't think it holds any practicality as of now.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5454713 - 03/29/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Excuses meeee! Mr. Explosive Mango.

Not sure whetrher you are aware or not but it is even illegal in many communites to pick even edible mushrooms from public places (parks, etc) such as the law in California. I just posted that info here abot the recent shroom busts in San Francisco of edble shroom pickers beingf arrested for picking in public places. Posted her ein this very. Buit am reposting it here for you to read Me. Mango.

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Police! Drop That Fungus!

Picking mushrooms in East Bay parks is a crime, but the chanterelle snatchers think that's ridiculous.

By Leonie Sherman

Article Published Mar 22, 2006


Mushroom harvesting
East Bay Regional Parks District
News Category: Business

They're out there carrying field guides and baskets, lurking in the parks and open land of the East Bay hills and flinching every time they hear a car roll by. They're poaching wild mushrooms from public land, and a crew of armed officers is hunting for them.
The officers and their prey are locked in a thorny battle over the uses of public land and the environmental impacts of mushroom harvesting. The chanterelle pickers call their hobby a right; the officers who bust them call it a crime. Biologists tend to side with the thieves, but they're not making the rules. Meanwhile, rumors fly that the rangers hunt fungi themselves or eat the confiscated mushrooms back at the station, and law-abiding citizens wonder where they can gather wild food without risking a hefty fine. Where's a hungry, modern-day hunter-gatherer to turn for sustenance?
Not the East Bay Hills, apparently.
The East Bay Regional Parks District and East Bay Municipal Utility District each employ a phalanx of rangers whose duties include educating the public and protecting their respective agencies' lands, which together cover an area about one-fifth the size of Rhode Island. The rangers can call in mushroom offenses to the 72 gun-toting Park District officers, who are authorized to issue citations.
"We know all the best spots from busting people," said utility district Ranger Naturalist Joe Scornaienchi. "It's just standard practice, you can't take any plants, animals or anything."
The park cops take their responsibility seriously. "Looking for mushroom hunters is part of the routine patrol," said watch commander Lt. Wayne Morimoto. "We prioritize issues that relate to public safety or theft or vandalism."
Mushroom hunters don't see their hobby like that. "All that land, East Bay MUD, East Bay Regional Parks, even UC Berkeley land, that's our land," said Charlie Hallowell, chef and owner of Oakland's Pizzaiolo restaurant. "That's public land, right? That's what I'm paying taxes for, right? Part of the natural bounty that exists here is these wonderful mushrooms. There's a reason they're so delicious. They want us to eat them!" Chanterelles are a standard topping on Hallowell's gourmet organic pizzas and he is an avid mushroom hunter.
"It's horrible," agrees Mark Lockaby, two-time vice president and president of the Mycological Society of San Francisco, the country's largest collection of mushroom maniacs. "We're the laughing joke of the world. People have always foraged for food. Everywhere in the world people do this, most places in the country too. California is the only place in the country with such strict regulations. Some Scandinavian countries allow you to hunt for mushrooms and berries on all lands, public and private. It's actually a constitutional right."
The Alaska state constitution guarantees subsistence rights on all public land ? state residents can catch fish, hunt game, pick berries, and look for wild mushrooms ? but there are no such rights here. Although enforcement is executed by just one agency, East Bay Regional Parks District land ranges over twelve different court jurisdictions, and the amount of the fine is at the discretion of individual judges. The most lenient have been known to drop all charges, while the strictest have upheld fines as stiff as $675.
Mike Boom, another former president of the Mycological Society, thinks there's additional danger in these regulations. "If there are laws people think are ridiculous, then they start disrespecting other laws as well," he notes.
In the early 1990s, the Mycological Society staged a rebellion, appealing to state parks officials to allow some mushroom hunting, or to open up other land to the activity. The society achieved a small victory with the decision to allow mushroom hunting up to five pounds per person per day in three California State Parks. Two are in Marin County ? Samuel P. Taylor and Tomales Bay State Parks ? and the third is Salt Point State Park in Mendocino County. National Forests, where permits are free, are the state's best bets for mushroom gathering. However, desperate urban foragers have been known to turn to city parks, median strips, and other city land where there are no official regulations yet.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-03-22/news/cityside.html

East bay Express, Saturday March 23, 2006


Itr is illegal in most public parks to puick flowers, fruits, berries and mushrooms, and that includes edible shrooms.


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Re: Proposed Community Project: Geographical Database [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5454912 - 03/29/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

MJ is right about this, and here's another article from Southern Califonia of people getting bustyed for pickin chanterelles on privat property, and, the had GPS satellite devices with them to record where their spots were >>>

direct link > http://www.thedesertsun.com/apps/pbcs.dl...mplate=printart



There's an (expensive) fungus among us
Mushroom trade grows in dark places along Central Coast

An open box of chanterelle mushrooms (right) is seen at the Wholesale Produce Market in downtown Los Angeles. The relative rarity, combined with Americans' increasing interest in fine cuisine in general and mushrooms in particular, makes chanterelles a valuable commodity for the Central Coast ranchers who find them growing at the base of trees and other locations on their land.

Nick Ut, The Associated Press
An open box of chanterelle mushrooms (right) is seen at the Wholesale Produce Market in downtown Los Angeles. The relative rarity, combined with Americans' increasing interest in fine cuisine in general and mushrooms in particular, makes chanterelles a valuable commodity for the Central Coast ranchers who find them growing at the base of trees and other locations on their land.

Jacob Adelman
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March 26, 2006
LOS ANGELES - Doug Stenger pulled the lid from a small cardboard box of chanterelle mushrooms in the chilly storage room of a shop at the Wholesale Produce Market on the edge of downtown.

Inside was a jumble of the knotted, fleshy lumps that command nearly $20 a pound from restaurants and upscale markets this time of year.

"Of all the exotic wild mushrooms, these are probably the ones people want the most," said Stenger, an employee at produce wholesaler Davalan Sales.

Growers have found ways to cultivate some popular wild mushrooms such as morels and hen-of-the-woods. But not chanterelles. The fungus favored by gastronomes for its meaty texture and fruity flavor only grows in the wild, and at certain times of the year.

The rarity - combined with Americans' increasing interest in fine cuisine in general and exotic mushrooms in particular - makes chanterelles a valuable commodity for the Central Coast ranchers who find them growing at the base of oak trees.

But the enterprise has also caught the eye of an unusual breed of rustlers who target the mushrooms on midnight missions and sometimes use high-tech devices to keep track of their whereabouts.

"It's been a big issue," Santa Barbara County sheriff's Lt. George Gingras said. "Some of those ranchers and farmers count on those chanterelles as a source of income."

In February, three men were arrested near Lompoc for investigation of trespassing on private land to pick mushrooms.

Deputies seized several thousand dollars worth of chanterelles from a hotel room where some of the men were staying, Gingras said. Ledgers detailing more than $10,000 in sales of mushrooms were found in the car of one suspect, according to a sheriff's report.

Officials believe the men, based in the Pacific Northwest, used global positioning devices to record locations of chanterelle patches.

"They'd make a harvest, click in the GPS coordinates, and then they'd come back next year," Gingras said.

Ranchers told authorities they had seen the men each year between November and April, when damp, woody areas were bursting with chanterelles.

Mushroom theft in the United States is rare but not unheard of. A group of pickers in Oregon were fined in 2002 for foraging on U.S. Forest Service property without a permit.

Pickers have also been busted for possession of hallucinogenic mushrooms harvested from farms and ranches in Louisiana and Florida.

The men arrested in Santa Barbara County are scheduled to be arraigned on March 28 on charges of theft and trespassing. They are suspected of hitting ranches and forests along the West Coast, moving north to Oregon and Washington in the spring when mushrooms fruit there, Gingras said.

Bill Giorgi, a cattle rancher in Buellton, said chanterelles are plentiful on his property. Yet he didn't realize the value until pickers first invaded his ranch in the 1980s. He's been picking and selling the mushrooms ever since.

He even has deals with his neighbors to harvest chanterelles on their farms and share the profits.

Sales of chanterelles and other wild mushrooms are not tracked by the much larger cultivated mushroom industry. But the demand for cultivated specialty varieties such as shiitake and oyster mushrooms jumped more than 26 percent, to more than 15 million pounds a year, between 2002 and 2005, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

"Anything with a mushroom sells," said chef Brett Macras, who keeps in-season chanterelles on the menu at Campanile, a popular Los Angeles restaurant. "Our customers are always looking for something new."

Macras usually buys his chanterelles from a mushroom broker but sometimes goes directly to an elderly man in Santa Barbara County he calls "The Mushroom Hunter." The chef has paid as much as $16 for a pound of the mushrooms.

Mushroom brokers who serve produce wholesalers and restaurants pay Giorgi about $5 a pound for his chanterelles.

That figure might seem low, considering the mushrooms can retail for more than four times that amount. But Giorgi doesn't invest any time or labor to grow the crop, and experts say it's not unusual in some years to find 10 pounds of chanterelles under a single oak.

Giorgi won't say where the mushrooms grow or who buys from him. He said it's information that could help p


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    #5454926 - 03/29/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sorry, the last sentince got cut out > Giorgi won't say where the mushrooms grow or who buys from him. He said it's information that could help poachers find his mushroom patches.


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    #5458256 - 03/30/06 05:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Mushrooms growing on the ground are not illegal.




.....but the chemicals in them are.....and once they are no longer ON the ground but ON you.....possession.....and its now illegal to posess spores of these mushrooms in several states(including Calif.) despite no regulated chemicals present inside.....


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They are just mushrooms growing on the ground.





....tell it to the judge.....  :goodluck:




You don't get it man. The database would not FORCE YOU to break the law... Who are the chemicals in the mushrooms illegal to before they're picked? The ground? Are the cops going to arrest the ground?

This project is about establishing a strong (well, an even stronger) information backbone about something we should have every right to know about. It's amazing how many people let their fear get in the way of progress...

In my view if this became an issue with 'the cops' it would be a good thing... another chance to let an ignorant society learn how it really is, maybe even start down the road to correcting their unjust laws...


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